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Ytlaya posted:Yeah, this seems really obvious to me; kind of baffled that someone would read that as being written by an actual fundamentalist (unless they've just never actually personally encountered fundamentalists). When I went to university, I was expecting it to be a cool and lefty place, and then my floor of the student accommodation turned out to be packed full of evangelical physicists. They frequently said exactly the sort of thing Suvi does because they assumed that I, as an atheist, would wrongly think there had to be some tension between religion and science. Why would an atheist want to make a character bang on about how god inspires her science? Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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Oh dear me posted:When I went to university, I was expecting it to be a cool and lefty place, and then my floor of the student accommodation turned out to be packed full of evangelical physicists. They frequently said exactly the sort of thing Suvi does because they assumed that I, as an atheist, would wrongly think there had to be some tension between religion and science. Why would an atheist want to make a character bang on about how god inspires her science? I also have a lot of experience with deeply religious scientists thanks to family. A lot of them are extremely defensive and over-eager to justify themselves because they're used to getting shat on by both fundie conservative types and by atheists in the sciences alike.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:21
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Wingnut Ninja posted:It's kind of sad in general that there aren't more plot options that reference your class, like the engineer interrupt in Omega. Being able to commiserate with Kaidan over how much implants suck if you're also a sentinel, for example, would have been a cool little touch.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:29
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Mr. Prokosch posted:He gave that contact all of your charts, which would have revealed the location of the Nexus and all of the colonies to anyone interested, like the Kett. As soon as they know where the Nexus is they can just harvest it, since it stupidly had no defenses. If that information got out, it would mean death to the entire Andromeda initiative. Then whoops, the contact gets captured, who would have thought a resistance fighter might get captured! What's this about cell structures? Naaah, just give random resistance members a complete map of everything. Ah, I haven't done any of his quests (aside from downloading the movies) and don't generally use him as a party member. Oh dear me posted:When I went to university, I was expecting it to be a cool and lefty place, and then my floor of the student accommodation turned out to be packed full of evangelical physicists. They frequently said exactly the sort of thing Suvi does because they assumed that I, as an atheist, would wrongly think there had to be some tension between religion and science. Why would an atheist want to make a character bang on about how god inspires her science? She reads like someone trying to write "a good religious person." Like the religious version of a character inserted with the intent of adding "religious diversity" to the cast. And people who think there's tension between religion and science aren't exactly rare among random (mostly older) liberals - like Bill Maher types. If the writing itself had "fundamentalist sympathies" it wouldn't just manifest in a single minor character (and is more likely to manifest in the form of painting non-religious characters negatively).
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Outside of Cora Liam and the other squadmates also don’t like each other, with Liam expecting Vetra and Drack to traitor them first chance they get.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:47
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Vichan posted:Post-coup ME3 romance question, should I go for Liara or Traynor? If you're being renegade I'd say traynor because she gives as good as she gets, whereas liara is just damp and vanilla.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:50
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a pipe smoking dog posted:If you're being renegade I'd say traynor because she gives as good as she gets, whereas liara is just damp and vanilla. Wasn't me, Evil Clone.
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Strategic Tea posted:The baffling thing with Suvi was that they decided to retread the whole thing with Ash of 'but you're in space - and believe in science - but also God??? How can this be????' the other thing is that conversation with Ash lets you pick five responses: 1. I believe too 2. I might believe 3. I don't care either way 4. I don't believe but it's cool you do 5. Reddit atheist the same conversation with Suvi gives you options 1 and 5 but not any of the nuance, which is a good way to sum up Andromeda
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Jul 8, 2021 22:00
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DourCricket posted:Wrex can also die and Garrus can't - why put resources into a character if some players might not see him? It's not some, it's most. Pretty sure the ME3 stats Bioware released showed Wrex alive for just 33% of players, so Citadel featuring him so extensively really was them going above and beyond to do a big love letter. (Garrus and Tali had much better survival stats from ME2 iirc so they could afford to give them relatively major roles in 3)
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I remember Wrex died on my first ME1 playthrough, after getting his family armour and having enough Paragon points to talk him down, because I was looking through the dialogue trees for the option to agree with him that we should save Saren's research on the genophage cure. You spend long enough looking through the different options, Ashley shoots him. It's honestly a weird flaw that that's not there, I still think this. Shepard just has to be pro-eugenics or at least, "it's not worth the risk, the ongoing genocide will continue indefinitely if it helps me stop this space terrorist!".
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Tali at the party recalling the first time she met Shepard is great, because the first time you meet you're saving her from an ambush and rushing her to meet the three most politically powerful beings in the galaxy but apparently all she could think was,"I hope this human took a shower, humans are so grimy!"  Also Grunt in the shower mumbling,"I found a blue rock for you, Liara...."  Android Blues posted:I remember Wrex died on my first ME1 playthrough, after getting his family armour and having enough Paragon points to talk him down, because I was looking through the dialogue trees for the option to agree with him that we should save Saren's research on the genophage cure. You spend long enough looking through the different options, Ashley shoots him. I had utterly, utterly, utterly convinced myself that I had a memory of discovering during the mission that Saren's cure was bullshit to trick the Krogan into working for Sovereign (and then getting indoctrinated, presumably) so when I replayed the Legendary Edition it's quite an eye-opener to realize that uhh... yeah, that Krogan scientist might have actually been close to a no-fooling, no-bullshit cure and then you and Wrex kill him. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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Jul 9, 2021 02:16
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I mean it makes sense in that 99% of krogan would immediately line up behind the insane genocidal terrorist with the mind-control ship if he'd succeeded, even if doing so is extremely harsh.
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Jul 9, 2021 02:28
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Jerusalem posted:I had utterly, utterly, utterly convinced myself that I had a memory of discovering during the mission that Saren's cure was bullshit to trick the Krogan into working for Sovereign (and then getting indoctrinated, presumably) so when I replayed the Legendary Edition it's quite an eye-opener to realize that uhh... yeah, that Krogan scientist might have actually been close to a no-fooling, no-bullshit cure and then you and Wrex kill him. Yeah! It's messed up and totally dissonant with much of the game's tone otherwise, and more so with the tone of the sequels. It feels like the writing intent is that the genophage is such a fact of life for the powers that be in the Milky Way that Shepard is pro-genophage without question - or at most, neutral to it - but that's a really big writing swing to impose on the player and it's something ME1 doesn't do very much elsewhere.
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Wolfsheim posted:I mean it makes sense in that 99% of krogan would immediately line up behind the insane genocidal terrorist with the mind-control ship if he'd succeeded, even if doing so is extremely harsh. I mean, sure, but there could have been an option to be like, "okay, Wrex, we'll kill Saren, squash his base, then take all the research he had on stopping the genophage, maybe take the lead scientists alive, and I'll lobby the Council to use the research we recovered to work towards a cure." Of course the Council would never go for that in ME1's timeframe, but at least Shepard could be sympathetic to Wrex's completely understandable desire to end the genophage. But instead Shepard is just like, "no, Wrex, the research that could end the sterility plague the government forced on you is too dangerous, Saren might have left his stink on it. Now get in line and help me squash your people's future!". And that's the best case! Worst case, he's extrajudicially executed by Ashley because she thought he looked twitchy.
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Seemlar posted:It's not some, it's most. Pretty sure the ME3 stats Bioware released showed Wrex alive for just 33% of players, so Citadel featuring him so extensively really was them going above and beyond to do a big love letter. Didn't most people who played ME3 start fresh without importing a save from previous games? (unless I'm getting that mixed up with Witcher 3, which I believe also had mostly new players) That would hugely weight the stats towards the default choices. If 33% of ME3 games have Wrex alive that would mean drat near everyone who imported ME1 -> ME2 -> ME3 kept him alive.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Didn't most people who played ME3 start fresh without importing a save from previous games? (unless I'm getting that mixed up with Witcher 3, which I believe also had mostly new players) That would hugely weight the stats towards the default choices. If 33% of ME3 games have Wrex alive that would mean drat near everyone who imported ME1 -> ME2 -> ME3 kept him alive. Part of the other issue is that he started ME2 default dead so anyone who started with ME2 had him dead even with an import. 33% is actually huge
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Didn't most people who played ME3 start fresh without importing a save from previous games? (unless I'm getting that mixed up with Witcher 3, which I believe also had mostly new players) That would hugely weight the stats towards the default choices. If 33% of ME3 games have Wrex alive that would mean drat near everyone who imported ME1 -> ME2 -> ME3 kept him alive. Just looking at the actual stats now, and it tracks almost exactly to that. Imported a save: 39.8% Wrex alive: 36% Geth/Quarian peace: 36%
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Jerusalem posted:I had utterly, utterly, utterly convinced myself that I had a memory of discovering during the mission that Saren's cure was bullshit to trick the Krogan into working for Sovereign (and then getting indoctrinated, presumably) so when I replayed the Legendary Edition it's quite an eye-opener to realize that uhh... yeah, that Krogan scientist might have actually been close to a no-fooling, no-bullshit cure and then you and Wrex kill him. I want to say that Okeer’s dialogue in 2 implied Saren was just getting around the genophage with cloning instead of a true cure? But if that’s the intention I don’t think it’s ever really made clear
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Rynoto posted:Everyone loved Wrex and is a shame there wasn't a romance for him Wrex fell for Eve the moment she pulled the shotgun out of his hands and blew away a Cerberus soldier, then told him she could handle herself.
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I thought Wrex and Eve were like a divorced couple in Krogan terms when I first played 3
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Cythereal posted:He does acknowledge it in ME1, after Eden Prime, if you're an adept, sentinel, or vanguard and ask him about his biotics. He notes that despite his older implants he still packs a bigger biotic kick than most people with the new generation of implants - you're one of the exceptions in that regard. CapnAndy posted:I think Cerberus rebuilds you with L5s in ME2, don't they?
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Kaidan explaining to James that he worked really hard and learned to Reave with his L2s, and Liara going,"Yeah that's righ... wait, what?  " at the party is such a great little bit.
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Jerusalem posted:Kaidan explaining to James that he worked really hard and learned to Reave with his L2s, and Liara going,"Yeah that's righ... wait, what? Is there a clip of this? I don’t remember this convo and it sounds interesting.
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chaosapiant posted:Is there a clip of this? I don’t remember this convo and it sounds interesting.
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Snake Maze posted:I want to say that Okeer’s dialogue in 2 implied Saren was just getting around the genophage with cloning instead of a true cure? But if that’s the intention I don’t think it’s ever really made clear Sorta - if you grill kirrahe about it he straight up says "they're cloning new Krogan without the genophage" on virmire. So again, might not be a true cure, they just might have had an effective template of a pre-phage krogan.
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Yeah, I got the impression that an army of cloned Krogan wasn't really Krogan at all in Wrex's eyes, hence him backing down
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The trade off to romancing Liara is that she's the most dull crewmate in the trilogy.
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The Vile Stuff posted:The trade off to romancing Liara is that she's the most dull crewmate in the trilogy. Such a bold thing to say in a universe where Kaidan Alenko exists
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Kaidan owns in all three games and if anything ever happened to him I would kill everyone on the Normandy and then myself.
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Animal Friend posted:Kaiden kind of owns in 3 though? Owns himself. By being boring.
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Kaidan is blowing ash out of the water in 3 so far, you people still throwing out the boring meme are weird
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Ash is soldier class so doesn’t really have flashy skills. Kaidan is a sentinel and has reave and overload which are very useful skills and make him versatile in most missions.
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Saving Ash never really made sense to me. From a story perspective, both Ash and Kaiden are dull and 1-note in ME1. Ash is a soldier willing to sacrifice herself for the mission, but also she's a space racist grunt who blames all of her personal failings on perceived mistreatment of her family because her dad failed big during the first contact war. She's super whiney about it too. Kaiden is a higher-ranking officer, technical specialist, and a space wizard. He references his past but makes it clear he's fine with it and if you don't prod him he largely leaves it alone. He's a little thirsty if you're fem shep but you can shut him down easy. If you're not romancing anyone he's an easy pick over Ash. Their future story arcs are also a bit more satisfying if Ashely is sacrificed at Virmire IMO. There is a great dramatic irony if she dies and is posthumously awarded multiple medals by the council races, held up as a paragon of human-alien cooperation. ME2: Horizon plays better with Kaiden instead of Ashley IMO -Kaiden, being a dyed-in-the-wool alliance officer, it makes sense why he is skeptical on Horizon and isn't willing to work with Cerberus. -Ashley, being a violence prone human supremacist with a stunted career, would have actually made MORE sense to shack up with Cerberus. ME3: Ashley doesn't make nearly as much sense as Kaiden for a Spectre candidate - Ashley was a guard on a podunk backwater until Shepard came along, with military disgrace branded all over career record/family name - Kaiden already had an accomplished military career before Shepard came along, not to mention his space magic and higher military rank
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ME3 sure has a lot of big open areas with respawning baddies in. Finding it really loving tedious so far. I also remember it the worst of the 3 games, I'm not sure why. Tuchanka and the related quests I remember pretty well, and Palaven. All the rest of this feels new even though I must have done it. It's strange.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:How'd you get Chakwas on there? Don't do the suicide mission promptly, send a disloyal companion to escort her
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