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Fuzzy Mammal posted:I mean, the trigger rules have been amended a bunch of times but settled on this quite a while ago I want to say. How would you propose to change them? In fact after reading this guys complaint again I'm more convinced the rule is good than stupid. I think a player should have to announce all their triggers before the next spell/ability resolves or the game moves to the next step/phase. I thought the change was recent, too? Like not too long before the pandemic?
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:I mean, the trigger rules have been amended a bunch of times but settled on this quite a while ago I want to say. How would you propose to change them? In fact after reading this guys complaint again I'm more convinced the rule is good than stupid. Yeah I read his complaint and some of the replies and the ruling seems… fine
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quote:The ruling from both of these judges is CORRECT, and that is what the problem is, with policy, not with the judges. I could lead my turn on 4 instant speed cantrips and at the end my opponent could just say "oh ya take 8". This is asinine. I was informed that the best way to circumvent this was to ask my opponent if the stack was empty. WHAT. Who does that. 
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It is very clear to me that those rules were specifically written to screw over that specific type of players. And that is a good thing.
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I think the latest update to them was specifically an addition for the beginning of combat step shortcut for something or other that triggered then and caused a brouhaha (vehicles plus BOC targeted ability in kaladesh??), but the announcement and having to point out opponents, and the split of beneficial and unforgettable ones feels like it solidified around 2017/18.
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HootTheOwl posted:Full dumb would have been doing his proposed rewind to before he cast/resolved opt. Aka, to the point where both players agreed on the gamestate. They can't rewind because he gained information that can't go back in the box with that second draw.
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Charity Porno posted:So he's mad because he KNEW there was a Sheoldred on table, KNEW he was supposed to lose life on every draw, and because his opponent didn't treat him like an invalid and say "GOTCHA" every time he drew a card, he thinks he doesn't have to lose the life? He's mad because he isn't able to know if the opponent will miss the trigger or not before deciding on his next action without reminding the opponent of the trigger, which he feels is their responsibility to remember (beneficial triggers are, under the rules). I'm fine with this outcome even if the way that the rules get there is a bit odd. Tracking triggers isn't the fun part of the game, it's a necessary evil.
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Yeah, reading responses on Twitter and people’s thoughts in here I’m not sure if there’s a better solution if they don’t want to make all triggers both player’s responsibility, which has its own issues.
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Nov 30, 2022 23:47
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I think the one problem with this ruling is that it incentivizes a bunch of extra wordiness to play "correctly' where you theoretically should be constantly asking if the stack is empty or alternatively saying "cast x at sorcery speed" every time you can anything in your main phase. It's a small theoretical problem unless people actually start doing it.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:He's mad because he isn't able to know if the opponent will miss the trigger or not before deciding on his next action without reminding the opponent of the trigger, which he feels is their responsibility to remember (beneficial triggers are, under the rules). But he admits he knew the triggers existed. The opponent clearly didn't miss them, he just thought he was playing with a person who knew how to play Magic: The Gathering and that situation hadn't changed since the last time he drew a card mere moments earlier Like we are not talking about an obscure trigger, Sheoldred is a game warping card atm
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Aphrodite posted:No gently caress you, AI art is theft and not from big corporations where it's the okay kind. AI art is actually cool and good
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I usually ask if I’m good to change phases/steps (at least entering/leaving my first main) once a game gets interactive, I guess that also works but also clues your opponent into a missed beneficial trigger.
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This whiner has the balls to say that the rule encourages angle shooting---- motherfucker you're the angle shooter. If I just announced a Sheoldred Trigger on your draw step, I'm expecting you know how the gently caress it's gonna go when you cast two draw spells in the pre-combat main phase.
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Charity Porno posted:But he admits he knew the triggers existed. The opponent clearly didn't miss them, he just thought he was playing with a person who knew how to play Magic: The Gathering and that situation hadn't changed since the last time he drew a card mere moments earlier When I play with sheoldred I usually announce they lost life when they draw a card, not wait a long time then bring it up. This was a weird way to get to the correct resolution, and the judges didn’t make a mistake. But I’m also not going to act like at comp rel it isn’t normal to expect your opponent to use their words and announce things. All of this is taking the situation at face to have this discussion and if it turns out this guy was purposely rushing through things rather than pausing and playing at a reasonable cadence, then I will start to give more grace to an opponent not saying “hey you lost life there” I don’t think the rules need changing based off this though. Just backfilling it to “ you must have done that in response” is funny
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And people ask why is rather watch Arena tournaments... Full rules enforcement in the client so I never have to watch 2 angle shooters eyeball each other into a Judge call.
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Arena is good Mtgo is good Paper is good They all have downsides but in aggregate they are engaging and enjoyable
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Aphrodite posted:They can't rewind because he gained information that can't go back in the box with that second draw. Hence "full dumb"
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Time posted:Arena is good The point is, ladies and gentleman, that Magic, for lack of a better word, is good.
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fadam posted:The point is, ladies and gentleman, that Magic, for lack of a better word, is good.
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fadam posted:The point is, ladies and gentleman, that Magic, for lack of a better word, is good.
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Toshimo posted:And people ask why is rather watch Arena tournaments...
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gently caress they got me again https://twitter.com/MTGSecretLair/status/1598100392143122432
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Edit: gently caress beaten https://gizmodo.com/magic-the-gathering-secret-lair-frank-frazetta-1849837976 Link has all the cards and art listed Aw goddamnit, I think I might really want this. But also I'm pretty sure I've seen Alter Sleeves and other proxies use Frazetta's art on them.
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fadam posted:Magic, for lack of a better word, is good.  hosed up if true
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fadam posted:The point is, ladies and gentleman, that Magic, for lack of a better word, is good. Whoa
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precision posted:AI art is actually cool and good please don't, I asked for us to not do this, thanks AngryBooch posted:gently caress they got me again I mean, Frazetta is amazing, I have more than one poster of his on my hobby room wall. But don't feel like you need to buy a magic card to get it, you can just buy a full sized poster for like $10-20. https://www.amazon.com/frank-frazetta-posters/s?k=frank+frazetta+posters or get high quality, actually officially licensed art prints https://art.sideshow.com/artist/frank-frazetta/ e.g. https://art.sideshow.com/art-prints/frank-frazetta-death-dealer-i-frazetta-jr-enterprises-501160U $95 for a limited edition of 300 8x24 print of Death Dealer from the Frank Frazetta Museum! Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Dec 1, 2022 |
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Leperflesh posted:please don't, I asked for us to not do this, thanks Fair, but I can’t use a full sized Frazetta poster to turbo out an Ad Nauseum.
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fadam posted:Fair, but I can’t use a full sized Frazetta poster to turbo out an Ad Nauseum. true enough
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fadam posted:I usually ask if I’m good to change phases/steps (at least entering/leaving my first main) once a game gets interactive, I guess that also works but also clues your opponent into a missed beneficial trigger. I only really play low stakes events, so I usually just ask before I move to something else. Seems to work out for me, but I still get overly excited when I'm comboing out or something and occasionally forget something. Luckily most of the people at my lgs are pretty chill about it
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AlternateNu posted:I got the 30th Anniversary SL from Captain Invictus today. All the cards I wanted foils of except one were foil, so I guess that's about as happy as I can be with a "known" product. None of mine were cut noticeably strangely, but my Genesis is also missing its sticker. I didn't want to get foils of the chase cards and I didn't, so that worked nicely. Now to brew up some decks to play em.
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That Dark Ritual loving rules, kinda eh on the rest of it cardwise. Art's great tho
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TheLawinator posted:None of mine were cut noticeably strangely, but my Genesis is also missing its sticker. I didn't want to get foils of the chase cards and I didn't, so that worked nicely. Now to brew up some decks to play em. lol, my foil Genesis' sticker is completely off but it's not missing, that's really funny. That specific machine was hosed.
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Missing holo stickers is fairly common, usually you'll find them in the pack. The ad for the product wasn't specific but there's going to be a Transformers secret lair on Monday as well. Edit x2- There's a polygon article going into it; "There are three Transformers Secret Lair sets in all — Transformers: Optimus Prime vs. Megatron, Transformers: Roll Out or Rise Up, and Transformers: One Shall Stand, One Shall Fall. Optimus Prime vs. Megatron includes three cards with new art: Blightsteel Colossus, Doubling Cube, and Darksteel Colossus. Roll Out or Rise Up has six: True Conviction, Dramatic Reversal, Fabricate, Collective Brutality, By Force, and Greater Good. One Shall Stand has five different basic land cards, each featuring a different location on Cybertron." Blightsteel, Darksteel and Doubling Cube being in one secret lair is kind of ridiculous. Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Dec 1, 2022 |
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AngryBooch posted:gently caress they got me again I once went 10 years thinking my buddy's uncle painted this. He did paint one, but he was copying the original and I just didn't know for the longest time. I even owned a frazetta art book, and we ate at this place called Conan's that was plastered, wall and table, with fantasy art like frazetta's. anyway glad my friend's uncle is getting some work again he was pretty good imo
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jassi007 posted:Yup. Because that is what you sign up for when you enter a Comp REL event. Your opponent can take actions that you should respond to with spells and permanents. I can cast spells into Chalice of the Void, Eidolon of Rhetoric and whatever trying to see if my opponent will make a mistake, because the rules say they have to play that way. Nobody makes you play Comp REL events if you think that sounds unfun, don't do it! Eidolon is a no-no.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Missing holo stickers is fairly common, usually you'll find them in the pack. I'm the one person around here that liked the Transformers cards in BRO and even I can't stand the art on these cards. The BRO cards look great (except for the Shattered Glass alt arts, those suck) but this is just laughably bad. I might pick up the one with Blightsteel just so I can say I own a copy for proxying purposes, but woof that art is atrocious.
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I have zero affinity for Transformers but I'll take a reasonably priced Doubling Cube, Blightsteel and Darksteel colossus, I don't care what art is on em
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Framboise posted:That Dark Ritual loving rules, kinda eh on the rest of it cardwise. Art's great tho 
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Toshimo posted:Eidolon is a no-no. Yeah, I bet the original reference was to Eidolon of the Great Revel instead.
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