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Pakled posted:
You should probably say what you changed your vote from. It's incredibly annoying for anyone trying to count it otherwise (like I was, before I gave up at this point).
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 While I believe that our current inflation isnt extremely alarming, we have to think further down the line. Also, if we end up loosing provinces to Russia, we will need to mint even more to stay in the black! And if we manage to weather the storm... Well we wont have to worry about it further down the line.
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The Saurus posted:I have more sympathy for the people voting B who provide actual reasons (there are some) that contribute to in-thread discussion rather than just going TOLERANCE. Do you want everyone to explain all over again why tolerance is a good thing? I mean, I'm personally be really happy to do that, but I had figured we were past that stage of things. Well here's why we value tolerance. Azerbaijan is great. Azerbaijan is not strong, nor rich, but Azerbaijan is a country we can be proud of, because Azerbaijan is kind. That is truly exceptional, and truly wonderful. We're not aiming to conquer the world. We're not aiming to more effectively kill our neighbors for their beliefs or their land. We're a small country that holds many different kinds of people. People who would under other circumstances be out to kill each other, but because we rule them they're forced to tolerate each other. Our country is one where peoples lives are just a bit less miserable because the only way to hold our state together is to accept different points of view. A Bill of Rights will enshrine that spirit, not just for minority religious communities, but for all Azerbaijanis. Our history has told us that beating a man down will simply cause him to strike back when he can. We must show that we respect him, and then he will follow us willingly. Our country will be stronger for that cooperation. From a meta perspective, it's exciting and inspiring that we're actually doing this. Posters on internet forums are easily given to a bandwagon mentality or meme spreading- it's a fun thing to do. What's interesting is which meme is strong enough, which bandwagon compelling enough. Typically the strongest ones are violent and exclusionary. "Blood for the blood god!" "Death to the infidel!" "For the motherland!" But here we've gone a different route. The meme that's taken hold is humanism. It's not just what's good in the real world... it's loving awesome. It's exciting, it's compelling! People here are getting their blood up for being good people. It's an aesthetic appreciation for what's good. I for one think that's incredible, and I'm going to do everything I can to encourage it.
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Oct 12, 2011 11:12
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This is an exit poll, subject to the vagaries of the Bradley Effect and my poo poo poor tabulation abilities. As always, this vote won't be official until sniper4625 uses his augmented counting to validate the results. Voting will end in ~16 hours. 52 4822
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Oct 12, 2011 11:26
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Let's tolerate the poo poo out of some Christians.
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Oct 12, 2011 11:28
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Diplomacy is needed now more than ever.
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Oct 12, 2011 11:29
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We need to form some alliances in the hope it will save us from Russia, or at least keep our neighbours off our backs after Russia takes a chunk out of us so we can rebuild in peace.
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Oct 12, 2011 11:35
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Didn't realize that C was so far behind. Switching my vote from C to Hopefully the Russians will be so impressed by our glorious cabinet that they forget to invade us. Kainser fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Oct 12, 2011 |
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Oct 12, 2011 11:35
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Wiz, the next time an idea slot opens up I suggest you change the localisation entry to "National Tolerant Bank". I'm suspecting it's the only way it will have a chance 
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Oct 12, 2011 11:40
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Well, this is a bit of a difficult choice, made harder by some of the excellent arguments put forth, I think. But in the end I have come to a conclusion. Gentlemen, I wish for a tolerant Azerbaijan and a future as a beacon to humanity as much as anybody else does. But before we can be tolerant, we must be secure. Now I know that some say that Russia is only a passing threat, and we must think to the future. Yet I say Russia is only one of MANY passing threats. We stand at the crossroads of the world, and everywhere around us lie great powers that look upon us with a covetous eye. There is no military solution for this, whatever the glories of Azerbaijani arms - are we to take and absorb each of our enemies, in all directions, after all? Wherever we may push, there shall always be an enemy waiting to plunge their daggers into our backs as we look away from them. We cannot conquer all our neighbors, when push comes to shove. No, gentlemen, our security shall ultimately be found in our neighbors. We must become adroit at handling them, manipulating them. We must become masters of diplomacy, able to play our rivals off against each other, to form coalitions to ward off threats, to create safe borders with words instead of spears, with gold instead of gunpowder. At the center of the world, all eyes are upon us - we must master the art of diverting those eyes elsewhere, so that even if all the world should plunge into war, Azerbaijan shall thus be free, safe...and tolerant. A vote for diplomacy is a vote for security, now and into the future. Vote..
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Oct 12, 2011 11:41
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voting for diplomacy
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Oct 12, 2011 11:45
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Tolerance is neat, inflation reduction is something that will be have to be addressed at some point. Diplomacy is the key to survival.
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Oct 12, 2011 11:54
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Switching my vote from to The bank option still makes the most sense to me, but if the other choices are what's up, then this will be the choice most likely to keep us alive. In fact, let us combine the brightest minds and filter them through our splendid sultan, and the world will kneel before our silver tongue.
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Oct 12, 2011 11:55
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Because we must!
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Oct 12, 2011 12:00
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Switching my vote from C to We are already tolerent enough for now. We need something that'll help in the coming war with russia, that means cash or allies. Manic Mole fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Oct 12, 2011 12:06
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What is Russia's current mission?
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Oct 12, 2011 12:21
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We can never be tolerant enough! If an idea of tolerance is put up against other ideas, a vote for any of these is a vote for intolerance! Though honestly, I'd be happy to see Cabinet win too, with the assumption that this will mean that we the readers have greater input in what happens. Darth Windu posted:What is Russia's current mission? Wiz said a few pages ago, it's "Attack Azerbaijan".
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Oct 12, 2011 12:23
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Because diplomats cause all the wars!
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Oct 12, 2011 12:28
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Y'know, these are all 3 ideas I always try to take in regular EU3, so I don't really care what wins. Still keeping my original vote, though.
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Oct 12, 2011 12:32
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ill Of Rights
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Oct 12, 2011 12:33
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gently caress the haters.
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Oct 12, 2011 12:36
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God dammit.
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Oct 12, 2011 12:38
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Eiba posted:Well, at this point we've already established a national character, a simple value, and people are pointing that accepted value as the reason for their vote. It's true that tolerance is important to our brave nation, but as the wars with Armenia showed us we must be more than just tolerant. Our relations with Morocco have soured due to the callousness of one of our Sultans. They once called the Azeri Sultans their own, but now they are separate from us. Our agents tell us that our former ally Russia now considers war against us. Through the creation of a cabinet to aid our Sultan, we can mend these shattered bridges, or more easily find allies with which to weather the storm. And beyond that, our diplomats can spread the Azeri spirit of tolerance beyond our borders, to make sure our neighbours tolerate US.
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Oct 12, 2011 12:54
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We need all the friends we can get... It's a shame that our sultan is too great a man for these times.
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Oct 12, 2011 12:54
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C is the best idea but it has no chance of winning so let's get our diplomacy on
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Oct 12, 2011 12:56
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Switching my vote from to
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Oct 12, 2011 13:00
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Oh god, from a gameplay perspective the bonuses voting A confers are the probably the least valuable. We're not at a point where we're wanting for diplomats and the diplomacy bonuses won't help much if we hope to expand since our infamy will be perpetually high Higher tolerance = lower revolt risk = higher taxes. We're modernizing which means our slider choices have very little missionary growth. We can't afford to convert to remove wrong religion penalties to tax income and pop growth but we can stack tolerance and RR reduction to overcome them. The pragmatic choice for an expansionary vision is B. C is also useful to give breathing room to Wiz so either or works. But for the love of Allah do not vote A.
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Oct 12, 2011 13:05
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theDOWmustflow posted:Oh god, from a gameplay perspective the bonuses voting A confers are the probably the least valuable. We're not at a point where we're wanting for diplomats and the diplomacy bonuses won't help much if we hope to expand since our infamy will be perpetually high You seem to be working under the assumption that the majority of the Shura wants Azerbaijan to be an expansionist power. I do not believe that is the case.
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Oct 12, 2011 13:07
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Seriously, we've got christians and foreign cultures out of the wazoo. Bill of Rights is *a lot* more handy than a little more efficient diplomacy in this situation.
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Oct 12, 2011 13:10
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While I've been voting maximum tolerance this whole time... Our inflation just keeps getting worse, and 10 seems like a good place to stop it. Bill of Rights isn't really necessary at this point, given our relative lack of internal strife. Cabinet's not a bad choice, though.
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Oct 12, 2011 13:11
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The Orthodox Georgians will be an obvious fifth column in an eventual war against Russia. They should have been converted long ago, but noooo, that's not 'tolerant'. You know what's tolerant? Spreading the word of Allah to the heathens so that they to can worship the correct god and end up in paradise instead of burning forever when they die 
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Oct 12, 2011 13:14
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Actually, switching my vote from to because I hadn't realized how little time there was left to vote. We should really take National Bank next time, though, guys 
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Oct 12, 2011 13:18
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Why do I vote for the Bill of Right? Because I loving remember what happened. I was probably the loudest person rooting against Wiz in HOI2 as I wanted the monster WE created to be killed. I do not want for history to repeat itself, and neither should you. I want to be PROUD of having influenced this nation, not disgusted. Forward on the path of greater rights, Forward on a path for a greater Azerbaijan.
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Oct 12, 2011 13:20
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Honestly I would have voted C, but there's no chance of it winning, so we might as well try and make sure Poland will help us out if need be.
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Oct 12, 2011 13:24
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Those things will be needed for a smooth transition from monarchy to republic
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Oct 12, 2011 13:34
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Yeah, in gameplay terms, A is probably the least helpful. But whatever you know, this is what comes of lots of people who have no idea how to play this game voting.
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Oct 12, 2011 13:45
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Gonna have to tolerate us an Anti-Russian alliance.
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Oct 12, 2011 13:48
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Darth Windu posted:Yeah, in gameplay terms, A is probably the least helpful. But whatever you know, this is what comes of lots of people who have no idea how to play this game voting. Honestly, we're boned no matter which we choose. Wiz has taken away all the features he could use to exploit the AI, to the point where wars boil down to who can devote the most troops to the conflict. 0.05 on the inflation slider isn't going to give us enough troops to defend against Russia and the revolt risk mitigation of the bill of rights isn't going to do us any good since our non-Shia non-Azeri territories will be the first to fall. I know Wiz is going to pull it off somehow, but the next few years will be extremely painful. I voted for A because I don't like how some people in this thread are voting on how they want Azerbaijan to be 400 years in the future instead of based on current events and A is most likely to defeat them My own justification for it is that the Shura feels it needs some executive power since the Sultan is so militarily incompetent at the time of Azerbaijan's biggest crisis in living memory.
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Ironic Revolution posted:Honestly I would have voted C, but there's no chance of it winning, so we might as well try and make sure Poland will help us out if need be. If there's one thing we shouldn't tolerate, it's strategic voting. Let's have a proper preferential voting system instead of this first-past-the-post rubbish!
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