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fuf
Sep 12, 2004

haha

Baronjutter posted:

Is there any way to improve the interface at all? Like the factory screen is just this little window sitting within a huge border and you have to scroll up and down, seems like there's tons of room to expand it.

You know what, I've just realised this is my main problem with the interface on Paradox games. Having to scroll through long lists that are limited to a small part of the screen drives me crazy, it's like my brain can't process the information properly because I can't see it all at once. Being able to resize windows like that would truly be a revelation for me, but I guess it's just not possible on the engine.

Also I know everyone is busy playing Vic II but I just read all the dev diaries for East vs West and boy I am really pumped for that game now. It looks like it could be so much fun. Do we have any guesses on an ETA?

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BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Noreaus posted:

New Nations Mod for HoD is out? Yes it is!

are you serious

Fake Edit: Oh my god it is, I was looking at the old AHD thread. I'm an idiot. Oh well, time to get playing. :D

Real Edit: The brony mod still exists.
:negative:

BBJoey fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Apr 21, 2013

Carver
Jan 14, 2003

Oh hey, title event is in the game. I cut the UK down to size not long ago so I just blame them for this slander.

Quantumfate
Feb 17, 2009

Angered & displeased, he went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, insulted & cursed him with rude, harsh words.

When this was said, the Blessed One said to him:


"Motherfucker I will -end- you"


For what it's worth, I actually have a release state for a Victoria 2 HoD mod I've been putting together. It adds some new nations and re-adjusts others. Europe is pretty balkanized now, and the americas are interesting. If you want to check out some wonky alt-history stuff, here it is!

It's still a work in progress, I know. I want to clean up the OOBs and Localisations, fix political partes, work on africa some, and absolutely re-adjust pops.
Still, I think it's still playable as it is right now, and I would really love some input on it (Barring the above, which I already know needs work :v:)



Quantumfate fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Apr 21, 2013

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Quantumfate posted:

For what it's worth, I actually have a release state for a Victoria 2 HoD mod I've been putting together. It adds some new nations and re-adjusts others. Europe is pretty balkanized now, and the americas are interesting. If you want to check out some wonky alt-history stuff, here it is!

This looks quite fun, specially the North American set-up, I'll take it for a spin when I get home.

Communist Bear
Oct 7, 2008

Scotland is currently sitting at 10th in the world, which is not bad considering how stupidly small we are. All the research is set up so I can get into africa expansion as quickly as possible when the time comes. Think the only way I'm going to get to be a Great Power is probably through prestige, but i'm unsure what I could do to get prestige up.

Mirdini
Jan 14, 2012

Quantumfate posted:

For what it's worth, I actually have a release state for a Victoria 2 HoD mod I've been putting together. It adds some new nations and re-adjusts others. Europe is pretty balkanized now, and the americas are interesting. If you want to check out some wonky alt-history stuff, here it is!

Can't get enough of cool alt-history, thanks for this! I'll see if I can't get around to playing a game and replying sometime this week.

(also thanks to Youtuber for putting his scenario up too)

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


WMain00 posted:

Scotland is currently sitting at 10th in the world, which is not bad considering how stupidly small we are. All the research is set up so I can get into africa expansion as quickly as possible when the time comes. Think the only way I'm going to get to be a Great Power is probably through prestige, but i'm unsure what I could do to get prestige up.

Research cultural techs nonstop, some of the commerce techs also give small amounts of prestige. Colonies, winning battles, releasing nations, winning wars all give prestige.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

canada jezus posted:

Could someone make a baby-effort post about playing as Prussia and also army composition?

I can curb stomp austria all day every day, but i can't seem to sphere everything i need for the north german federation, or knock them out of the GP status so that it would be less of an issue. I've googled around a bit but most of the advice seems to be pre crisis stuff. Like sure i can acquire bohemia but it'll be crisis after crisis and while an easy farm is fun enough, its no fun having to fight of 3 ish great powers every few years.

Also general advice for getting the economy up would be welcome i think, for some reason the eu3 wiki was way better.

edit: Also i gather that the pop demand mod is the go to mod, but its way more of a change from vanilla than miscmods would be for eu3 right? I don't want to start really different mods till i know how to play V2 properly.

You only need to Sphere Schleswig, Hanover and Saxony to form the NGF, and Hanover drops out of Britains sphere once queen victoria takes the throne, so sometime before 1840. Saxony you can either get through knocking Austria out of GP status, or just go to war over it.

Trujillo
Jul 10, 2007
In eu3 is there a way to get vassals to actually help you put down rebels? They have military access and we're allied but they just sit there, even when the rebels are right next door. Playing as the Jalayrids and I'm up to 1500 and still a khanate. I haven't been able to reform my government yet since my last good ruler died right before I met the conditions (they always do) so I've been getting non stop rebels the whole game because of policy restrictions/incapable ruler etc. modifiers that come with being a khan. I've got about 10 decent sized vassals though and they just sit there. I've figured out that they'll help me when I'm at war but I'm running out of weak neighbors I have casus belli against to declare on when I start to get swarmed.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



That's odd, because allies with military access will usually help you out if you have rebels in a province that borders them.

canada jezus
Jul 18, 2011

Cynic Jester posted:

You only need to Sphere Schleswig, Hanover and Saxony to form the NGF, and Hanover drops out of Britains sphere once queen victoria takes the throne, so sometime before 1840. Saxony you can either get through knocking Austria out of GP status, or just go to war over it.

Yeah i finally managed it, my problem was denmark had something i needed and i messed up the first war against them (grabbed the wrong state i think) and then the uk sphered them. I couldn't out influence austria enough and taking provinces didn't really hurt them great power wise, i mean i should have gone for humiliate right from the start. Oh well, you live you learn.

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe

canada jezus posted:

Yeah i finally managed it, my problem was denmark had something i needed and i messed up the first war against them (grabbed the wrong state i think) and then the uk sphered them. I couldn't out influence austria enough and taking provinces didn't really hurt them great power wise, i mean i should have gone for humiliate right from the start. Oh well, you live you learn.

Focusing your influence one at a time on Saxony until discredited, pulling out, all into Denmark until sphered, then back to Saxony until sphered, then Hanover as soon as Victoria takes over = easy NGF by 1840 at the latest, 1839 more likely.

Remember, war with Denmark is unnecessary for NGF. Just sphere them.

Trujillo
Jul 10, 2007

Phlegmish posted:

That's odd, because allies with military access will usually help you out if you have rebels in a province that borders them.

Yeah that's what I thought too but they don't move unless I'm at war so I'm just trying to keep myself at war at all times. At one point they weren't even sitting in their own countries. I vassalized Adal and 20k troops from Oman and Najd just stood around there for years.

I think I would've wiped out every living person in my country 100 times already with how many rebels I kill and how much manpower I'm constantly losing. It's annoying never having any surplus manpower because every month is two new rebellions while my vassals do nothing.

Raneman
Dec 24, 2010

by T. Finninho
So I started a game as Belgium (My first Vicky 2 game, I only played EU3 before for about 120 hours) and it looks like I start with a massive deficit, and there is no good way to balance the budget. What's an easy way for a Vic 2 noob like me to not be in massive, crushing debt? I adjusted the sliders but nothing could overcome the massive wall of debt I started with.

shades of blue
Sep 27, 2012

Quantumfate posted:

For what it's worth, I actually have a release state for a Victoria 2 HoD mod I've been putting together. It adds some new nations and re-adjusts others. Europe is pretty balkanized now, and the americas are interesting. If you want to check out some wonky alt-history stuff, here it is!

It's still a work in progress, I know. I want to clean up the OOBs and Localisations, fix political partes, work on africa some, and absolutely re-adjust pops.
Still, I think it's still playable as it is right now, and I would really love some input on it (Barring the above, which I already know needs work :v:)





Why does America own Colombia I am confused.

Flappy Bert
Dec 11, 2011

I have seen the light, and it is a string


Also, with France, Austria, and Russia broken up, Prussia looks awfully easy to turn into Germany there.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Make Greece independent, and turn western Prussia into Westphalia.

Raneman
Dec 24, 2010

by T. Finninho
I tried a few other nations and they all go into massive deficit after 2 or 3 days before I even touch anything. Is something wrong here?

EDIT: Just played Sweden and they went bankrupt before January was over. Again I didn't do anything but start the time.

Raneman fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Apr 21, 2013

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

canada jezus posted:

Yeah i finally managed it, my problem was denmark had something i needed and i messed up the first war against them (grabbed the wrong state i think) and then the uk sphered them. I couldn't out influence austria enough and taking provinces didn't really hurt them great power wise, i mean i should have gone for humiliate right from the start. Oh well, you live you learn.

If you want to put Austria out of GP status, you have to do it early. I mean "declare war on 1 Jan 1836" early. And instead of taking provinces from them, you should be forcing them to release large nations like Hungary (their are no Austrian cores in Hungary, yet). It costs less infamy and saves you the trouble of all those crises.

Raneman posted:

I tried a few other nations and they all go into massive deficit after 2 or 3 days before I even touch anything. Is something wrong here?

Having a deficit, even going in to debt isn't a bad thing, as long as other nations will lend you money. Even if they don't, the game will automatically scale back your expenses to balance it out. It's very hard to go bankrupt unless you have outrageous expenses, like a massive navy.

Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Apr 21, 2013

Raneman
Dec 24, 2010

by T. Finninho

Fister Roboto posted:

Having a deficit, even going in to debt isn't a bad thing, as long as other nations will lend you money. Even if they don't, the game will automatically scale back your expenses to balance it out. It's very hard to go bankrupt unless you have outrageous expenses, like a massive navy.

Is every nation supposed to start with a massive deficit though? I start with some cash reserves and it all dissappears within 1 or 2 months and suddenly I get my debt from loans into the thousands.

PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Raneman posted:

So I started a game as Belgium (My first Vicky 2 game, I only played EU3 before for about 120 hours) and it looks like I start with a massive deficit, and there is no good way to balance the budget. What's an easy way for a Vic 2 noob like me to not be in massive, crushing debt? I adjusted the sliders but nothing could overcome the massive wall of debt I started with.

Raneman posted:

I tried a few other nations and they all go into massive deficit after 2 or 3 days before I even touch anything. Is something wrong here?

I've found the same thing. In general, I just have to ride out the first few years, until my finances stabilize and I start making money hand over fist.

I've also found that my military inevitably vanishes at the beginning of the game, going from enough to support all my starting brigades to about a third of that, over the first few months. That's a lot more annoying, because my military never really recovers from that, even with long periods of soldier NFs.

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

Raneman posted:

Is every nation supposed to start with a massive deficit though? I start with some cash reserves and it all dissappears within 1 or 2 months and suddenly I get my debt from loans into the thousands.

Most of them do, yeah. There are a lot less goods on the market in HoD.


PleasingFungus posted:

I've also found that my military inevitably vanishes at the beginning of the game, going from enough to support all my starting brigades to about a third of that, over the first few months. That's a lot more annoying, because my military never really recovers from that, even with long periods of soldier NFs.

They're probably all demoting into farmers, especially if you aren't doing any military spending.

Noreaus
May 22, 2008

HEY, WHAT'S HAPPENING? :)
Gunning for Industry techs, especially in the Steam Engine and Mechanical Production tracks, is massively important for getting over those difficult first few years. The Inventions connected to the Mechanical Production track can really boost your raw material production, which is very noticeable when you're strapped for cash.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
Getting all your states to 100% admin efficiency gives you a pretty big boost to tariff collection, which helps a lot for getting you into the black.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Raneman posted:

Is every nation supposed to start with a massive deficit though? I start with some cash reserves and it all dissappears within 1 or 2 months and suddenly I get my debt from loans into the thousands.

Are you doing any and all of the following:

1.) Raise all taxes to 100% across the board
2.) Lower national stockpile spending to about 50% if you aren't in a war. Can even go lower if you want to.
3.) Raise tariffs high enough to put you in the black

Also note that the estimated income in the budget screen isn't going to be your actual daily income, which is the one you see at the top of the screen.

Fall Sick and Die
Nov 22, 2003
I'm having a tough time forming Italy with Two Sicilies, I've pretty much knocked Austria out of Central Italy, but France has Sardinia and Papal States in their sphere and they keep banning me, it's impossible to get them out of the sphere, and there's no way I can win the war against them to puppet them. It's now the late 1870s and I'm colonizing Africa and trying to build up my industry, I've got Japan and Korea sphered, and I captured Lombardia in a war with Austria, but unless I can get some raw materials and population by absorbing the rest of Italy I'm afraid I'll never be much of a big player.

By the way, I've noticed something that seems a little stupid. For example, Tuscany is a member of Austria's sphere, and part of their alliance. I fought a war to puppet them, and put them into my sphere. Fought Austria, won, now they're in my sphere and functionally my puppet. There's only one problem, they're allied with Austria still. This has happened to me three times, and there seems to be no way to get them out of their relationship with Austria, despite my controlling their country completely. Am I missing some stupid "cancel alliance" option, because if not, this seems like a bit of an oversight, I can't even make an alliance with my sphered puppets.

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

Fall Sick and Die posted:

I'm having a tough time forming Italy with Two Sicilies, I've pretty much knocked Austria out of Central Italy, but France has Sardinia and Papal States in their sphere and they keep banning me, it's impossible to get them out of the sphere, and there's no way I can win the war against them to puppet them. It's now the late 1870s and I'm colonizing Africa and trying to build up my industry, I've got Japan and Korea sphered, and I captured Lombardia in a war with Austria, but unless I can get some raw materials and population by absorbing the rest of Italy I'm afraid I'll never be much of a big player.

When all else fails, I'm pretty sure the AI literally doesn't notice that you're influencing if you do it three days at a time. It didn't used to, at least.

Communist Bear
Oct 7, 2008



:smug:

Not bad considering!

Now I just need to try maintain it. Oh and I have no idea who to sphere because everyone owns everyone! :psyduck:

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

You'd think the United Kingdom would stop being that after Scotland seceded. Well I guess there's still Wales but who the gently caress cares about Wales.

Freudian
Mar 23, 2011

Fister Roboto posted:

You'd think the United Kingdom would stop being that after Scotland seceded. Well I guess there's still Wales but who the gently caress cares about Wales.

United Kingdom was only a thing after Ireland was fully incorporated in the 1801 Act of Union. Between 1707 and 1801 it was just Kingdom of Great Britain, afterward it was United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland until finally post-Irish Civil War it became United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - I'd imagine it's now United Kingdom of England and Ireland in your game.

Spiderfist Island
Feb 19, 2011
I'm pretty sure that NNM has England as a tag that the UK can revert to using a decision if it loses Scotland.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

WMain00 posted:



:smug:

Not bad considering!

Now I just need to try maintain it. Oh and I have no idea who to sphere because everyone owns everyone! :psyduck:
Congratulations! You should take a cue from AI Finland in my game and pump up your score with some capital ships. :v:


(I had nothing to do with their independence, I just noticed they had become a great power when they started loving with my sphere in Eastern Europe. I was basically just playing a super peaceful game as Germany, just chilling out in Central Europe and not bothering anyone anywhere else.)

If it wasn't because stuff like this is hilarious, the capital ship bonus should probably have a limit that was significantly lower than +100 times your army score. Alternatively, do the ships even have crews? Realistically, the soldier pops should be crewing them as well shouldn't they? Of course this could lead to ships joining a rebellion... (Please do this Paradox.)

Speaking of rebellions at sea, the Austrian navy threw the Hungarians they were transporting overboard off the coast of Denmark (since Hungary rebelled) in my previous game, and the army was just stuck there, in the middle of the ocean. I ended up switching over to the Hungarians and deleting it, but this can hardly be working as intended?

A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Apr 21, 2013

Raneman
Dec 24, 2010

by T. Finninho
What's a nice nation I can take in an 1836 start and turn into an industrial powerhouse? I managed to do very well with Belgium but it was kind of small and there was no room to push around my neighbors.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Raneman posted:

What's a nice nation I can take in an 1836 start and turn into an industrial powerhouse? I managed to do very well with Belgium but it was kind of small and there was no room to push around my neighbors.

Brazil is pretty much perfect for this, to a lesser extent Argentina (and a much lesser extent, Colombia->Gran Colombia). It'll take you a bit to get on your own two feet and you won't be an industrial powerhouse until later in the game, but you've got good immigrant attraction and the largest population in South America. You want neighbors to push around? Look no further than your fellow Latin American republics, who are very rarely sphered by anyone (sometimes the US will grab one of you but usually not until late game).

Otherwise if you want to stick to Europe, do Prussia or Austria.

Necroneocon
May 12, 2009

by Shine
Is there a screen that shows which states in your country produces x goods? Also is there a way to NOT loan money to other countries because in my Argentina game last night almost everyone who "borrowed" money from me went bankrupt and claimed they didn't owe me anything, giving me a casus belli against them except they were tiny countries in Europe I never knew existed that were not only extremely far away, but were protected by Great Powers so it was useless.

Also has anyone ever made a list of countries and what RGOs they have? Argentina was really bad for me. It didn't go well, at all.

At the end of the game, two of the great powers were The Chinese Empire and what I am guessing was a split from the Chinese Empire, it was like Yung Xiang, I can't remember. Also the People's Worker Commonwealth of Great Britain made it.

It was a pretty nifty although frustrating learning experience for me overall since I figured out how factories worked in the late 1900s and also how to get more brigades for soldiers among other silly, silly, silly things.


edit: For the post above: The US and Communist Britain sphered all of us in South America, and this was mid/early-ish too because I was looking for places to take over until I realized they had a Big Brother named Great Power backing them.

I don't suggest Argentina because their NGOs stink, pick Japan or a Euro nation.

Necroneocon fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Apr 21, 2013

PBJ
Oct 10, 2012

Grimey Drawer

ZearothK posted:

That's an impressive Arabia there, unless the newest NNM changed the color of the Islamic Caliphate. Did the AI accomplish that on their own?

Yeah. Prussia and myself backed Egypt in the Oriental Crisis (first time I've ever seen that happen), and Egypt went on a conquering spree for the next few decades.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Drone posted:

Otherwise if you want to stick to Europe, do Prussia or Austria.
Yeah, Prussia -> Germany is basically the thing to do if you want to be a real industrial powerhouse in Europe. Plenty of useful resources within Germany itself, and France has some more you can take when you're going for Alsace anyway. That has the added bonus of weakening the French, reducing the risk of them declaring war on you at in inopportune time. If you're playing a mod that includes the option of Austria joining Germany, those territories really help out as well. (Or you can just take them anyway.)

I was lucky enough in my second Prussia game in NNM that the Austrians decided they should totally join Germany (as I had put them in my sphere by the time I was ready to form Germany), and I went for the option of taking all their territory, not just the core Austrian part. That got me cores on every Austrian, Czech and Slovene province, along with giving me control of all the territories the Austrians start out with except for two Hungarian states. Unsurprisingly, that territory allowed me to become the number one industrial power. (A score of about 10k to the runner up Americans with 7.5k)

Speaking of industrial power, has HoD changed anything about the factory screen? It's kind of annoying having to upgrade each factory individually*, would be fantastic if there was a button that could upgrade every factory at once, like you can subsidize them all at once. (I guess perhaps it should be limited to provinces with unemployment, and profitable factories with enough input.)

*Especially when your pops grow at about 150k a month, makes it hard to keep up with the upgrading!

Raneman
Dec 24, 2010

by T. Finninho

A Buttery Pastry posted:

*Especially when your pops grow at about 150k a month, makes it hard to keep up with the upgrading!
That pop growth is insane, how would you get that high?

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Flappy Bert
Dec 11, 2011

I have seen the light, and it is a string


If you hold down shift when you click to upgrade a factory, it upgrades every factory close to its employment limit.

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