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Cup Runneth Over posted:You're right, there's nothing they could have done, and they were entirely justified in completely dropping the ball and enriching themselves instead. nice strawman - my point is more about how this state is hosed due to global warming and where we have chosen to live
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predicto posted:nice strawman - my point is more about how this state is hosed due to global warming and where we have chosen to live cool point but we're actually talking about PG&E's criminal negligence here. talking about that instead is moot since the entire planet is hosed due to global warming, it doesn't matter where you live
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Cup Runneth Over posted:You're absolutely right but it doesn't look like any major activist groups are interested in making it happen. People are, but everyone's exhausted from a seriously busy last few months and everyone seems to be more focused on doing something that's less of an extended campaign for right now like getting and distributing N95 masks to the unhoused right now along with calling CPUC offices and state reps for the moment with the actual in person protests planning for after Thanksgiving. https://twitter.com/DSA_SF/status/1063537651448344576 predicto posted:They spent 200 million dollars on vegetation management last year. It doesn’t matter. They could spend five times that much, and massive fires would still happen. There are over 55 million trees adjacent to a PGE power line. It only takes one to fall, and the entire state is made of kindling now. Ah yes, the diverted money for profit and bonuses in the past may have been negligent https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/27/pge-top-bosses-harvest-hefty-pay-hikes/ But this one was fine.
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predicto posted:nice strawman - my point is more about how this state is hosed due to global warming and where we have chosen to live PG&E had net income after tax of about $1.6 billion last year. They also had cash totaling almost half a billion on hand, and in previous years paid out hundreds of millions in dividends. How about instead of worrying about their Earnings Per Share ratio they worry about not killing people and spend a little of that fuckton of money they've got on improving infrastructure? True, it won't stop every fire and every death, but I'd bet it would stop enough to be worth it.
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Fun little minifact about the Republican rout in Orange County https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1063775748320870400 e: and a fun article about the grim future of the California Republican party https://twitter.com/scottwongDC/status/1063809437079605254 FMguru fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Nov 17, 2018 |
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Thurmond ahead of Tuck by more than 150k votes now thank gently caress.
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FMguru posted:Fun little minifact about the Republican rout in Orange County I want nothing more than this to be true forever more, but as awesome as it is, this is an election with extremely high voter participation due to cheeto benito being just that awful. I'm not sure this will hold true in 4 years once the white house has been (hopefully) replaced by someone with more governing ability than a slightly warm jar of mayonnaise.
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Yeah, I expect the Republicans to claw some of those seats back, probably the next time we have a Dem President during a midterm. But as far as statewide offices and control of the state legislature, I really don't see what could change to make them viable. The Republicans are increasingly the party of angry white men, and while that can still knock out some wins in small enclaves, California overall is stampeding further and further away from that demographic. Maybe if they break away from the national party on social and environmental issues while otherwise still running a similar tax/regulation message they'd have a chance. But the anti-immigrant, anti-environment, anti-woman platform is driving too many voters away, potentially forever, and with McCarthy heading up the House Republicans I guess the current plan is to tie the last handful of CA Republicans even closer to Trump, so RIP. FCKGW posted:Thurmond ahead of Tuck by more than 150k votes now thank gently caress. Good good.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Yeah, I expect the Republicans to claw some of those seats back, probably the next time we have a Dem President during a midterm. But as far as statewide offices and control of the state legislature, I really don't see what could change to make them viable. The Republicans are increasingly the party of angry white men, and while that can still knock out some wins in small enclaves, California overall is stampeding further and further away from that demographic. The real issue for the state GOP is that no one wants to fund them. The state and national Chambers of Commerce both shut their checkbooks a couple of cycles ago, figuring (correctly) that pumping money into California races is the same as setting it on fire. You'll also have enormous trouble recruiting quality candidates (not a lot of top-tier volunteers for what amounts to an expensive year long kamikaze mission), so the candidates you end up are either 1) activist True Believer types (i.e. kooks) or 2) self-funding zillionaire vanity candidates. One thing to keep an eye open for: if the California Democratic party is the only source of (and pathway to) power in the state, then a lot of ambitious politicians who would otherwise have been Republicans are going to run as Dems, and a lot of corporate money that used to go to the GOP will instead be spent trying to buy off Democrats. Just because it looks like we're in for a long run of Democratic control of California, it doesn't at all automatically follow that it's going to a run of liberal government. Also: states dominated by one party often become hilariously corrupt, so that's something else we're going to be seeing a lot of in the future.
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even for like, orange county, i'd seriously wonder if politicians like rohrabacher and walters and kim came up through the entrenched county GOP machine, and ran losing campaigns because the machine they relied on all this time completely and utterly failed to adapt to the shifting ground of the county (demographically, politically, socioeconomically, etc), and that these losses (plus the dems picking up at least one more seat in the assembly in the greater irvine area) are a step in dismantling the machine
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Top-two means that every statewide seat will be a choice between a lefty-liberal Democrat and a center-right Democrat, and the latter will win (because, deprived of a Republican choice, the CHUDs who still make up 35% of the electorate will vote for the least progressive candidate). That's the whole reason top-two was instituted - to make sure that mushy centrists will always triumph.
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FMguru posted:
the smart money has already moved on from funding republicans to funding republicans that call themselves democrats. the lovely dems that had outrageous amounts of pac money behind them like tuck or buffy wicks got a lot of that pac money from republican donors Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Nov 17, 2018 |
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What is the state version of nationalization and is that actually a thing?
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Kobayashi posted:What is the state version of nationalization and is that actually a thing? I imagine you’d just call it municipalization, but maybe there’s a better word. And some people tried to get it on the ballot in CA in 2016.
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Newsom should've clocked him and cemented his lifetime appointment as Emperor of the Free State of California.
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We're going to have a great climate. The best climate. You won't believe how good this climate will be.
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Everyone said the climate could never be this great.
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It IS great, for certain definitions of great, from certain points of view. Just not those compatible with humanist societies with worthwhile qualities of life.
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a good (Great) Climate!
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OK so, the Donny Goodbrain 3 Step Plan for Wildland Fire Management: 1. Rake the forest (esp. floors) 2. Stop oceans from stealing all our water 3. Be Finland Sounds good to me
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You forgot "let ranchers dam federal waterways for their own benefit" unless you were lumping that in with the ocean-theft.
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So. The president supports punishment for PG&E since they didn't rake the floors. Seems like a great idea honestly
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Shear Modulus posted:watch his hand motions he clearly wants us to window-wash the floors well yeah that's what we need the water for
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FMguru posted:Fun little minifact about the Republican rout in Orange County Dirk the Average posted:I want nothing more than this to be true forever more, but as awesome as it is, this is an election with extremely high voter participation due to cheeto benito being just that awful. I'm not sure this will hold true in 4 years once the white house has been (hopefully) replaced by someone with more governing ability than a slightly warm jar of mayonnaise. Yeah same, I would love it to last, but in another 2 years I suspect they'll have clawed back a lot of the seats, not all, but a good portion will swap back. It's really more of a one off-fluke with massive turnout on one side, and generally low energy and middling turnout of gop in ca that generally are not as in love with trump unlike someplace like texas or kentucky that loves sending brown children to for profit rape camps. And even with that, there were way too many narrow <1% margins in a lot that isn't likely going to carry the next election, or two. CA GOP is definitely hurting, but it'd be naive to think they're gone and OC and poo poo will stay blue. Also GOP will just change their party to IND* (totally not still 100% funded by RNC et al.) and gain the votes that way. Xaris fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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FMguru posted:e: and a fun article about the grim future of the California Republican party This article is utter drivel. quote:It can take time, as happened in Texas, where decades of Democratic hegemony gave way to decades of Republican rule, which, beginning in cities and now spreading to the suburbs, is showing signs of weakening. These dumb motherfuckers at the LA Times actually wrote that the modern version of the Democrats used to govern Texas for decades, in seeming complete ignorance of why that actually was the case (the Dixiecrat Switch). It's a complete and utter rejection of factual historical nuance, in order to tell this bullshit story, where the rise of conscience in America is actually the disempowering of people who just believe in "low taxes and limited government" and the pendulum will inevitably swing the other way. This isn't a fun article about the GOP in California kicking it, this is mooning centrist horseshit fantasizing about how the ideal form of government is one where both parties have an equal share of power. It's written in utter defiance of the fact that the way it writes about politics (right down to the idea of states being "red" or "blue") is actually an extremely recent invention. It's such sloppy, yellow journalism it makes me want to barf. FMguru posted:The real issue for the state GOP is that no one wants to fund them. The state and national Chambers of Commerce both shut their checkbooks a couple of cycles ago, figuring (correctly) that pumping money into California races is the same as setting it on fire. Well, it depends on where exactly in the state you put it, but it will probably end up on fire, yeah Cup Runneth Over fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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Another fun set of numbers showing just how badly the state GOP has imploded over time. https://twitter.com/jaredleopold/status/1063841079240335361
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Xaris posted:Yeah same, I would love it to last, but in another 2 years I suspect they'll have clawed back a lot of the seats, not all, but a good portion will swap back. It's really more of a one off-fluke with massive turnout on one side, and generally low energy and middling turnout of gop in ca that generally are not as in love with trump unlike someplace like texas or kentucky that loves sending brown children to for profit rape camps. And even with that, there were way too many narrow <1% margins in a lot that isn't likely going to carry the next election, or two. CA GOP is definitely hurting, but it'd be naive to think they're gone and OC and poo poo will stay blue. It wouldn't be the first time a political party dissolved and was replaced. GOP candidates running and winning as Independents is a good thing. Minor league regressive rear end in a top hat politics like tax cuts for billionaires might survive, but major league poo poo like voter suppression and racism/sexism will go away quickly in a new party that's trying to be competitive in CA. Which will inevitably form if enough conservatives start to run as Independents. It's not objectively good, but it's better than the GOP now, and regressive assholes are always going to find other regressive assholes to vote for.
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Infinite Karma posted:It wouldn't be the first time a political party dissolved and was replaced. GOP candidates running and winning as Independents is a good thing. Minor league regressive rear end in a top hat politics like tax cuts for billionaires might survive, but major league poo poo like voter suppression and racism/sexism will go away quickly in a new party that's trying to be competitive in CA. Which will inevitably form if enough conservatives start to run as Independents.
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^^^hooray! In other gently caress you news: quote:As California employers know, employees in California are entitled to a 30-minute off-duty meal break for shifts greater than five hours, and a second 30-minute meal break for shifts over 10 hours. In addition, employees are entitled to a 10-minute off-duty rest break for every four hours worked or major fraction thereof. Just lol. Can't wait to die in a toxic chemical fire
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CopperHound posted:Wait... What? Are they suggesting DoT 1.1 cargo is currently shipped with just one driver? Yep. Totally OKing that.
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