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fishmech posted:So you don't live in a city with a very strong "pedestrian culture". The two are not mutually exclusive, pal.
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http://www.latimes.com/travel/deals/la-tr-worst-drivers-20170627-htmlstory.html?23 I wonder how much of this is down to infrastructure, how much is down to "driving culture" or poor training, and how much is down to poor enforcement.
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The report doesn't divide collision rate by miles driven or time spent driving? Allstate should have that information. Why else would insurance companies charge different rates by zip code and ask for odometer readings? CopperHound fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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CopperHound posted:The report doesn't divide collision rate by miles driven or time spent driving? Because this makes for easy headlines for editors viral that are willing to publish "articles" that are actually just clickbait ads.
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pkells posted:That's really cool. Do you know if they've had any issues with it yet? there's one in Salisbury NC that I stumbled across not long after it was built, they are fully awesome.
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A few things about right on red. First of all, it's awesome and I'm sad it isn't a thing in the EU. At least some places in Ukraine and Russia have it, so there is hope. If introduced here, at least, it wouldn't make any difference to pedestrians. Very frequently you'll take off at an intersection at above-grandma pace to make a turn on green, only to find pedestrians in the middle of the street. You stop either way, but then you have to find their traffic light to see whether you can be mad at them or not. Simply, the pedestrians can also have a green light to cross when your light to go straight (parallel to them) or turn goes green. I actually kind of hate it, if it's green, it should be safe to go. Here's an intersection that would be greatly improved with right on red:  See that right turn? If there's more than one car turning right, they'll block the lane going straight. Meanwhile it's red all the time while the cross traffic is green for no loving reason, because there's only one lane coming in from the left, but the road on the right is two lanes. Easy solution: just turn off that light and everyone would just go by the yield sign. But nope.  It's also almost impossible to make a left here, because the traffic coming from the opposite direction is heavy enough that only one car gets to legally make a left per cycle. What this causes is more people making a left from the second lane while the car in the left lane is yielding. Once the traffic is clear, they both take off, causing endless hilarity. Ok and last one, since I get to observe this from my office window. Going South-North, there's one left-turn lane, and one straight/right lane. What I see happen here all the time is people getting into the left-only lane and then when the light to go straight turns green, race the other vehicle to merge back before the intersection. I was really quite shocked by how often this happens, because I almost never saw this behavior elsewhere.
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mobby_6kl posted:A few things about right on red. First of all, it's awesome and I'm sad it isn't a thing in the EU. At least some places in Ukraine and Russia have it, so there is hope. If introduced here, at least, it wouldn't make any difference to pedestrians. Very frequently you'll take off at an intersection at above-grandma pace to make a turn on green, only to find pedestrians in the middle of the street. You stop either way, but then you have to find their traffic light to see whether you can be mad at them or not. Simply, the pedestrians can also have a green light to cross when your light to go straight (parallel to them) or turn goes green. I actually kind of hate it, if it's green, it should be safe to go. It sounds like that intersection would be better served by a dedicated left turn cycle, though that would slow down down the already heavy cross traffic. The Right on Red issue seems like it is a bit of a side element to all of that, but it would violate the principle of, "If it's green, it's safe to go" because cross-traffic has to slow down and watch for cars failing to yield. Or realistically they don't slow down, collision statistics go up, and the local government has to assume the increased costs of servicing all that. Pedestrian and cyclist usage probably takes a hit from all the conflict, but I don't know if that's the primary impact. Maybe it would be worth it to lengthen the slip-lane, it depends on the level of congestion.
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mobby_6kl posted:A few things about right on red. First of all, it's awesome and I'm sad it isn't a thing in the EU. At least some places in Ukraine and Russia have it, so there is hope. Wait I really don't understand this. Why is there both a yield sign AND a traffic light on the same thing? Does the light get turned off on a regular basis and then the Yield takes priority, or did someone just throw in some extra Yield signs?
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CopperHound posted:The report doesn't divide collision rate by miles driven or time spent driving? I insure though an allstate company (branded as something else that provides higher cover) and they only started asking about odo when I revised both my car milages frim the normal 12000 to 5000 as I barely drive. I don't think they have those numbers.
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fishmech posted:Wait I really don't understand this. Why is there both a yield sign AND a traffic light on the same thing? Does the light get turned off on a regular basis and then the Yield takes priority, or did someone just throw in some extra Yield signs? I dont think this one gets turned off regularly, but some do, for example late at night. Whenever it's not working you're supposed to follow the Yield sign as a fallback. The other direction has priority.
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In the UK, we do not have left-on-red (the left hand driving equivalent) although we do have things like this, left-hand slip lanes with a light controlled pedestrian crossing followed by a give way (yield). Works well for throughput while catering for small pedestrian flows, but as a pedestrian it's pretty annoying as it's one more road to cross. Also it's not such a common pattern that people know exactly what to do, so you need a bit of space to allow drivers to notice that the two elements are separate.
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Jonnty posted:In the UK, we do not have left-on-red (the left hand driving equivalent) although we do have things like this, left-hand slip lanes with a light controlled pedestrian crossing followed by a give way (yield). Works well for throughput while catering for small pedestrian flows, but as a pedestrian it's pretty annoying as it's one more road to cross. Also it's not such a common pattern that people know exactly what to do, so you need a bit of space to allow drivers to notice that the two elements are separate. We have things similar to this - typically without the pedestrian signal. Which makes them much less ped-friendly, since now the peds have to look out for free-flow traffic (although the free-flow traffic is supposed to yield to the pedestrian). We actually try to actively remove the free-flow rights in areas with pedestrians as a safety measure, and turn them into conventional right-turn on red (or with arrow signal). I don't think we have many locations where a free-flow right turn is also controlled by a signal to give priority for pedestrians, for a couple reasons: 1. Poor operations for pedestrians - if you have to wait for a walk signal to cross the lane, you're adding two extra phases to an intersection crossing, leading to poor compliance. 2. Driver expectation of seeing a green signal, then having to yield - this would violate the norm that having a green means you can go. I'm not deep in on the MUTCD, but I would guess that this would violate it, or be very non-standard
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https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2017/07/us-transportation-funding-is-not-created-equal/534327/ Interesting little map on how states pay for roads.
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That’s neat. If you want an even more local breakdown, I’m currently preparing to give a presentation on our department and one of the topics I’m touching is our 5-year CIP and how we actually pay for roads and poo poo. Here’s a breakdown for our next 5 years budget which is around $30 million dollars with almost half of it coming from grants we apply using street levy funds (thank gently caress the city got this to pass) as matching dollars.
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I love to know more about transport funding, I guess from that map it's quite regional specific. My general assumptions are (for my city in canada) -Most streets are built and maintained directly by the city, paid for out of the city's funds which mostly come from property taxes. -Official highways are technically owned by the province, but in cities they just give money to the city to maintain but they can be a huge pain to deal with if you want to do any changes, for instance you have a bike lane project or BRT or want to add some crosswalks or something. -More suburban projects like a new overpass or improving barriers on the highway is once again funded provincially, but maybe sometimes the local city or developers puts in some money to help get it done faster or more to their needs? -Transit? gently caress I don't know. Some money comes locally from city taxes, but some also comes from the province via a share of gas taxes, maybe some other provincial funding? Anyone know better? Oh here's some stuff from my city  -So taxation is only about 60% of the city's income, 90% of that being plain old property tax. -User fees are things like people paying fees for water, garbage collection, sewer, and development permits. -Cost Recoveries and Sundries are an odd one. It's money transferred from neighbouring cities to pay for their share of joint services like our amalgamated police. Sundries is the real interesting one though, it's more business-like income the city makes on investments and income from things it owns like the convention centre, parking fees, rents and leases in city-owned buildings. This is a surprisingly large chunk to me. Now here's the spending, which I get, these are just the yearly costs for running/maintaining the city.  But then there's capital outlays here, which is of course money spent on building new things or replace existing things, which will then need money from the previous budget to maintain in the future.  I assume spending on road upkeep and such would fall under engineering and public works, which is only 8% of the budget. It's harder to get a more detailed breakdown on exist costs, but the top spending items on that seem to be a project to replace all streetlights with LED's, more crosswalks, improved intersections, things like that. What I'm really curious about is, on a dollar level, how much does say each lane km of street cost the city on average a year to maintain? Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Baronjutter posted:https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2017/07/us-transportation-funding-is-not-created-equal/534327/
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Random fact that link reminded me of: It makes sense that Texas has the most state roads in the country, but no one would guess that North Carolina is #2. Why? Because there's no county roads. All roads are either municipal or state-maintained.
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cheese-cube posted:Over a year ago now they started allowing LTOR (Left Turn On Red, because we drive on the left) at intersections with traffic signals in Perth, Western Australia. In the beginning people who weren't paying attention whilst crossing (Read: staring at their loving phones) did freak out when they looked up and saw a car moving towards them however AFAIK there were now major accidents. Pedestrians have right-of-way as long as the crossing light is green so no one really cares anymore. Oh, thats interesting. I might have a look on Austroads to read up a report on it, there is bound to be something there.
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Gah! I get so frustrated with half assed counterproductive 'improvements': At this intersection the cross traffic has a green all the time unless the light gets triggered, but there is no sensor in the nice wide bike lane that they painted. To make things worse, traffic coming from the opposite direction will not trigger a green on this side.
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CopperHound posted:Gah! I get so frustrated with half assed counterproductive 'improvements': These are the worst. We've got this exact situation a half-block from the central station in Stockholm.
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http://pdovak.com/projects/#/city-transit/ These are some cool transit vehicle posters.
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Baronjutter posted:http://pdovak.com/projects/#/city-transit/ These are really cool! Thanks for sharing them.
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What goes into traffic planning for large events like concerts and games and who's responsible? Is it the venue's responsibility?
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i imagine its a combo of hiring cops and a bunch of studies that show the venue will not appreciably increase traffic or cause issues, no really!!
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mamosodiumku posted:What goes into traffic planning for large events like concerts and games and who's responsible? Is it the venue's responsibility? Stadiums and the like usually have that figured out before you build them and tweaked some later. They don't make folks grab a transportation consultant every time they do something unless it's extraordinary.
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Eskaton posted:Stadiums and the like usually have that figured out before you build them and tweaked some later. They don't make folks grab a transportation consultant every time they do something unless it's extraordinary. Maybe, but over here there's a case where they couldn't have possibly predicted that seemingly half the country's population goes to the same Ikea every Easter monday and on some similar dates.
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Baronjutter posted:http://pdovak.com/projects/#/city-transit/ I guess that's a testament to how well simple branding/color schemes work.
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Calgary is opening up Canada's first Diverging Diamond Interchange! I literally only know of it because if this thread and it got me really excited to see one finally come to my backyard. https://www.google.ca/amp/calgaryhe...-162-avenue/amp
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I loving hate the people who lived in the 80s. So, our local state college has hosed up parking and always has had hosed parking. It is just outside of reasonable walking distance from light rail. Why? quote:Sacramento was building a light-rail line at about that time, and considered bringing it onto campus. But school officials were against it. They thought it would bring “an undesirable element to campus,” according to a university memo from back then. http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/transportation/back-seat-driver/article172469866.html#storylink=hpdigest
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the undesirable element is black people I don't know if this is still the case, but Salford University in the UK used to have the opposite system. It is (or was, this was years ago) in a pretty poor area, and there's a huge fence around the whole place. There's a train station on campus which lets you get from the centre to the university without having to set foot in the surrounding area.
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This was the argument against the light rail built between Camden and Trenton. People from Camden would take the light rail to the rich suburbs, rob them, then take the light rail back. Weirdly, they could already do this with cars, but a little tram with a predictable schedule and no way to hide the loot you're limited to carrying in your hands would make it worse because ??? Of course Camden is basically in terminal decline, so ultimately nothing matters, but I'm looking forward to Fishmech writing a thesis about this particular topic.
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The Camden to Trenton line is where we had someone whose house abutted the tracks, which had continuous freight service for nearly 170 years at that point in time, and complained that if light rail were to run on it too then her kids wouldn't be able to play on the tracks as they apparently did. Which was extra bizarre because before the light rail service came in, the freights ran multiple times a day through the daylight hours on some days and never less than once a day in daylight hours on the others, with rather little consistency from the average person's perspective (though they would arrive to the terminals on time, the schedule of shipments to pick up along the line would vary) If anything the fairly consistent schedule of the light rail taking over for 6 AM - 10 PM every day and the freights being restricted to running overnight made her horrible parenting plan of "let kids play on active railroad tracks" safer.
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CopperHound posted:Gah! I get so frustrated with half assed counterproductive 'improvements': A bit late, but sucks to be you: https://goo.gl/maps/YCUrzF4FFU82 (That bike lane isn't the greatest, and honestly doesn't see much use, but at least they got the intersection right -- notice the rectangular, bike-sized sensor loop.)
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nm posted:I loving hate the people who lived in the 80s. Yeah we have the opposite problem -- the university really wants a rapid transit line connecting to it, along a transit corridor that is currently the busiest bus corridor in North America (over 55K riders/day on average). The road coming into the university, along which this bus runs, seems to need asphalt replacement pretty much every 2-3 years. For reference, the university has a daytime population of more than 100K people, and students all get a "u-pass" (a heavily-discounted, group-purchased all-zone transit pass). So students come from all over the city and suburbs to get to the university, and this bus route is one of the major connectors to the metro system. After enormous political wrangling, there's finally the will to build an extension to the existing metro system, but only halfway to the university, with buses continuing to run the rest of the way. The city's current 10-year plan doesn't even mention going all the way, and the transit authority think there's "probably a good chance" that rail will eventually reach the university, they just have no idea when. https://www.ubyssey.ca/news/official-plan-announced-for-skytrain-extension-to-arbutus/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_B-Line https://www.straight.com/news/857051/translink-says-no-plans-millennium-line-ubc-yet-public-consultations-begin-next-week
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Yeah we have the opposite problem -- the university really wants a rapid transit line connecting to it, along a transit corridor that is currently the busiest bus corridor in North America (over 55K riders/day on average). The road coming into the university, along which this bus runs, seems to need asphalt replacement pretty much every 2-3 years. For reference, the university has a daytime population of more than 100K people, and students all get a "u-pass" (a heavily-discounted, group-purchased all-zone transit pass). So students come from all over the city and suburbs to get to the university, and this bus route is one of the major connectors to the metro system. But if you raised property taxes a touch to pay for this it might pop the bubble and Ladner tear downs might not be worth over a million anymore.
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People were taking about extending the Yonge-University line up to York University over 25 years ago. It opens this December, having been delayed two years from the original timeline.
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Toronto-York subway line to open day after you graduate from York
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Hey I'm sorry if this is sort of a driveby or a repeat (gonna read this one today) I moved to WA, near Seattle. Wrongness 0-10 (if you) please? People are like, mean about this stuff here. Zipper merge good for saving hesitation time, bad during sparse traffic. You should merge smoothly on at the first available opportunity (e.g. don't panic fart swerve in the instant the line breaks just because you can either.) My issue is that I'm having very natural, smooth merges where I'm in the flow of traffic, traffic's speeding up, I can see another guy merge behind me: And then a dude rockets past (on the ramp! To your right! While 68 is turning into 75!) to the very end of the ramp, where they just force their way in by merging when/with the outside line, as if they're some kind of robot. Presumably to go post the RCW/ local city ordinance/law they've misinterpreted as reading that they should always use the whole on ramp. It's like, I can see how this could work. I am programming sci-fi flying cars. They zipper. Their brains also know nothing but whether they are an even or an odd tooth and some distances. Real humans can't do what they do. If it's a gridlocked queue, I wait until it's "my turn" unless someone just leaves such a large gap (screwing up the pattern) that it needs to be taken to stop any confusion. I feel simple PSA's on TV could greatly improve our situation in most big cities. It's not that people are assholes, we're just not on the same page. FantasticExtrusion fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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FantasticExtrusion posted:Hey I'm sorry if this is sort of a driveby or a repeat (gonna read this one today) I moved to WA, near Seattle. Wrongness 0-10 (if you) please? People are like, mean about this stuff here. Sir, this is a drive through, can I take your order?
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FantasticExtrusion posted:Hey I'm sorry if this is sort of a driveby or a repeat (gonna read this one today) I moved to WA, near Seattle. Wrongness 0-10 (if you) please? People are like, mean about this stuff here. I think, in that case, that person really is just an rear end in a top hat and no amount of PSAs or education will change that.
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