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I'd prefer the juices going directly into the rear end of my favorite athletes rather than the ball, thanks.
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Aug 13, 2019 19:53
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Probably a bunch of people in straw boaters watching Ruth hit no. 61: "No! Nooooooo!"
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Aug 13, 2019 19:55
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Aberrant league-wise offensive trends are stored in the balls.
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Aug 13, 2019 19:55
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STAC Goat posted:Juiced ball rules. I can't wait for Gleyber to hit 2 more HRs tonight and Gary Thorne to lose his poo poo. Remember when everyone condemned Barry Bonds for cheating to hit more hrs
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Aug 13, 2019 19:59
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Juiced players: bad Juiced ball: good
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Aug 13, 2019 19:59
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i'm extremely curious what this new ball is going to do to upcoming contract negotiations. i imagine we'll see some real holdouts.
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Aug 13, 2019 20:03
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euphronius posted:Juiced players: bad So, only John Kruk can be good? Tom Gorman posted:There are lots of sweet swings in the history of baseball. Some are awesome because they're weird, some are awesome because they're smooth and effortless. I love Cal Ripken for how he constantly changed his batting stance. As for swings- it ain't necessarily pretty but Vlad Guerrero Sr. could hit just about anything within 6 inches of the plate.
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Aug 13, 2019 20:06
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I'd prefer the juices going directly into the rear end of my favorite athletes rather than the ball, thanks. ...hot?
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Aug 13, 2019 20:11
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bewbies posted:i just learned that noted the hebrew hammer hank greenberg spent 47 months in the service, right in the middle of his career. he also puts religion first and rests on holidays Greenberg was great and this quote always makes me feel feelings. "When I was playing, I used to resent being singled out as a Jewish ballplayer. I wanted to be known as a great ballplayer, period. I'm not sure why or when I changed, because I'm still not a particularly religious person. Lately, though, I find myself wanting to be remembered not only as a great ballplayer, but even more as a great Jewish ballplayer."
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euphronius posted:Juiced players: bad That actually seems perfectly consistent to me? You're comparing an individual player doing something against the rules to boost their performance vs the league changing up the conditions to boost everyone's performances. By all means you can not like the league doing that but its not "cheating". Everyone's playing with the same balls so its not giving one player an edge over the other. And no rules are being broken. Look, I was just making a joke about Gleyber Torres. The truth is I don't really care about whether the ball is juiced or not. I decided a long time ago that historical baseball numbers were a mess with "steroid eras" and "segregated eras" and amphetamines and raised and lowered mounds and shorter schedules and more road trips and breaking pitches and whatever. So like boosts in league wide numbers are just a thing to me that happens cyclicly in baseball. Five years from now the "juiced ball is ruining baseball" people will win out and they'll make a change and then we'll go through a new period that a bunch of people will declare the end of baseball and rinse and repeat. But for the record I think Bonds should be in the Hall of Fame along with the rest of the "cheaters" because it was clearly spread around enough to be a "steroid era" and the Hall has let in a bunch of other cheaters. But he's also an rear end in a top hat so I'm not crying for him.
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Aug 13, 2019 20:17
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There is all a juiced ball and high altitude in the Mexican League. Felix Pie is hitting .399/.483/.703 but don't worry, the best pitcher is james russell. All this comes from a cbs sports article about how Chris Carter has become an unstoppable Dinger God and now i want to go to mexican league games and remember some guys.
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Aug 13, 2019 20:32
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bewbies posted:i just learned that noted the hebrew hammer hank greenberg spent 47 months in the service, right in the middle of his career. he also puts religion first and rests on holidays Moe Berg seems like a more intriguing Jewish player who served in WW2, although he clearly wasn’t as good a player.
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Aug 13, 2019 20:35
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Popete posted:PCL also got the juiced ball and home runs are way up this year as well. Im not saying it isn't a thing there too, just that the PCL has always been a crazy hitting environment and the ball would play even worse there because of it zoux posted:Yeah why's everyone so mad about more offense It's juiced in a way that makes pitchers suck, which is not entertaining.
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Aug 13, 2019 20:48
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Someone should tell the Phillies that they can hit juiced balls too
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Aug 13, 2019 20:49
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Do league trends immediately impact WAR calculations? Like, assume you have two players putting up identical numbers with identical fielding stats, one in 2019, and one in 1989. Is the 1989 guy's WAR going to be higher?
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Aug 13, 2019 20:55
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Didn't fangraphs or bbref recently go back and change dWAR for catchers based on some random stuff? Also, it doesn't really make pitchers suck, and this is why HoF numbers should always be compared to the era they pitched in and not historical numbers. Which is why Pedro is always #1  I don't really care if the ball is juiced, I just wish the dumbfucks that run the league would admit it or just say something like "yes we tried some new stuff with the ball this season to see if it would improve offense for viewership purposes" or whatever their reasoning was. Instead of just being like "nah we have no idea what you are talking about and science is dumb."
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Aug 13, 2019 21:05
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R.D. Mangles posted:There is all a juiced ball and high altitude in the Mexican League. Felix Pie is hitting .399/.483/.703 but don't worry, the best pitcher is james russell. Chris Carter has 43 HR in 482 PA for Monclova. Dang. I don't even think Monclova is up on Altiplano.
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Aug 13, 2019 21:09
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I'm actually still of the mind that the ball is an accident of them just trying to make them cheaper, but they like the perks and don't wanna say "yeah, we were just being cheap but we got lucky!"
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Aug 13, 2019 21:09
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Thom P. Tiers posted:Didn't fangraphs or bbref recently go back and change dWAR for catchers based on some random stuff?
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Aug 13, 2019 21:09
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Fangraphs made big changes to their WAR function based on framing data a few months back, yeah.
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Aug 13, 2019 21:10
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STAC Goat posted:I'm actually still of the mind that the ball is an accident of them just trying to make them cheaper, but they like the perks and don't wanna say "yeah, we were just being cheap but we got lucky!" This would actually be great. They just sourced some different kind of rubber because it was cheaper and all of a sudden every pitcher in the league has a 1.5+ HR9.
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Aug 13, 2019 21:18
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With that windup I imagine Babe Ruth would struggle to hit a 100mph heater.
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Aug 13, 2019 21:22
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That astrophysicist said it's due to the ball being rounder and the seam height being lower. As the actual ball approaches the Platonic baseball, it's going to go further. Also don't underestimate that more dudes are told to go out there and rip the gently caress out of the ball rather than choke up and get a crafty small ball single these days, that's got to contribute. Wasn't that why Urshela started going HAM
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Aug 13, 2019 21:23
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Aug 13, 2019 21:24
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zoux posted:That astrophysicist said it's due to the ball being rounder and the seam height being lower. As the actual ball approaches the Platonic baseball, it's going to go further. Yeah, everything I've read/heard is that they hired someone new for the balls and the new people stitch the ball tighter which makes it more aerodynamic or something and the pitchers have a harder time gripping the seams. But yeah, there's also clearly a change in batting philosophy that factors in.
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Aug 13, 2019 21:25
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Good Dog posted:Just move the fences back another 20' to compensate. The Atlantic league was supposed to move the mound back 2' in the second half of the season but they decided to postpone that
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Aug 13, 2019 21:32
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Zach Wheeler is currently the best player because he has a 4.20 ERA imo
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Aug 13, 2019 21:38
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:Zach Wheeler is currently the best player because he has a 4.20 ERA imo Still can't step to the GOAT https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mccarbr01.shtml
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Aug 13, 2019 21:43
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69 wins and a 4.20 ERA is just so god drat good every time I see it.
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Aug 13, 2019 21:45
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seiferguy posted:With that windup I imagine Babe Ruth would struggle to hit a 100mph heater. The average fastball in the 20s was probably in the mid-80s, but some guys could still bring the heat in the 90s. If Ruth could hit them (and he could) then he could figure out the harder stuff. He'd almost certainly have to change his bat and swing, though.
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Aug 13, 2019 21:45
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habeasdorkus posted:Chris Carter has 43 HR in 482 PA for Monclova. Dang. I don't even think Monclova is up on Altiplano. According the the article i read, the ball they are using in LMB is not the standard juiced ball but another model intentionally juiced. quote:There is no mystery in Mexico surrounding the origins of the juiced ball. LMB's CEO Javier Salinas admitted in May the league sought more offense when it switched from a Rawlings ball to a Franklin model over the offseason. The league's wish may have been made on a monkey's paw: the ball's carry has exceeded expectations. One team employee said "it looks like it has a rocket on it." https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/chris-carter-the-home-run-king-forgotten-by-mlb-is-threatening-mexicos-single-season-homer-record/
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Aug 13, 2019 21:51
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Ozzie Smith’s career OPS was .666. Hail goddamn Satan.
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Aug 13, 2019 22:13
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Dang, someone should sign this Cesar Valdez guy, he's got the league figured out. 14-1 with a 2.42 ERA when only 3 other pitchers are below 4.00, and a 1.09 WHIP when only 4 other pitchers are below 1.30.
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Aug 13, 2019 22:30
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Hope in the near future someone quantifies just how much the Baltimore Orioles have skewed offensive numbers. Like park factors, except it's the Orioles.
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Aug 13, 2019 23:54
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bewbies posted:Do league trends immediately impact WAR calculations? Yeah everything is normalized to league average and park adjusted and all that stuff. Part of the whole idea is that a 4 WAR guy today and a 4 WAR guy from 1930 should both have contributed comparably to their team. Obviously this is not necessarily an exact science, since while offensive stats are well tracked defensive stats get sketchier the farther you go back.
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https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/1161441606169505796
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abelwingnut posted:i'm extremely curious what this new ball is going to do to upcoming contract negotiations. i imagine we'll see some real holdouts.
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