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Barudak posted:Finished Lunacid. I had a really good time except the narrative/story, hard to judge the characters on anything other than visuals and that also seems unfair. it's more shadow tower storytelling than king's field, everything's supposed to just leave a weird dreamlike impression rather than be elaborated into anything specific. the dreamlike part also being, because it's vaguely based on the developer's dreams
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Sakurazuka posted:Tbf I consider all dubs atrocious ear issue
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GateOfD posted:might give 13 Sentinels another try after I finish Unicorn Overlord, I tried the first hour or two, and thought the battle system part of 13 Sentinels was really lame and doesn't match Vanillawares usual engaging battle systems the battle system remains really lame but the story portion is 100% worth seeing
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Just turn the combat to easy and forget about it IMO.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Just turn the combat to easy and forget about it IMO. This is also good advice for the silent hill series
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GrandpaPants posted:The Cold Steel games have a minor NPC who is a Scottish lady. She's a top 3 NPC in a set of games with a lot of really good NPCs, even
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Ive never heard the CS dub, who did they make Scottish?
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Just turn the combat to easy and forget about it IMO. thought the combat was fun on normal but this tbh story's worth enjoying on its own and the visual spectacle of 13 sentinels combat is very cool even if you don't wanna engage
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TheMightyBoops posted:Ive never heard the CS dub, who did they make Scottish? becky the merchant girl
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it wasn't a dub thing unless she got like three or four voiced lines in the cs1&2 enhanced dubs. iirc she just had a funny japanese country dialect so the translation extrapolated it there. common thing to do with characters who have funny dialects since there's not a lot of particularly specific analogues, you get a bit of free choice with what to turn it into
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GateOfD posted:might give 13 Sentinels another try after I finish Unicorn Overlord, I tried the first hour or two, and thought the battle system part of 13 Sentinels was really lame and doesn't match Vanillawares usual engaging battle systems 13 Sentinels is a visual novel with a tactical combat system for people who want a sense of accomplishment to go with their sci-fi stories.
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ChrisBTY posted:13 Sentinels is a visual novel with a tactical combat system for people who want a sense of accomplishment to go with their sci-fi stories. I fully admit I want some gameplay to help keep me from checking out because I could just go read a literal novel instead. Or read a comic, if the visual component matters that much. I can't escape the feeling that VNs are a bad transitional phase between books and movies.
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disposablewords posted:I fully admit I want some gameplay to help keep me from checking out because I could just go read a literal novel instead. Or read a comic, if the visual component matters that much. I can't escape the feeling that VNs are a bad transitional phase between books and movies. you should escape that feeling
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The Colonel posted:it wasn't a dub thing unless she got like three or four voiced lines in the cs1&2 enhanced dubs. iirc she just had a funny japanese country dialect so the translation extrapolated it there. common thing to do with characters who have funny dialects since there's not a lot of particularly specific analogues, you get a bit of free choice with what to turn it into i don't think she had voiced lines in those 2, but she absolutely got a dub in 3 with the accent. i thought hatsuu voiced her but i can't find the tweet or w/e i was remembering
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disposablewords posted:I fully admit I want some gameplay to help keep me from checking out because I could just go read a literal novel instead. Or read a comic, if the visual component matters that much. I can't escape the feeling that VNs are a bad transitional phase between books and movies.
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The 7th Guest posted:one of the earliest video games was colossal cave adventure I also played a lot of MUDs but I wouldn't call them VNs just because they were conveyed through text.
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soudns like you're being a STICK in the MUD!!
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D.Fuzzbot posted:What are some of the worst RPGs folks have played? Like really bad ones and not bad ones compared to the rest of a game series. Worse than YIIK is gonna be a pretty tricky ask... it is gross about specific people in the real world, and in addition to more general nastiness and being tedious+unfun. I am vaguely aware of some RPGMaker stuff that might be worse, but I try to avoid playing games if I think they're going to be genuinely unpleasant or particularly gruesome. Here's a youtube playlist of someone playing 30 RPGM games they think are real bad: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtAUgH1oFpnVrZL8Vbba3giMmRWsA_KsC I have not watched it, but someone posted this in a RPGMakerWeb thread that came up googling for bad RPGs. If you're looking for an entertainingly bad RPGM game, I recommend MandaloreGaming's vid on Anonymous Agony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn1rsvwkQLc You could also go by the worst RPGs in terms of the ones that have caused the most measurable financial harm to people. Normally gacha would be a Mobile Games thing, but there's plenty of computer MMOs with highly exploitative cash shop microtransactions. Josh Strife Hayes has a series on bad MMOs here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEpisdBgNpvgyQcUgTbqrgQzx_u19Rkkz If I recall correctly, Alchemia Story was pretty amusingly dire. D.Fuzzbot posted:Sorry, I know I sorta started it up by asking for bad RPGs. I consider Space Funeral to be very good as a sort of bizarro world RPG and parody of the genre. What if someone decided that it really needed a prequel? quote:Space Funeral 5: Space Eulogy: Journey of the Moon and Bubsy, also known as Space Eulogy or Space Funeral 5, is a fanmade prequel to Space Funeral developed by RedMcCloud. The game was cancelled due to disinterest from RedMcCloud and estrangement from the fan base. Space Funeral 5: Space Eulogy: Journey of the Moon and Bubsy is followed by Space Funeral 6: A Tale of Time. This, I remember playing for like an hour before I decided that it was actually a boring waste of time, then reading about it and getting kinda annoyed that some other rando had successfully faked me out. That jerk hijacked the Space Funeral brand, lol.
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disposablewords posted:I fully admit I want some gameplay to help keep me from checking out because I could just go read a literal novel instead. Or read a comic, if the visual component matters that much. I can't escape the feeling that VNs are a bad transitional phase between books and movies. you're a dumb rear end e: sorry, that was rude. Meowywitch fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Apr 6, 2024 |
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disposablewords posted:I fully admit I want some gameplay to help keep me from checking out because I could just go read a literal novel instead. Or read a comic, if the visual component matters that much. I can't escape the feeling that VNs are a bad transitional phase between books and movies. all of these alternatives lack the additional means of presentation and narrative conveyance that visual novels have. even the one being discussed right here is noteworthy for its presentation not being the typical sound novel format, closer to a point & click adventure game, just without most of the puzzles
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what does "bad transitional phase" even mean? what is it about visual novels that you would say makes them an objectively inferior medium? comparing them to movies doesn't even make sense
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Umineko would not hit as hard as it does if not for the fact that the VN element can line up musical cues to land just right.
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The Colonel posted:what does "bad transitional phase" even mean? what is it about visual novels that you would say makes them an objectively inferior medium? It's also just a nonsensical phrasing because it implies VNs were invented after books but before movies. Or perhaps vice versa.
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VNs arent trying to be books or movies or some awkward middle ground, theyre trying to be VNs. its like saying books are an awkward transitional phase between cave paintings and comics
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like if youve played any VN that wasnt made in renpy in two hours theres a ton of unique things only they can do and ways of communicating that are unique to them. even simple visual gags like having the sprites run around and play-act without actually animating them, that's different from actual animation and conveys a different vibe.
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Endorph posted:VNs arent trying to be books or movies or some awkward middle ground, theyre trying to be VNs. its like saying books are an awkward transitional phase between cave paintings and comics books are a transitional phase between speaking and visual information perceived by the eye. now that books exist no one speaks anymore
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Clearly, VNs are an evolution of puppet shows.
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Endorph posted:like if youve played any VN that wasnt made in renpy in two hours theres a ton of unique things only they can do and ways of communicating that are unique to them. even simple visual gags like having the sprites run around and play-act without actually animating them, that's different from actual animation and conveys a different vibe. Tokyo Necro having like fully animated fight scenes between the dialogue was so sick. Can't really get that in other mediums in the way they did it.
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example of the unique storytelling power of VNs: a character showing up in a mask and immediately getting identified and when he asks how the protagonist responds 'you're the only one tall enough that the top of your head gets clipped by the game window'
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JuniperCake posted:Clearly, VNs are an evolution of puppet shows. one of the most well known vns from the 2000s has a whole gag sequence that's just animated with actual irl dolls and it's one of the greatest things ever created
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also honestly some of the really bizarre 90s idea factory stuff basically leans into how cheap and low quality its cg is to try and go for like. a deliberate creepy puppet aesthetic lol as showcased by the master of gaming classics right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcDQ1OHej8I
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The Colonel posted:what does "bad transitional phase" even mean? what is it about visual novels that you would say makes them an objectively inferior medium? comparing them to movies doesn't even make sense Well, first, not calling them objectively inferior. You know, "feeling" and whatnot. My opinions on it are extremely subjective. And, honestly, the way this thread is moving on it I am already tired. I expressed an opinion and got called an idiot for having it. Fine, whatever. I hit preview and it moves on to new insults and the thread changing focus as I order my thoughts and just... nah, this isn't the place for a meaningful conversation on this. Posting about posting, obviously, but it's not hard to guess where trying to discuss this is going to go and I don't have it in me to want to do so further.
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Endorph posted:example of the unique storytelling power of VNs: a character showing up in a mask and immediately getting identified and when he asks how the protagonist responds 'you're the only one tall enough that the top of your head gets clipped by the game window' i like the comic relief guy in 428 who has the most "animation" out of anyone in the game, because they took a ton of photos of him in different poses and at different stages of movement so they could flip through them whenever they want to really emphasize him in a scene
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disposablewords posted:Well, first, not calling them objectively inferior. You know, "feeling" and whatnot. My opinions on it are extremely subjective. if you want to fold then fold but i don't get much more understanding of your thoughts from you stating that your thoughts are your thoughts
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disposablewords posted:And, honestly, the way this thread is moving on it I am already tired. I expressed an opinion and got called an idiot for having it. Fine, whatever. I hit preview and it moves on to new insults and the thread changing focus as I order my thoughts and just... nah, this isn't the place for a meaningful conversation on this. Posting about posting, obviously, but it's not hard to guess where trying to discuss this is going to go and I don't have it in me to want to do so further. well to be fair the only person that insulted you was me, and I am a confrontational jerk sometimes. you're alright goon, even with your weird opinions.
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