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Dejan Bimble posted:The huge difference between what prospect scouts I respect say about scoot, versus what Adrian Wojnarowski and Jonathan Giviny said on wojs podcast has me very suspicious. Can you give some detail, I don’t really follow this stuff apart from this thread
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DeimosRising posted:Can you give some detail, I don’t really follow this stuff apart from this thread More or less, scoot is seen as an easy number 2 in the class because despite his box score stats and not really trying this year, when he was competing last year, and this year against Vic, he looks like a pg who can do everything, handle the ball, pass, finish, make midrange js, and defend all at the highest level. Plus he plays with a contagious fury/passion Brandon Miller has size and three point shooting, but stuff like playmaking and finishing are still up in the air. On Woj's podcast he and Givony acted like there was no argument that Miller was better. And you know how Woj is always playing agent games Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 18:58 on May 29, 2023 |
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Mean Baby posted:These are a few of the nightmare trades: are you the guy who made this? 
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Stats POTLUCK Based on Rafael Barlowe's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msZbDOk1rls I transcribed! Marquis Nowell got more rebounds than Jett Howard ah nevermind someone already summarized -BMill really struggles inside the arc. I don't see the star upside but could really excel as a 4th option in a team. He'd kill in a Cam Johnson/Bojan Bogdanovic role. -Scoot is a really good cutter but there are red flags in his perceived athletecism all over the place + question marks with his self creation upside. -Ant Black is right hand dominant. Makes things more difficult for him since teams know he can't shoot. Letting him shoot or drive left is a win for opposing teams already. -Amen is an open court player. Shooting 85% in transition is insane. Comparing that stat with other prospects may be unfair but extreme numbers almost always tell something special about a player for better or worse. FWIW, John Wall in college shot 77% in transition and 40% in halfcourt (via DX) but his halfcourt struggles pre-draft didn't stop him from becoming a great player in the league. Ja shot 71% at the rim in transition and only shot 52% at the rim in halfcourt but still turn out to be a great player because of his elite playmaking and ability to get to the rim every time on the court. I believe in Amen's upside. -D. Lively II touch around the rim is suspicious. Might not be a too big of a problem since he's an athletic 7 footer and can just dunk the ball most of the time. -Good chance T. Hendricks becomes a dunks and 3s guy in the league. Not bad but doesn't scream much upside either. -that extra tidbit about Marquis Nowell averaging more rebounds than Jett Howard is insane scoot shot 78% as off ball cutter wemby shot 40% threes in transity brandon miller shot 48% on unguarded jumpers off thencatch cason wallace has some good jumpshooting numbers which really help his all around caretaker pg persona 45% on isos 59% on midrange pullups jordan hawkins in 97 percentile in spot up scoring 44% on contested catch and shoot top 88 percentile on jumpers off catch day 1 spacer dereck lively had 14 more ast than to 90% in transition top 97 percentile as pnr finisher dereck lively still 77% at the rim jarace walker-- 12 more ast than to 67.7 in transition. 73% on cuts to the rim. 41% on unguarded c&s on 53 attempts Ant Black- 74% on cuts to rim Taylor Hendricks-- 95th percentile transition 62% from floor 65% from three in transition 93rd percentile post scoring 61.9% pnr scoring 60% on pnpop jumpers Keyonate George -- 47% on unguarded c&s jumpers Jaylen Hood-Schifino --38% on pull up threes out of pnr Gradey Dick-41.9% jumpers as pnr ball handler 47% from three as the ball handler in pnr 57% from three in transition 88th percentile on jumpshots 41% on uncontested jumpers off the catch nick smith-- 81.8% on cuts to the rim 48% uncontested js off the catch Leonard Miller Cason Wallace and Nick Smith are my midround grab and never regret guys i had 2 march g league games ripped and miller looked like his statline with the pts rbs blocks and steal s Miller as a rangy pf who can develop those guard skills nice project now the UGLY section wemby 32% on jumpers scoot bottom 16th percentile on finishing 51% in transition jalen green effect? 30% iso 40% pnr ball handler but i think you kinda have to throw this season away for him cause he didn't try like last year cause he knew he was locked 2/3 b mille-31.8% iso 32% jumpers off the dribble ausar thompson -50% of his layups made jarace walker-- 53.8% of layups ant black--32% on jumpers. 21% unguarded catch and shoot. 31% off dribble. non dunk finishing 51.% only made 25% shots going left Keyontae george-52% at rim. 51% layups. 26% on guarded c&s (47% unguarded) 91 ast 91 turnover gradey dick-52% on layups cason wallace-50% on transition. bottom 28 percentile 😦 jordan hawkins-51% on layups nick smith-23% on guaaded c&s jumpers dereck lively 52% of non dunk finish Noah. CLowney--28% from three, 47 of his fga are threes vic -38% fg on postups 28% on spotups 86 ast and 126 TO scoot-22 dunks, missed 6 b miller- 46.8% on layups  ( 😦 😦only made 29% 3pers in the corners amen -28.9 on jumpers cam whitmore- 20 ast , 42 tos only posted up 3 times and only 1 attempt as a pnr roll man which is stuff he should be able to do in the NBA Supreme ugly stat: Taylor Hendricks -- shot 44.7% on layups hes like 6'9 and athletic Jordan Hawkins-14 dunk attempts and missed 5 of them nick smith-- 35% in transition! (but he was hurt so) Thanks for reading my transcription
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quote:[Givony] Brandon Miller sat down with 12 teams at the draft combine, but arrived holding a legal brief written by his attorneys informing teams that he would not be able to comment on specific details regarding his involvement in the lead-up to the fatal shooting of Jamea Jonae Harris. quote:“The message I’ve presented to them is just it’s all a lesson learned,” Miller said to a group of reporters at the NBA draft combine, according to USA Today. “You always have to be aware of your surroundings and what you’re surrounded by.
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May 31, 2023 17:56
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https://streamable.com/zx3vh5 How the gently caress do you embed a streamable anyways? The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1664123985813032960?s=46&t=3d9JmXOJWgE8nozHLwUyjQ
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No huge shocks. Especially when a guy like Edey is definitely making more than a 2nd round contract in NIL.
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Cam Whitmore is special. He has an injury risk from his awful landings and frog hopping, but man. He doesn't just handle contact, he likes contact, he'll spin into a defender at the rim, using their body like a pommel horse, to both catch and redirect his momentum so he can spin into easy aimed layups. He has that first step that's like, he's covered, there's help, there's a rim protector, but he goes bam, around one guy, bam, around the next guy for an easy bucket. His dunks are thunderous. He dunks so hard he hurt his thumb at one point. The no passing ever thing is obviously a glaring problem, but you hope he can learn to be unselfish. It follows on defense. He's great on ball, he slides and bounces along with a ball handler with no problem, but when he has to be off ball he gets lost like a 6 year old ayso player picking dandelions and hugging his teammates. The feel /team concept question is looming over everything for him. The only equal question is development of a pull up jumper, that would unlock superstar potential (whatever that means, I'm using it to mean potential all-nba) His off the dribble jumpers are a work in progress, they look unorganized right now, but his catch and shoot game is already good. Imho he and Amen Thompson are tied for 2nd highest upside after Vic in this draft. Like Scoot's upside is much more attainable because he's great now, but they could shoot past him because of size and athleticism. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1664099719407181826?s=20 This guy is a big ten defensive player of the year and can't loving shoot at all, he won't be drafted, he is already a Chicago Bull and I'll be personally affronted if he is not on the summer league team.
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PD Web described Leonard Miller's shot as TJ Warrenesque, and that is very true
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What can you tell me about Bilal Coulibaly? He's a teammate of Wemby and is apparently a very good defender and apparently Toronto may have promised him
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What can you tell me about Bilal Coulibaly? He's a teammate of Wemby and is apparently a very good defender and apparently Toronto may have promised him Not as cool as Wembys other teammate, Steeve Ho You Fat
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What can you tell me about Bilal Coulibaly? He's a teammate of Wemby and is apparently a very good defender and apparently Toronto may have promised him Very Toronto guy. 6-6 (maybe taller), plays great defense, very very raw on offense. Maybe can develop a better outside shot, but needs work. He's athletic enough that he'll find some offense in the NBA, especially at the rim and on cuts, but I think he'll look really rough his first year. He's going to still be 18 on draft day, 19 on season start so he's legit real young. I think Toronto is a bit high but you won't find a guy like him much later so if you like him take him. There's talk that if he came out next year he'd be a top-10 guy but I think it's smart to come out this year if you'll be at least a mid-first. Let people fall in love with your potential more.
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Word to the wise: if you watch bilal's highlights on youtube and he's in the mets uniform, remember that's mostly not against top competition in france, its the team specially created for wemby showcasing and developing this year, and bilal started on the jv version and was elevated after playing well and replacing an injured guy. So a lot of the making it look easy stuff is not going to be that way against real competition. The best they faced was the g league ignite team this year I'd say. And Bilal didn't pop off the screen but he did hold his own defensively. The rumor is that hes no longer 6'6 and may be 6'9 now and that may be part of why he rocketed up. He is a developmental player. He has tools but he is not going to help you win games for 2+ years If you're taking moonshots for super toolsy wings, why not, but if you pick him at 12 or something you definitely are overlooking guys who are good at bball now. Boom bust wings are always fun though
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the mets existed before wemby arrived.
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tristeham posted:the mets existed before wemby arrived. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjelRDKHUk Here's your sign The team was going to fold, no longer be a going concern. His agent purchased them and cleaned house, new coach, new trainers and a boutique schedule that averaged one game a week so that Wemby could play hard without risking the constant minor injuries he got playing in the french first league last year
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Mets 92 hired their current coach, who is also the coach if the French national team, in 2021 when wemby was still on asvel e: espn put out an article yesterday about wemby's trainer that said the same thing about him going to mets partly because it would be a less intense schedule with a lot less travel. Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Shear Modulus posted:Mets 92 hired their current coach, who is also the coach if the French national team, in 2021 when wemby was still on asvel He was going to retire and Wemby's agent convinced him to stay, excuse me I feel like i'm surrounded by big bang theory sheldons here i'm trying to talk about prospects
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Dejan Bimble posted:He was going to retire and Wemby's agent convinced him to stay, excuse me Ok i didn't know that. I also didn't know the agent bought the team to put wemby on it.
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Wasn't expecting a Bill Engvall reference in the NBA section of these dead gay forums in tyool 2023 but it's appreciated.
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Obviously workout footage is useless but it's a good exhibit to show that Scoot is a big boy. He's really wide. He's not a member of the Tyus Jones family. he's thicker than post core stabilized steph by a lot. 6'2 with 6'9 wingspan and just a muscular body. He's a throwback to 90s power guards but he's as pure as they come with a great handle and court vision. He can finish through everybody too. (🤞 The last top pg prospect looking this beefy was (albeit with way more baby fat) markelle fultz, and he was not scoot's size, like 75% of it🤞)
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Shear Modulus posted:Ok i didn't know that. I also didn't know the agent bought the team to put wemby on it. Not trying to bitch you it was just 90 degrees and you know how it goes. anakha posted:Wasn't expecting a Bill Engvall reference in the NBA section of these dead gay forums in tyool 2023 but it's appreciated. This year's draft has 3 guys in the first round who were pretty heavily hyped coming into the year as lottery picks. Nick Smith was #1 in the recruiting class, Jett Howard was up there, and so was Dariq Whitehead. They all played large portions of the year hurt. This is where you pull the scouting wheat from the chaff. The teams who can compare their prep tape with their small amounts of non injured college tape and try and extrapolate who should go where, and who's doing what, and who would be doing something if they weren't hurt. It lends me to like nick smith way more than consensus. a little bit for jett but he was already unathletic, dariq i'm unsure of. To me Dariq looks like a nice role player who will shoot the ball well , and the injury made it impossible to guess if his upside is nice 3&D wing or invaluable starter on a playoff team I do roughly 10x more ruminating on prospects in the Nba n/v discord so feel free to pm me for a link to join if you feel like reading that. warning, I do tend to type 1 sentence at a time
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Dejan Bimble posted:Obviously workout footage is useless but it's a good exhibit to show that Scoot is a big boy. He's really wide. He's not a member of the Tyus Jones family. he's thicker than post core stabilized steph by a lot. My main takeaway from every scoot video was "this dude is fuckin 19 years old???" Was lebron even that huge as a rookie?
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Scoot has MVP potential. As a PG prospect he's probably the best since John Wall? He definitely a better prospect than Ja was at the draft, for example. Miller's ceiling to me is Jalen Brown low end All-NBA, top 20-30 player in the league. He's 7 or 8 out of ten at almost everything and will at the least be a solid rotation player for a long time, probably a very good starter, maybe even an All-NBA player for a few years. But he's not going to be a number one player on a title contender. Scoot could be. It's a low chance, like for just about any non-Lebron/Wemby prospect, but it's a chance. If you're Charlotte take Scoot and figure it out with Ball later. If you do need to trade Ball because both are good but they don't work together for some reason then there will be plenty of takers, that's a great problem to have.
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Is Scoot going to be any good as a rookie? Normally guys like him put up good counting stats as rookies (Ja, D-Rose, Westbrook), but Scoot's 13.5 PER and 53.7% TS in the G-League is making me think he might take some time to develop
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tanglewood1420 posted:Scoot has MVP potential. As a PG prospect he's probably the best since John Wall? He definitely a better prospect than Ja was at the draft, for example. Do we just ignore Luka Doncîç in this? If so why he's totally a PG
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Forrest on Fire posted:Do we just ignore Luka Doncîç in this? If so why he's totally a PG Wasn't he hyped as a swingman coming in?
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Wasn't he hyped as a swingman coming in? I had him in an ESPN fantasy BB league. He was listed as a PG/SG/PF meaning I could slot him into like 8 out of 10 spots in my lineup in May given week. Just the weirdest mix of roles. They fixed that the next year.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Is Scoot going to be any good as a rookie? Probably not but that's also probably true of everyone including Wemby (which will be more a question of how many games he plays more than anything).
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To me Ja was a bit of a better prospect but part of that was just how hard he rolled at all moments. Which I get is a bit regressive from a scouting prospect.
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Bilal rumors https://twitter.com/GlobalScouting_/status/1665415471062024194?s=20
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The idea that one of the teams with multiple picks might swing for the fences with him is probably accurate.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Is Scoot going to be any good as a rookie? Second hand from a pod - Ignite had really poor roster construction and virtually no floor spacing. Teams packed the paint against Scoot. He will have a lot more floor spacing in the NBA. Watching him against Wemby, his handles, quickness, and vision are what impress me the most. He is a great playmaker. His shot reminds me of D-Rose and Ja coming out, he has the confidence to shoot and it looks good, but needs some work. It would be a very Charlotte thing to pass on him for “fit”.
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Dejan Bimble posted:More or less, scoot is seen as an easy number 2 in the class because despite his box score stats and not really trying this year, when he was competing last year, and this year against Vic, he looks like a pg who can do everything, handle the ball, pass, finish, make midrange js, and defend all at the highest level. Plus he plays with a contagious fury/passion
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Kobe Brown might be a target for the Grizzlies. Any chance he’ll drop into the second round, or are they gonna have to use their 25th pick on him? Assuming it isn’t traded, of course.
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