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Crab Dad posted:Dude gets killed by a cop and someone thinks it’s a good time to get revenge on someone at the funeral? What the gently caress? Killing a mid level member of an organization so you can get the higher ups to come out to the funeral so that you can take them out is a tried and true tactic. Usually they use drones though.
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Crab Dad posted:Dude gets killed by a cop and someone thinks it’s a good time to get revenge on someone at the funeral? What the gently caress? Not the first time that's happened 
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Cugel the Clever posted:There's definitely a willful neglect of those with mental health issues in our society. God drat is this ever true. As a mid-90s preteen in the Midwest I was exposed to Rush Limbaugh as a matter of course and got the brilliant notion that my ADHD wasn't as seriously as the doctors thought, so I suggested cutting back on whatever the gently caress I was taking for it. Result? Nothing except my math grades went through the floor because I could no longer focus well enough to pay attention. So instead of being able to hack the math I'd need to go into physics or astronomy like I'd wanted, I ended up on a long, meandering path that led me to becoming a historian. I mean, I'm great at studying history but I spent too many years in high school trying to catch up with math that I just didn't understand because I'd missed my chance the first time.
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my favorite example of the kind of mental health care we get in the states is my home statequote:LAS VEGAS (AP) — A Nevada jury put the state and a former mental hospital administrator on the hook Thursday for class-action damages that could range from about $9 million to more than $22 million for putting patients on buses in Las Vegas for one-way trips to cities around the country. literally "here's a ticket out of town, bye!".
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That was a surprisingly common approach to mental health for a while. It’s still done with unhoused people!
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Doesn’t Hawai‘i still do it with plane tickets?
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FrozenVent posted:That was a surprisingly common approach to mental health for a while. It’s still done with unhoused people! I'm currently living in a little Californian mountain town that apparently still gives undesirable types a quick, free ride in sheriff deputy cars down the hill to lower rent areas.
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FrozenVent posted:That was a surprisingly common approach to mental health for a while. It’s still done with unhoused people! Is it just me or does "unhoused" sound like a euphemism for "homeless" instead of being a more precise term like its supposed to be? I mean, I get what they're going for but it still seems unhelpful somehow.
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Arrath posted:I'm currently living in a little Californian mountain town that apparently still gives undesirable types a quick, free ride in sheriff deputy cars down the hill to lower rent areas. Do you want to get Rambos? Because this is how you get Rambos
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Wrong Theory posted:I will make an actual post to accompany my poo poo post above. And I think Tiny brings up a good point that I read in an article. (no idea if Politico is a good site, I was at work when I read it) How are we supposed to counter the socioeconomic forces in our society that has gutted the middle class and destroyed the American dream? How do we stop people being hopeless about the coming climate apocalypse that could kill billions? Gun violence in general, not just mass shootings, would go down significantly if people had more opportunities for a positive future. Universal pre-K and subsidized childcare, way more funding for schools, universal healthcare and mental healthcare, a living minimum waged tied to inflation, free public state college, and probably most important for gang violence, ending the War on Drugs and viewing / treating addiction as a public health issue rather than a criminal one. Funding prisons and making them actual centers for rehabilitation would also help immensely. That would probably cost what we spent in Afghanistan and Iraq combined, though, so there's little to no hope of that because fascist capitalist oligarchs run this country and it is not in their interest to be taxed appropriately to pay for much needed public services. So we see a shrinking middle class, the death of the American dream, the mainstreaming of fascist white supremacist thought, a coming climate apocalypse that we're doing gently caress all to mitigate and barely anything to prepare the nation for it, and people who have no hope turn to crime. This isn't just contributing to mass shootings, however horrible they are. It's contributing to hopelessness and apathy and in some cases suicide in general.
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Bored As gently caress posted:How are we supposed to counter the socioeconomic forces in our society that has gutted the middle class and destroyed the American dream? How do we stop people being hopeless about the coming climate apocalypse that could kill billions? Exactly. And for every 10 suicides, 1 of them might decide to hurt others on the way out. Money spent on mental health and social services could be cheap pennies compared to the horror of even one more nutjob stacking bodies.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Is it just me or does "unhoused" sound like a euphemism for "homeless" instead of being a more precise term like its supposed to be? I mean, I get what they're going for but it still seems unhelpful somehow. 
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Cugel the Clever posted:There's definitely a willful neglect of those with mental health issues in our society. That needs to be addressed, but the lowest hanging fruit for stemming the rising tide of mass murders is common sense firearms regulation that limits and delays access to potential perpetrators (hopefully enough that their bloodlust is behind them) and reduces the ease of mass murder offered by semiautomatic rifles with high-capacity magazines. Assault weapon bans don't and won't work. The much cited "success" of the 1994-2004 AWB is bullshit. Violent crime was decreasing from the height of the crack epidemic in the 80s before the ban took effect. The law didn't start a decrease. Oh that law also added funding for states and localities to hire tens of thousands of police officers. Unless you want to credit them, too, with reducing crime. A Ruger Mini-14 will kill someone just as dead as an AR15, it just doesn't look as scary. The only thing you could conceivably do is add any semi auto to the NFA. But compliance of that would be in the single digits, just as assault weapon registration had single digit compliance rates in CT and NY. I'll give you the waiting period. I'd honestly be okay with a 1 week waiting period. It'd suck, but a little inconvenience for something that would actually work to prevent murder instead of bans on 30 round magazines that number in the billions in the US which no one will comply with if they dont grandfather the existing mags in. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Jun 3, 2022 |
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Tiny posted:Exactly. And for every 10 suicides, 1 of them might decide to hurt others on the way out. Money spent on mental health and social services could be cheap pennies compared to the horror of even one more nutjob stacking bodies. "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"... but prevention isn't profitable. only now, applied to all of america.
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FrozenVent posted:Killing a mid level member of an organization so you can get the higher ups to come out to the funeral so that you can take them out is a tried and true tactic. Hey now, it’s we. We’re all gonna share in the GWOT blame. Well everyone but Crab Dad, you can’t really pin a war crime on Forrest Gump / Gandalf.
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Tiny posted:I'm honestly worried that poo poo like that is going to become more and more common. As an entire generation of people realize they have no hope of a better future, some sad % is going to kill themselves. Some sad % is going to decide that if they have no future and nothing to live for, they're at least going to take what they consider to be the enemy out with them. Wait until climate collapse truly sinks in. There's gonna be murders, murder-suicides, parricides, grand parricides (?), family annihilations. It's gonna be horrible I used to be upbeat!
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Is it just me or does "unhoused" sound like a euphemism for "homeless" instead of being a more precise term like its supposed to be? I mean, I get what they're going for but it still seems unhelpful somehow. It’s obviously not the same thing but it makes me think of the people saying “unalived” to get around word filters for “suicide.” I’m skeptical about mental health and social service funding being an effective solution for the violence we’re seeing in the US. It would be a fantastic good in general, but would it really put more than a dent in reducing all these killings? Does everybody in the countries where this doesn’t happen have such a great commitment to therapy and perfect socioeconomic conditions for happiness? Weapons proliferation really does seem critical to address. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Jun 3, 2022 |
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It usually takes a day or so. Surprise - it wasn't about return-to-work policies! https://twitter.com/ChrisInParis/status/1532629303137030144?t=ppCLsoBcoCyOZoXzEV7uVQ&s=19
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facialimpediment posted:It usually takes a day or so. Surprise - it wasn't about return-to-work policies! What an absolute moron. You're not supposed to accomplish this by scaring away all your top performers. It'll be a shame to see Tesla turned into a Trump casino.
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Tiny Timbs posted:It’s obviously not the same thing but it makes me think of the people saying “unalived” to get around word filters for “suicide.” It's not that there needs to be more mental health services and social service funding, those are also just bandaids. All of this is an inter-related ball of poo poo. The US is a hypercapitalist hellhole that has a Horatio Alger rags to riches story it likes to tell itself that is complete bullshit within the reality that the actual American Way is extracting blood, sweat, and tears from the bottom 90% while leaving many of them to starve so that the top 1% can buy another diamond studded toilet. Our mythology and most of our policy says that any failing is personal, but our society is set up so that most people have no opportunity but to fail. For a little bit in the 20th century, the government at least acted like it cared, but the last 30-50 years have been full mask off "gently caress you" from the American government and oligarchs to the rest of us. And that is on top of a proud millennia-old tradition of those in power keeping us divided to keep us easy to control. So we get what we have today. People have been completely left out to dry by society and are clinging to whatever bullshit they can to remain sane. White Chuds have had three generations of media targeting them to convince them its The Liberals fault that they live in a trailer and have to cook meth because they lost the farm to the bank. Minorities have had 400 years of "lol, eat a dick" and have no illusion that the government will look out for their interests in any way, including and up to letting cops kill them with impunity. White liberals have been poisoned by decorum into thinking that you can just legislate your way to caring capitalism, while all the while losing ground as the middle class disappears. The end result is a broken society that chooses violence as its ultimate tool of self-empowerment (because when the soap box, ballot box, and jury box are all stacked against you, all that's left is the cartridge box). Whether this is some 16 year old shooting each other up over gang turf, a 45 year old dad blowing his brains out, a woman killing her abuser because the cops won't do anything about it, or a cracker shooting up a supermarket because he's been told minorities are going to replace him. Pulling a trigger has become the only place where people are able to live up to the stupid myth of the rugged individual. And nobody ever aims the gun at the actual source of their problems, because those sources are exceedingly effective at making us look somewhere else. If we had a caring society where the threat of personal, community, or nationwide doom wasn't a constant threat, people would be doing a lot less killing. Edit: in the meantime, making guns less available would be a good idea. But as has been stated repeatedly, good luck. I'm way left and should be all about gun control but everything above makes me against most proposed solutions because they depend on fair government, and we don't have one of those. I don't think people need guns to revolt against the government or play out their fantasies of stopping a robbery, but I do think black people need them to protect themselves against white power groups, LGBTQ people need then to protect against increasingly unhinged gay bashers, etc, etc, etc. If I lived in a socialist utopia Scandinavian country, I would be all for zero civilian ownership of firearms. stealie72 fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Jun 3, 2022 |
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stealie72 posted:If we had a caring society where the threat of personal, community, or nationwide doom wasn't a constant threat, people would be doing a lot less killing. “Your problem, sir, is that you’re just having a hard time coping!”
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Current event: watched RRR over the weekend and it loving whips. https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1532580631196192769?s=21&t=NeOSFR8QrKtDmB20oDYNKw
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bulletsponge13 posted:What the hell is RRR? As far as I can tell its a Bollywood movie about action heros throwing out british colonialism? Looks rad.
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bulletsponge13 posted:What the hell is RRR? Movie from India that looks interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RRR_(film)
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Tiny Timbs posted:What an absolute moron. You're not supposed to accomplish this by scaring away all your top performers. It'll be a shame to see Tesla turned into a Trump casino. It's a pretty comical thing - he's so rich and online-brained that he just KNOWS a mega recession is coming because he just KNOWS that inflation will be going up forever. Meanwhile, all of the big domestic automakers are maybe a year from permanently figuring out electric cars. And unlike Tesla, they won't specifically market to online bros, probably won't have cars with the build quality of a third-world country, and probably won't have cars blowing up into flameboxes along the side of the road consistently.
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Tiny Timbs posted:It'll be a shame to see Tesla turned into a Trump casino. It always has been. Just with better interior decoration.
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facialimpediment posted:It usually takes a day or so. Surprise - it wasn't about return-to-work policies! I've said it once, I'll say it again. Get him to do some orbit mission and then....BAM Minutman III retargeted from Warren or the Dakotas. Bonus points if we can get him to do it out of the atmosphere, and not near satellites.
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Mr. Nice! posted:just Admittedly I would be happy for days if this fiasco finally deflates the idiotic bullshit around his genius not coming from being born rich by his daddy's apartheid emerald mine. I do wish for it to burn both Twitter and Musk to the ground at the same time though. Really swing for the fences in making the world a better place.
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Midjack posted:Movie from India that looks interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RRR_(film) Take a look here if you want an understanding of this phenomenon: https://youtu.be/dPU2D5Ftjbw
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Arrath posted:I'm currently living in a little Californian mountain town that apparently still gives undesirable types a quick, free ride in sheriff deputy cars down the hill to lower rent areas. I'm in the Seattle area and there's definitely some informal system in place between the rich suburbs and downtown so there are almost no (visible) unhoused folk in the wealthy areas. I'd assume a tent trying to go up next to the Tesla store would get relocated fast. This also seems to have been a popular way to deal with prominent citizen wrongdoing in the past. In Spokane in 1969 the president of Gonzaga University was given 24 hours to leave town by the cops.
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Mr. Nice! posted:just That would be quite perfect 
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/abortion-numbers/sharetoken/S9YHDtsHK2re While there has always been a majority support for some sort of legal abortion, it looks like the recent news changed things so we have majority US support for abortion whenever the woman wants it for the first time in US history.
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golden bubble posted:https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/abortion-numbers/sharetoken/S9YHDtsHK2re Perfect time for the government to demonstrate we are not a democratic nation by refusing to do what the people want
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Mr. Nice! posted:just Seriously. Would love to see it.
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RFC2324 posted:Perfect time for the government to demonstrate we are not a democratic nation by refusing to do what the people want Right wing nutjobs in this country ain't gonna give a gently caress. They're already pretty far down the path of redefining who counts as people and picking up speed.
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