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Mel Mudkiper posted:Let me clarify A lot of it is slice of life stuff. Character wakes up, trains a bit, contemplates the Big Event coming up, has a meal, thinks about their role in society, worries about some tidbit of lore, goes to bed That's about 80% of any Sanderson book.
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Jorenko posted:It was an island-sized greatshell, not an elephant.
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Nov 7, 2018 01:47
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bitprophet posted:The what now? It's about 100 times bigger than this thing 
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Nov 7, 2018 02:00
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It's worth noting that while Sanderson intends all the cosmere books to be standalone, there are narratives you will be missing if you haven't read them all. Stormlight is great whether you pick up on those details or not though.
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Nov 7, 2018 03:18
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The Ninth Layer posted:A lot of it is slice of life stuff. Character wakes up, trains a bit, contemplates the Big Event coming up, has a meal, thinks about their role in society, worries about some tidbit of lore, goes to bed Honestly it feels like there's way less food in the books compared to GRRM or Redwall or even WoT. I say this despite Rock's soup dinners on Bridge Four and the king's feast tables being recurring plot points
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Nov 7, 2018 04:38
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There's a big difference between using food as a method of bringing characters together and highlighting the impact it has on society (men and women always eating different food in highborn Vorin culture), and describing sixteen different individual foods that are at the dinner table. Shut the gently caress up about the buttered peas, GRRM.
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Nov 7, 2018 04:49
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Lemoncakes! I want to try Rocks soup.
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Nov 7, 2018 04:53
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The Gardenator posted:It's about 100 times bigger than this thing it's was also a level in Golden Axe 
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Nov 7, 2018 06:11
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Also the newbie zone for pandaren in the Mists of Pandaria WoW expansion. Including the player eventually talking to the island-turtle to find out what's wrong with it and how to help. Don't recall any bungee jumping tho.
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Nov 7, 2018 07:17
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Reading Skyward is nice, I feel like he got many parts of the characters nice and the world building is pretty interesting. The tech feels a bit like one of his magic systems, so parts of the book might be too 'game manual'ish but overall I am really enjoying the read.
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Nov 8, 2018 18:36
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Is the book like Sanderson-novella sized? I burned through Stephen Leeds a little quick to be worth the money. Also is it too teenage-girlish? I could stand Divergent and liked Hunger Games/Maze Runner 1 OK so I'm not like too snobbish for a YA novel, but Divergent got close to losing me with the teenage romance stuff.
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Nov 8, 2018 20:13
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Modest Mouse cover band posted:Is the book like Sanderson-novella sized? I burned through Stephen Leeds a little quick to be worth the money. Spensa is a teenage girl who you can say might be heterosexual based on comments she makes about another pilot and that's about it. Skyward is about getting into ships and shooting things, or talking about what happened when they got into ships and shot things, or what they're going to do when they next get into ships and shoot things. I'd only call it YA in that the protagonist is younger than most of Sanderson's and as such focuses more on "coming of age" themes and you only need one hand to wield the book as a weapon instead of two. As far as length, the word count is listed as 137, 293. In other words, about 2/3 of a Mistborn book. So, small for Sanderson and otherwise a sizable and enjoyable story.
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Nov 8, 2018 21:16
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I finished Skyward in two days and it definitely left me wanting a sequel. I do think the finale was very abrupt, very little trail off back into normalcy and aftermath. But I guess that is more of a YA thing and they do expect to have the next book out next year and the final book in 2020. All the pilots of Skward Flight felt really well done and fleshed out with good character arcs in such a short book. Also I did enjoy the way Sanderson took the super obvious tropes and just ran with them and give them a little twist. Specifically (Major story arc spoiler) That you would quickly assume Spensa was right, her father was a hero, and that Ironsides was covering something up. Then the gut punch to her in learning that in fact Ironsides was only covering up how bad it really was to prevent her and her mom from being even worse off. But then in the very end you learn that while it really was her dad and not some illusion or doppelganger Chaser was acting on enemy induced hallucinations. Still want to know what the hell the teleporting slug is and how that plays into hyperdrives.
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Nov 8, 2018 21:41
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M_Gargantua posted:All the pilots of Skward Flight felt really well done and fleshed out with good character arcs in such a short book. I want the ultimate Cosmere crossover event to be Kimmalyn, Lopen, and Wayne just hanging out somewhere.
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Nov 8, 2018 22:23
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Trasson posted:Spensa is a teenage girl who you can say might be heterosexual based on comments she makes about another pilot and that's about it. Sounds great - thanks I'll pick it up.
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Nov 8, 2018 22:27
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Sab669 posted:And also Plots D-Z, which are the interlude chapters that are generally "separate" little side-stories that mostly serve only to expand on the world at large with no, or minimal, impact on Plots A-C so far. Maybe I'm forgetting one but I think every interlude from Stormlight 1-2, and maybe all of those in 3, have been plot relevant so far. The Purelake one is probably the least impactful so far though since it's mainly a group of people from the 17th shard looking for Hoid and the group includes an Elantian. They're all subplots to provide info from not (yet?) PoV characters and areas but they tend to have far more than a minimal impact on Plots A-C, even if it's not immediate. Trasson posted:I want the ultimate Cosmere crossover event to be Kimmalyn, Lopen, and Wayne just hanging out somewhere. Guest starring Rock as their rough yet loveable neighbor who always provides advice and food.
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Nov 9, 2018 03:09
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To be honest I don't remember most of them. I haven't read much Sanderson since Oathbringer came out, and I finished that in like a month. Haven't had a chance to hit the bookstore to get Skyward yet either 
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Nov 9, 2018 03:13
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Finished WOT book 8 today. Like 7, it was garbage. With the exception of the Seanchan and the 3 pages of Rand being attacked by the Asha’man. *fart*
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Nov 9, 2018 04:37
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Finished WOT book 8 today. Like 7, it was garbage. With the exception of the Seanchan and the 3 pages of Rand being attacked by the Asha’man. It gets worse before it gets better.
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Nov 9, 2018 05:16
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Finished WOT book 8 today. Like 7, it was garbage. With the exception of the Seanchan and the 3 pages of Rand being attacked by the Asha’man. BananaNutkins posted:It gets worse before it gets better. Lies? He's at book 9, which is better than both book 8 and book 10. So it gets better, then worse, then one is finally at book 11, where it gets a lot better (and starts to resolve several plot threads).
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Nov 9, 2018 06:24
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Torrannor posted:Lies? He's at book 9, which is better than both book 8 and book 10. So it gets better, then worse, then one is finally at book 11, where it gets a lot better (and starts to resolve several plot threads). To be fair most of book 9 isn't better than 8
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Nov 9, 2018 15:15
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I am only on Dragon Reborn where the books are still good, think I'll just read summaries for 7,8,9 and 10, with a couple of choice chapters.
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Nov 9, 2018 15:42
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10 and 11 are the nadir. 12 is good. 13 is good. 14 is not.
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Nov 10, 2018 04:07
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The last book isn’t good?!
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Nov 10, 2018 05:57
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:The last book isn’t good?! I think it is, but there are some flaws. Some plots are rushed to their end, which I guess is a combination of Jordan's death and them really, really not wanting to make the series even longer. The main plots are fine though, imho.
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Nov 10, 2018 06:01
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The last scenes with the Dark One are so stupid. The dialog is cringy and awful. The last battle has some cool moments but it goes on for far too long. The Black Tower plotline was a big let down. Rand giggling to himself at the end about which girl he wanted to smang the most and being unable to choose was a dumb way to send that character off.
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Torrannor posted:I think it is, but there are some flaws. Some plots are rushed to their end, which I guess is a combination of Jordan's death and them really, really not wanting to make the series even longer. The main plots are fine though, imho. Given all the poo poo that needed to get wrapped up, I thought it went pretty well. I assume the last book had the most actual Jordan authored prose in it of any of them as he allegedly wrote a lot of the last battle stuff before the first book was even published. Trying to finesse stuff that old in with the new, no to mention after a few thousand pages of Sanderson's occasionally drastically different characterizations, did not always offer smooth results. BananaNutkins posted:The last scenes with the Dark One are so stupid. The dialog is cringy and awful. The last battle has some cool moments but it goes on for far too long. The Black Tower plotline was a big let down. Rand giggling to himself at the end about which girl he wanted to smang the most and being unable to choose was a dumb way to send that character off. I'm still really glad it got finished.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:17
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The ending was written by Robert Jordan.
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Nov 10, 2018 08:07
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I am curious as to the level of craft someone practices over the course of writing some 10,000 pages of a single story Like, how much did he reflect on a sentence before committing to it?
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Nov 10, 2018 20:59
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Why do you care.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am curious as to the level of craft someone practices over the course of writing some 10,000 pages of a single story If you are talking about Sanderson, he has a podcast called Writing Excuses that might help. There's is even An Episode on Line Editing an old manuscript of his If you've read Way of Kings, There's even an episode that tells about that book specifically, though it does have some spoilers. It's not just Brandon, but 3-4 other authors so it isn't just his process. But if you search they do take on lots of issues. Some of which may answer your questions. The short answer is that his process is an outline, then write, then begin editing, at least for big stuff. His shorter works can start with discovery writing. Edit: if you are talking about Jordan, I think the problem could be the lack of editing. Since it's likely no one wanted to change his words to much lest they become "no longer Robert Jordan". enigma105 fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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Nov 10, 2018 23:17
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CharlestheHammer posted:Why do you care. because the production of that sheer volume of text is astounding and I wonder how a person does it
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Nov 10, 2018 23:56
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Mel Mudkiper posted:because the production of that sheer volume of text is astounding and I wonder how a person does it I mean as mentioned the guy is really open about his process, the post before gives you sources but I don’t know if it works well if you have no attachment to the series.
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Nov 11, 2018 00:09
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He isn't particularly fast, he just writes for at least eight hours every day.
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Nov 11, 2018 01:09
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Brandon is a great guy who isnt pompous at all like some other fantasy authors. He admits that he's not great at prose. He runs more of a production line operation with lots of hands on the text fixing things. Like, he has around 100 people reading and finding prose issues and mistakes working on the same google spreadsheet. I think he pushed it too far in Oathbreaker, but the fans mostly loved it and arent the same folks who read Baudilino ir whatever.
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Authors are almost universally horrid at writing, paradoxically enough. To the point some are borderline... not illiterate, but unintelligible with their raw prose. Source: my cousin is an author who recently published part of a series with 100,000 readers, but who earned most of his income as an editor when he wasn't bar tending to pay the bills. He got manuscripts from some very famous names, and he was not sparing in his criticism of the raw writing he was sent to review. But as he tells me, people don't pay them for good grammar or natural dialogue, they want stories that make them feel something. For successful writers that can create those evocative stories, the more technical stuff can be polished easily enough by others. M_Gargantua posted:I finished Skyward in two days and it definitely left me wanting a sequel. I do think the finale was very abrupt, very little trail off back into normalcy and aftermath. But I guess that is more of a YA thing and they do expect to have the next book out next year and the final book in 2020. Agree with this assessment entirely. I thought I saw the plot coming a mile away, and I did... except I didn't. He has also come a long way from his "every female protagonist sounds the same" days.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am curious as to the level of craft someone practices over the course of writing some 10,000 pages of a single story Why do you keep driving by the thread to make these same posts over and over?
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socialsecurity posted:Why do you keep driving by the thread to make these same posts over and over? because I looked up wheel of time after finding out it had 14 books and then saw each book was like 500-600 pages and maybe you all are accustomed to it at this point but to an outsider a dude writing a 10,000+ story is kind of astounding Like, Henry Darger wrote a 15,000 page novel but he was also a shut-in schizophrenic who just endlessly rambled about little girls over and over and even then it took his whole life and he never got it published and this dude wrote 2/3 the length of that and published it Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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Well wheel of time was written with apparently a lot filler and the writer indulging in his harem fantasies is my read. While Sanderson fetish is works building so it at least contributes something. As your fetish seems to be half assed trolling. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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The more words you have, the more detailed the world can be. A lot of fantasy reads are into that aspect. You can have a page and a half describing a chair if you want. Its almost like building a simulation or an open world game. This is one of the key differences of the genre.
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