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euphronius posted:I mean do you want to go on for posts and posts about the nature of the talking eagles . If we take what we know about bald eagles and scale it up to a giant eagle, roughly how big would a big dump from the rear end of Gwaihir or Landroval be?
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extra stout posted:If we take what we know about bald eagles and scale it up to a giant eagle, roughly how big would a big dump from the rear end of Gwaihir or Landroval be?
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Nov 17, 2017 11:31
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My roommate calls me the windlord
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sassassin posted:Wow Bongo Bill really blowing all our minds with this one. Sometimes obvious things bear repeating.
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skasion posted:Alright, here we go. Big wall of text about Boorman's doomed LOTR script ahead, stitched together from a couple sources: Hey, thanks for posting this. I wonder if this script seemed as mad at the time as it does now...
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When did the new thread title come up? It's really good.
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PMush Perfect posted:When did the new thread title come up? It's really good. The Fault in Our Istari
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2CnLUSfWQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fRCXDsiKsA&t=37s
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Drug or Tolkien Elf?
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lol, "Elf. Nerdanel, wife of Feanor, is popular in "Silmarillion" fan fiction"
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Porque no los dos?
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Kriegshammer, bitch.
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Which part of the Silmarillion sounds most like a big fish story?
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PMush Perfect posted:Which part of the Silmarillion sounds most like a big fish story? Idk what this means but Melkor giving up his position as the most powerful angel so he can rule over/infuse into Arda is very 'big fish in small pond'
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A big fish story is the one that got away, a tall tale that grows in the telling and retelling.
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Jan 18, 2018 18:30
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Perhaps the prophecy that Huan will meet his death fighting the greatest wolf to ever live, and the succession of wolf candidates.
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I was going to say Fingolfin fighting Morgoth in single combat.
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War of Wrath easily. Sketchy as gently caress, who on earth is the source for this text? Can't be Earendil because he immediately fucks off to become a star after it happens. e: I picked up Arda Reconstructed lately and I've been meaning to go through it together with Sil & HoME to see if I can work towards an in-universe "documentary hypothesis" of the Sil that might explain a few quirks, like its persistent claim that Gil-galad was Fingon's rightful heir when the overall plot shows pretty openly that it was Turgon. skasion fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jan 18, 2018 |
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skasion posted:War of Wrath easily. Sketchy as gently caress, who on earth is the source for this text? Can't be Earendil because he immediately fucks off to become a star after it happens. Presumably Elrond. I mean, it would take real cheek to just make up stuff about Earendil if you were anybody else.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Presumably Elrond. I mean, it would take real cheek to just make up stuff about Earendil if you were anybody else. I think it's safe to say that Elrond is the compiler of the final texts that B.B. translated from the elvish, but I can't see him as being the primary source for this material given that he was probably no more than a toddler at the time, and surely was not anywhere near Earendil during the battle in any case.
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Bilbo probably talked to a lot of elves during his time in Rivendell, maybe he took what ol' loremaster Elrond told him and got some secondary, maybe primary, sources from other folk there? Do we know if any elf at Rivendell was alive during the first age? Glorfindel?
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There could have been tons of no name elves there who came from the west.
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Glorfindel is also a great potential candidate as a source because he died (forget when), went back to Mandos / valinor, then came.back to ME, so potentially conversed with the valar. Also Gandalf or the other Istari could theoretically be sources. Edit: looked it up, Glorfy died in the escape from Gondolin and returned in the second age as a sort of advance scout for the Istari. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jan 18, 2018 |
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my bony fealty posted:Bilbo probably talked to a lot of elves during his time in Rivendell, maybe he took what ol' loremaster Elrond told him and got some secondary, maybe primary, sources from other folk there? Maybe Galadriel came visiting one day, who knows.
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I'm gonna pretend that Tolkien intended to repurpose Ælfwine/Eriol and the Lost Tales story-telling framework into "here's how Bilbo learned all these elf myths" drink deeply of the limpë, Bilbo
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The thing is, unlike the Bragollach and Nirnaeth Arnoediad, the account of the War of Wrath is quite fragmentary and brief. It doesn’t even get its own chapter in the published Quenta but is appended to the Tale of Earendil. A lot more time is spent on what happened after the Battle was won than on the fighting itself. The narrator even mentions that the campaign of the Valar is poorly documented because the elves of Beleriand wound up having little enough to do with it — one rather gets the impression that the exile princes showed up too late to take much part. So I don’t think our source can be someone who got the Valar’s side of the story like Glorfindel. It may be that it’s just the story Elrond knew growing up. It spends the most detail on the aspects of the war that pertained to his father and his erstwhile guardians, Maglor and Maedhros.
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skasion posted:The thing is, unlike the Bragollach and Nirnaeth Arnoediad, the account of the War of Wrath is quite fragmentary and brief. It doesn’t even get its own chapter in the published Quenta but is appended to the Tale of Earendil. A lot more time is spent on what happened after the Battle was won than on the fighting itself. The narrator even mentions that the campaign of the Valar is poorly documented because the elves of Beleriand wound up having little enough to do with it — one rather gets the impression that the exile princes showed up too late to take much part. So I don’t think our source can be someone who got the Valar’s side of the story like Glorfindel. It may be that it’s just the story Elrond knew growing up. It spends the most detail on the aspects of the war that pertained to his father and his erstwhile guardians, Maglor and Maedhros. Yup. It reads like a simplified version told to a child, which is why Elrond is the most likely source. Glorfy tells kid Elrond: "Your dad was a big fancy hero and saved everyone. Then he went to a farm in the sky. See him? That's him there. Your mom too."
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Also your second and third dads robbed god and then committed suicide in agonies of guilt at their own moral collapse. Sleep well
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:A big fish story is the one that got away, a tall tale that grows in the telling and retelling. Ancalagon was the size of a small horse.
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sassassin posted:Ancalagon was the size of a small horse. This. No dragon is breaking mountains when it died and you know that after one the storytellers just kept adding mountains. Probably just an actual horse that was particularly feisty.
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skasion posted:Also your second and third dads robbed god and then committed suicide in agonies of guilt at their own moral collapse. Sleep well 
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VanSandman posted:Maybe Galadriel came visiting one day, who knows. Well, she is Arwen's granny. Going back to Boorman's LotR, there's a PDF of the script linked at http://cinetropolis.net/the-great-unmade-john-boormans-the-lord-of-the-rings/
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Tbh that script kicks even more rear end than I expected e: “An ORC TRUMPETEER is struck by arrows. Blood gushes out of the trumpet, and rains upon the orcs. This whips them into a lustful frenzy.” skasion fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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Yeah, I hadn't had a chance to read it before posting that link but my god it's cheered my commute up mightily.quote:BILBO is flushed and happy, but suddenly he sweeps around and he finds himself in GANDALF's arms, who leads him in a giddy twisting dance. He looks deep into BILBO's eyes and everything else becomes excluded, a confused whirl of colour, a blur of trees, lanterns, stars.  The kabuki catch-up play is loving amazing. There's no way it could ever live up to what I imagine, but Sauron swinging onto the stage like Tarzan and Saruman flipping his fake beard up to make long blonde hair to vamp Gandalf with made me laugh out loud on the train. I love this lovely script, though to be fair I'd probably hate (most of) it if it had ever made it to the screen.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yup. It reads like a simplified version told to a child, which is why Elrond is the most likely source. I feel that way about the Hobbit
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I'm still going strong with Tolkien professor lotr podcast. Episode 46. We just got to bree. It completely and utterly owns. (I skip the LOTRO stuff).
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euphronius posted:I'm still going strong with Tolkien professor lotr podcast. Episode 46. We just got to bree. It completely and utterly owns. (I skip the LOTRO stuff). I’ve been listening to his History of Middle-earth stuff instead. Treason of Isengard at the moment. It’s p good, I had never really paid attention to some of this early material like the bitchin’ early draft of “Earendil was a mariner” where he kills Ungoliant and flies off to the sun goddess(?) to become some kind of lightning deity, or his first attempt at writing Saruman’s appeal to Gandalf which is way creepier and subtler than the published version.
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Yeah I should listen to that too
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