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Bob Morales posted:
In the last week I’ve heard two rumors—one about NVidia and one about AMD—that there are skunkworks projects being pulled out of the shadows and onto the main stage to eventually/quickly compete with M-series. Supposedly NVidia’s got a SoC that can play games competitively with a mid-to-high end PC, originally aimed at the console market, Shield/Tegra/possible Switch successor/competing with the SoCs on PS5 and XSX, but the line will now be retooled to function as PC hardware. Apparently the prototype can already run Windows. AMD had some relatively credible rumormongers talking this week about a hybrid ARM/x86 design they’d been tinkering with for several years.
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Shy posted:Do any other companies make ARMs they wouldn't be ashamed to put in a laptop? Do any companies make any other architecture that could theoretically be in a PC? there's a bunch of impressive work going on for server ARM platforms (AWS, Ampere, Xilinx, TI, Fuji, others) but they make tradeoffs that probably aren't great for desktop systems. nvidia is surely gonna do something if their ARM purchase gets past regulators. the newest snapdragon platform is probably competitive at the low end in pcs, but qualcom has weird incentives that make it unlikely they'd get deep into desktop pcs
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:It's just a matter of seeking rent. Apple won't get into gaming unless it gets a healthy cut of the profit. To do that right now, they would have to throw a ton of cash around, which doesn't seem like their style. I think they're gonna keep using Apple Arcade to build a bench of indie devs who are locked into their ecosystem and go from there. I don't think they're gonna get into AAA for years, if at all. Yeah, Apple has no problem quietly dropping a billion dollars to buy a display API company or a weather predicting AI company or a computational photo editing app developer, but the idea of Apple behaving like a console company and simply paying devs to port AAA games to their platform seems so pie-in-the-sky, I’m looking up the caloric value of meteorites.
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the talent deficit posted:there's a bunch of impressive work going on for server ARM platforms (AWS, Ampere, Xilinx, TI, Fuji, others) but they make tradeoffs that probably aren't great for desktop systems. nvidia is surely gonna do something if their ARM purchase gets past regulators. the newest snapdragon platform is probably competitive at the low end in pcs, but qualcom has weird incentives that make it unlikely they'd get deep into desktop pcs The only way Qualcomm gets competitive in this regard is if other companies with a clear stake in this (Microsoft, Google, Dell, etc) form a consortium and pay for the privilege of having commodity-class PC ARM chips. Otherwise there’s no profit motive there under the current arrangements for Qualcomm to go it alone on the development. They’d have to know from the get-go that there would be a BIG order waiting for them at the end.
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Dec 7, 2020 20:00
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Ok Comboomer posted:The only way Qualcomm gets competitive in this regard is if other companies with a clear stake in this (Microsoft, Google, Dell, etc) form a consortium and pay for the privilege of having commodity-class PC ARM chips. qualcomm only really sell their soc because it gets their radios into devices. that doesn't really apply in the desktop market if a desktop quality arm processor takes over the pc industry it'll come from ARM, AMD or nvidia
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Dec 7, 2020 20:03
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So my dad's MBA arrived and I replaced his M1 Mini with it. Only problem I've run into so far is that his mouse can't seem to wake it from sleep over USB. I have to use an ANKER USB-C hub; it's a Logitech mouse that can use either the Unifying Receiver or Bluetooth. I've found the USB Unifying Receiver to be more reliable, but I have to connect it over Bluetooth to make it able to wake up with the lid closed and connect to his monitor + keyboard. Is there any way around this?
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Ok Comboomer posted:Yeah, Apple has no problem quietly dropping a billion dollars to buy a display API company or a weather predicting AI company or a computational photo editing app developer, but the idea of Apple behaving like a console company and simply paying devs to port AAA games to their platform seems so pie-in-the-sky, I’m looking up the caloric value of meteorites. Isn't that what basically apple arcade is? The way the indie game devs talked about it, seemed like basically a gaming VC fund with mobile or timed exclusivity. The only question is if the fund wants to get big enough to write AAA-sized checks. I think the problem with that will be mainly you're convincing the EA and Activisions of the world to do something for you that they may not want to, and writing a big subsidy check to your peers is probably not very appetizing.
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the talent deficit posted:qualcomm only really sell their soc because it gets their radios into devices. that doesn't really apply in the desktop market I wouldn’t count Intel out, they have all the cash and size in the world and an industry full of well-established relationships to both leverage and protect. In ten years we’ll be talking about how obvious it was that Intel was going to buy and hire their way to ARM competitiveness and the Mac will be in the same niche it was in in 2009 with a numerically larger user base.
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MrBond posted:Isn't that what basically apple arcade is? The way the indie game devs talked about it, seemed like basically a gaming VC fund with mobile or timed exclusivity. The only question is if the fund wants to get big enough to write AAA-sized checks. The closest thing to AAA on Apple Arcade is sonic racing. Apple is still run by a bunch of weird, boomer, billionaire Coldplay dads (made all the worse because some of them actually know members of Coldplay) who wanna get up on stage and tell us that The Floor Is Lava is a AAA experience and their vision of what Apple can bring to gaming. When Apple thinks about “deep” or “artistic” creativity in games design to promote they think about Monument Valley, which is alright although hella old at this point, even though popular poo poo like Stardew Valley or Dead Cells, poo poo that already has credibility and a fanbase, exists on the platform. Or when Apple dragged an iMac and an EA developer up on stage wearing a Vive that one time to show us some vague “developer” related Darth Vader poo poo that went nowhere and meant nothing, but that must’ve easily cost Apple like $20 million. Shameful company that refuses to do the basics.
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Dec 7, 2020 20:23
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The Lord Bude posted:Now all we need is for AAA game devs to actually take macOS seriously as a platform and port things. Hahahahaha
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Dec 7, 2020 20:39
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Ok Comboomer posted:I wouldn’t count Intel out, they have all the cash and size in the world and an industry full of well-established relationships to both leverage and protect. i think it's early to count out x86 and intel personally. a lot of what apple has done is only really possible because they were able to commit to a specialized chip that they knew they were going to fab in the millions of units. if intel could produce a single chip in that quantity for a market as narrow as pc laptops they could specialize it to a significant degree. what is holding intel back is that they are producing a platform that has to serve everyone from high performance workstations to budget laptops to massively parallel server applications. a lot of those applications are not economically feasible to fill with a specialized soc. who other than intel has the ability to offer a platform that can be tweaked to each of those applications? no one is even close right now. even if intel were to back away from their own ISA to producing that same platform for ARM they'd still have trouble competing against apple for all the same reasons
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The Lord Bude posted:Now all we need is for AAA game devs to actually take macOS seriously as a platform and port things. when it comes to control apple are basically nintendo but ramped up to 11. they'll never get game devs onboard without a huge cultural change at the top of apple
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Apple’s unwillingness to buy access to lots of good, known, existing content, or when they do buy content to buy weird poo poo that the VPs feel personally good about like the Peanuts rights, is what’s screwing them with Apple TV+ right now. They’re throwing tons of money at top-tier celebrities and talent to make them their own shows and films, and nobody gives a poo poo. It all feels weirdly knockoff, astroturfed credibility, similar to the problem Quibi, etc had. All of it looks bland as gently caress, completely safe because even if Apple is willing to make legitimately daring and edgy content they’re unwilling to advertise it. Not a single person cares about ATV+ nor will they in 2021 now that HBO plus or whatever (which is also apparently struggling despite having literally the opposite problem) is taking their nuclear option and going all-in on premiering new movies. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Dec 7, 2020 20:53
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Ted Lasso is genuinely good, and one of the best things I watched this year. 
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Great, there’s a ton of good Sudeikis content out there he’s been making it for a decade+ Ted Lasso isn’t enough to sell ATV+
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Ok Comboomer posted:
It all looks like fake shows you’d see in real stuff.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:It all looks like fake shows you’d see in real stuff. This hits the nail on the head so precisely on what is wrong with AppleTV shows.
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Kingnothing posted:
Thanks, I was confirming that the $200 was for the battery and not the resale/trade-in value. I'll have to think about it further.
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it'll probably be bad but i'm looking forward to foundation, and for all mankind i thought was great. the scenes on the moon landscape alone are worth watching the show for imo. i also liked dickinson, tehran isn't bad though i've only watched a couple of episodes. and i expect wolfwalkers to be outstanding, given it's from the same people who did the book of kells and song of the sea, which are gorgeous. i dunno if i care about anything else on the service (i haven't seen ted lasso yet but i'm sure i will at some point). that said is it enough to make me pay for the service? no, not yet, it's too easy to run out of content. but if they can justify putting out more content they'll eventually have an interesting enough back catalogue to make it worthwhile enough for many to at least add it to their bundles.
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Ok Comboomer posted:
Actually I want to see what they do with Asimov's Foundation series, but yeah, I'm just going to wait until it's all out, binge it, then cancel. Apple TV+ is the old PS3 joke about how it has no games, except that Apple actually has almost no content, and even less worth watching.
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Aren't they doing an adaption of The Stand? I also kind of was entertained by Morning Show, it was pretty well acted. And yeah, For All Mankind was good. I also enjoyed Lasso and Long Way Up. It's kind of decent and it feels like lately it's had way fresher content then Netflix.
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Dec 7, 2020 22:22
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CBS all access is doing the stand remake. It starts the 17th I think.
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Ok Comboomer posted:Or when Apple dragged an iMac and an EA developer up on stage wearing a Vive that one time to show us some vague “developer” related Darth Vader poo poo that went nowhere and meant nothing, but that must’ve easily cost Apple like $20 million. It's cute that you think apple pays for those.
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Sorry late to the party but if the M1 is as good as they say it is why now? I recall reading PPC was faster than x86 at launch but fell behind because x86 process nodes got better faster. That seems like a cyclical leap frogging of architectures tied to processes with more to do with the process than the arch.
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Shaocaholica posted:Sorry late to the party but if the M1 is as good as they say it is why now? I recall reading PPC was faster than x86 at launch but fell behind because x86 process nodes got better faster. That seems like a cyclical leap frogging of architectures tied to processes with more to do with the process than the arch. It is as good. Might be better too.
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Also Apple actually has the resources now to devote to Apple Silicon that they (and Motorola/IBM) didn't back in the PPC days to keep up with Intel.
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Has there been any analysis into how well AS arch might scale thermally and with threads?
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Also, IBM had literally no interest in developing the PPC in terms of the computer market, making upgrades to it constantly and evolving it.. They actually made more money offering pared-down versions of the PPC to be used in Xbox / PS3 machines.. IBM hit a wall at 3 GHz, Apple tried to compensate by offering the first liquid-cooled PowerMac G5s which could barely crack 2.7 GHz, and that worked out super well (it didn't) Jobs screamed at IBM when they failed to deliver 3 GHz parts, then IBM had the nerve to tell Jobs 'psst, if you slip us a few tens of millions, maybe we could speed things up' to which he allegedly exploded and went back to Intel and the rest is history.. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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And well, you know
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So....RISC was always good it just never had a good champion until now?
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Shaocaholica posted:So....RISC was always good it just never had a good champion until now? Being RISC probably doesn’t have anything to do with it.
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Yeah modern x86 chips are pretty RISC-like these days, AFAIK.
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It always seemed incredibly weird to me that Apple was trying to make their own shows; it’s just so wildly, completely outside of their core competencies as to be totally bizarre. Like, Apple has been heavily involved with music since the iPod but they don’t have a record label or a band.
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TACD posted:It always seemed incredibly weird to me that Apple was trying to make their own shows; it’s just so wildly, completely outside of their core competencies as to be totally bizarre. Like, Apple has been heavily involved with music since the iPod but they don’t have a record label or a band. especially with the proliferation of streaming services these days. why on earth would you want to jump into that mess 
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TACD posted:It always seemed incredibly weird to me that Apple was trying to make their own shows; it’s just so wildly, completely outside of their core competencies as to be totally bizarre. Like, Apple has been heavily involved with music since the iPod but they don’t have a record label or a band. Though of course there might be uhhh legal reasons for that
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I maintain that if jobs were still around we probably would have seen some sort of partnership with Disney instead of them being content creators. Wanting Apple to create content seems like a uniquely Tim Cook thing.
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the talent deficit posted:i think it's early to count out x86 and intel personally. a lot of what apple has done is only really possible because they were able to commit to a specialized chip that they knew they were going to fab in the millions of units. if intel could produce a single chip in that quantity for a market as narrow as pc laptops they could specialize it to a significant degree. Apple paid Intel to fab millions of chips for years and the best they did was a slightly more robust integrated GPU.
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Apple learned from Google/YouTube and Facebook not to ever let themselves end up at the mercy of another company for a core marquee feature, and Netflix/Prime is the closest situation to that for them in the video content consumption/rental space, which has historically been a massive revenue driver for Apple. Netflix and Amazon, etc have already entrenched themselves firmly in Apple’s video blackberry patch, taking content views that otherwise could’ve gone through iTunes. And they’re core enough services for enough customers that if either of them decided to throw their weight around for whatever reason, Apple would be in for a major headache and possible user shrinkage. So there’s enough incentive there for Apple to seek some degree of independence from big streamers and leverage when negotiating with them. There’s also incentive for Apple to draw customers to their ecosystem, just as iTunes and iPod did in the past, and Apple Music is doing now. But they also waited way too long.
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Is anyone that just bought an Intel mac happy about that decision?
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more like incel mac
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