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Dancer posted:I made a meta argument. I explained how I believe your meta works, and how you behave, and what I expect that behaviour to look like. I presented a hypothesis. You're like "lol nice try". Didn't bother engaging, just "yeah what you're saying has zero value to me". Nope. Didn't even engage with your meta argument, other than to say your expectations for me are not going to be met. None of that has anything to do with whatever it is you said I was saying the first time, nor what you are saying this time. People keep telling me not to talk about my meta, so I'm not going to.
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King Burgundy posted:Nope. Didn't even engage with your meta argument, other than to say your expectations for me are not going to be met. None of that has anything to do with whatever it is you said I was saying the first time, nor what you are saying this time. People keep telling me not to talk about my meta, so I'm not going to. Responding to someone in a way that has nothing to do with the thing they said is not a productive way to communicate. Which might be useful in, you know, mafia. Where town communicate with each other to figure out things they don't know, because they are at an information disadvantage. I guess you may want to avoid that if you're not the one at that disadvantage.
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Oct 15, 2018 17:33
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Hal Incandenza posted:I mean you have posts where you are trying to reason things out and find scum, unlike yesterday where you mostly shitposted and wouldn't even contribute at deadline. My expectations for your posting have declined since the early days when you were more invested in your mafia game Come on. I am invested in every game I play. Yeah I tend to coast through the first day or two. Partially because I want to be perceived as slightly scummy early in game. but if I’m alive at the start of d3 I always ramp up the effort, every time. I didn’t vote ecco or imgay for exactly that reason (I’m also not convinced they’re scum)
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Dancer posted:Responding to someone in a way that has nothing to do with the thing they said is not a productive way to communicate. Which might be useful in, you know, mafia. Where town communicate with each other to figure out things they don't know, because they are at an information disadvantage. This is silly, but I'll do you the favor of snipping out what I was responding to, which maybe will help you read it. I thought it was pretty obvious already given the words I said, but hey.  Dancer posted:I absolutely expect him to comment a great deal more in early days King Burgundy posted:Feel free to continue to expect things. Like I even re-used the same word you used, which is a signal for what I was responding to. But somehow you turned that into me saying meta arguments are bad. Like, where would that even come from? You've now made me type way too many words for D2. I hope you are ashamed of yourself.
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You folks know that town lunching = statistical advantage in hunting scum right? Never not dine.
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So Toalpaz are you able to shoot someone?
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King Burgundy posted:This is silly, but I'll do you the favor of snipping out what I was responding to, which maybe will help you read it. I thought it was pretty obvious already given the words I said, but hey. Are you actually implying that you weren't saying my argument (which is a meta argument) was wrong (I.e. That I see your expected behaviour as X, your behaviour in this game as Y, there's a mismatche, ergo I'm suspect of you)? No, you didn't literally say the words "that argument is wrong", but when you use the tone you did there, it's hard not to infer it.
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Oct 15, 2018 17:47
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imgay posted:So Toalpaz are you able to shoot someone? At night, not during the day. It counts as a night action where I can't cop or hide.
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Oct 15, 2018 17:48
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I mean okay, whatever, it's a minor point and largely irrelevant, but it shouldn't surprise you if people find it suspect when you respond to an argument of your suspiciousness with a 10 word dismissal.
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Oct 15, 2018 17:52
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Toalpaz posted:At night, not during the day. It counts as a night action where I can't cop or hide. I'm sorry, you're almost certainly the Serial Killer. I know it sucks to get caught out, but I just tried this same gambit in an ongoing game so I don't believe you. Granted, I think you're genuinely scum hunting, and I agree that Gaspy is probably scum.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:01
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Toalpaz posted:Well my argument is also that I was set up in several ways: I see you’re still trying to put me as scum, even with the amount of evidence to support my role claim and flavour claim. Unless you’re replacing myself with AA as per your whiteboard thing you posted earlier. You’ve claimed 3 different roles and have never addressed why I was “acting” super suspicious of Cpig’s claim from a context of me being coached by the scum team. Forgive me if I don’t really see you in a town light.
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Dancer posted:Are you actually implying that you weren't saying my argument (which is a meta argument) was wrong (I.e. That I see your expected behaviour as X, your behaviour in this game as Y, there's a mismatche, ergo I'm suspect of you)? No, you didn't literally say the words "that argument is wrong", but when you use the tone you did there, it's hard not to infer it. No, THIS is a correct interpretation. I said feel free to expect me to post more in the early game, regardless of your expectations, it is generally not going to happen. So yes, that translates as, you are wrong. But what you responded with initially made it sound like you thought I was saying meta arguments are bad. Which is something I disagree with entirely and I don't even see how you'd get there. Look again at what you said. It doesn't match up at all: Dancer posted:Are you gonna act like I'm the only one to ever make a meta argument/that meta arguments are universally meaningless because if yes then lol. Dropping it here. No more words from me on this.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:03
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:I'm sorry, you're almost certainly the Serial Killer. I know it sucks to get caught out, but I just tried this same gambit in an ongoing game so I don't believe you. Well, the truth will come out once I flip. Cheers!
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Oct 15, 2018 18:03
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Toalpaz posted:Well, the truth will come out once I flip. Cheers! Granted, if you are actually a town JOAT there are some bad lurker votes on you that lurker mechanics may not take care of.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:08
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Toalpaz posted:Well, the truth will come out once I flip. Cheers! I’m glad we agree on that.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:08
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##vote Toalpaz
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Oct 15, 2018 18:14
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Dancer posted:Willie's poking me. 
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Oct 15, 2018 18:15
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Just remembered Toalpaz seems too eager to self-hammer. I won't be awake at deadline, I'm relying on you people.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:15
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Like, on the off-chance someone still has something useful to say. I doubt it. The day's been slow.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:16
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Well, I lied about the vig. My killing ability was a lynch bomb. I didn't want town to have to suffer.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:17
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##vote Toal I suppose this is the best thing we have rn. It will answer some questions in any case. I still think Dancer is scum because he said a swear word at me and made me use a swear. AA may also be scum, this feels like AA scumgame. Wait did you roll a serial killer AGAIN.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:20
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Toalpaz posted:Well, I lied about the vig. My killing ability was a lynch bomb. I didn't want town to have to suffer. LMAO ooookayyyyy 
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Oct 15, 2018 18:20
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In the words of another great poster that came before me, i'm voooooooooltorb
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Oct 15, 2018 18:21
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im going to eeeeexplooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodeeee
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Oct 15, 2018 18:23
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kay I'm pulling your legs. ##unvote ##vote Toalpaz 
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CapitalistPig posted:##vote Toal I wish I rolled SK. I'd have already deaded a scum. Also it would be nice if anyone going this seems like AAs scum game could point out why or support the meta with evidence. That'd be nice.
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Toalpaz, we hardly knew ye  Votecount for Day 2  Toalpaz (9): jimmydalad, CapitalistPig, King Burgundy, Asphyxious, A Sometimes Food,  b-minus1 (1): CapitalistPig, King Burgundy, Asphyxious, Toalpaz, Asphyxious (0): Toalpaz, Atomic Soda (0): b-minus1, Not Voting (6): Atomic Soda, Dancer, hambeet, imgay, King Burgundy, willie_deeWith 16 alive, it's 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is October 15th, 2018 at 11 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 10 hours, 28 minutes.
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 Toalpaz, The Mayor (JOAT Serial Killer), exploded day 2. It is now Night 2. Please submit your night actions to me. The game will reopen in 24 hours or once I receive all night actions, whichever occurs first.
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Oct 15, 2018 18:38
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Votecount for Day 2 Toalpaz (9): jimmydalad, CapitalistPig, King Burgundy, Asphyxious, A Sometimes Food, b-minus1 (1): CapitalistPig, King Burgundy, Asphyxious, Toalpaz, Asphyxious (0): Toalpaz, Atomic Soda (0): b-minus1, Not Voting (6): Atomic Soda, Dancer, hambeet, imgay, King Burgundy, willie_dee With 16 alive, it's 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is October 15th, 2018 at 11 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 10 hours, 21 minutes.
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 Atomic Soda, Cordelia Chase (Vanilla Town), was found dead at the start of Day 3. hambeet has been given a lurker gun aimed at Kitiara! To fire this gun post ##shoot Kitiara. The day will continue after it is used.
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Votecount for Day 3 Not Voting (14): A Sometimes Food, Anomalous Amalgam, Asphyxious, b-minus1, CapitalistPig, Dancer, EccoRaven, Hal Incandenza, hambeet, imgay, jimmydalad, King Burgundy, Kitiara, willie_dee With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is October 17th, 2018 at 10 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 2 days, 5 hours.
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As an Australian I must say I'm very conflicted by the sense of power that comes with this gun ownership
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I kinda miss when I posted enough to get lurker guns handed to me.
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Ok everyone. I lied about who I was targeting last night just in case scum had a way to prevent visitors to a person and therefore render my ability null. Instead of Dancer and Ecco, I went to investigate Asphyxious cause of the mounting suspicion on them that was happening the previous day. My investigation was successful and Gaspy came back negative. This means immediately that he isn’t scum or at least part of the initial scum team. As I said before, there may be a possible traitor mechanic where some nights they come back positive for me and others negative so he isn’t completely out of the clear. However, there is a pretty high chance that he isn’t scum nor does he have a killing role. Also, it looked like scum targeted the person that Toal copped yesterday iirc. Do SK JOATs have coping abilities? I’m assuming this is the case at the moment. We could try focussing around Ecco or Dancer again, but I’m not really sure how much headway we’re gonna make in that regard.
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jimmydalad posted:Ok everyone. I lied about who I was targeting last night just in case scum had a way to prevent visitors to a person and therefore render my ability null. Instead of Dancer and Ecco, I went to investigate Asphyxious cause of the mounting suspicion on them that was happening the previous day. My investigation was successful and Gaspy came back negative.  also what a strange nk choice
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I always know in gaspys town, except when he isn't
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jimmydalad posted:Also, it looked like scum targeted the person that Toal copped yesterday iirc. Do SK JOATs have coping abilities? No, that is pretty unlikely. Toal would have been lying about AS.
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Ok, I’m looking back and AA was one of the most vocal people alongside Toal who were suggesting that Gaspy is scum. I’d like to hear their thoughts about the results of my investigation before going full on aggro at them. I do have my eager eye on them, however.
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