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sniper4625 posted:If we are all making unreasonable demands because A won, then as Chief Minister of the Cabinet, I demand that all Sultans delegate all future power to the Shura, or perhaps some representative body comprised of elected officials from the provinces. 
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As the elected minister of Crimea, I demand that the Sultan feeds us to the Russian Bear. We want to get out of this train wreck while we can.
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Oct 13, 2011 19:34
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frankenfreak posted:If it's delegated to the Shura, it should be organized into groups of people who especially care about a certain aspect of the nation. One for the military, one for trade, one for buildings, one for religion and one for the provinces, representing not only regional nobles and their concerns, but the will of all the people. That sounds like an efficient model that nothing should go wrong with. I like this man. Let's do that.
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KnoxZone posted:As the elected minister of Crimea, I demand that the Sultan feeds us to the Russian Bear. We want to get out of this train wreck while we can. As Minister For Pretty Borders, I second this motion.
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Oct 13, 2011 19:44
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I told you you missed 2 A votes. Vindication! Wrap it up, countailure.
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Oct 13, 2011 19:45
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frankenfreak posted:If it's delegated to the Shura, it should be organized into groups of people who especially care about a certain aspect of the nation. One for the military, one for trade, one for buildings, one for religion and one for the provinces, representing not only regional nobles and their concerns, but the will of all the people. That sounds like an efficient model that nothing should go wrong with. Ugh, Crete was terrible, and this thread is good. Lets keep it that way.
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frankenfreak posted:If it's delegated to the Shura, it should be organized into groups of people who especially care about a certain aspect of the nation. One for the military, one for trade, one for buildings, one for religion and one for the provinces, representing not only regional nobles and their concerns, but the will of all the people. That sounds like an efficient model that nothing should go wrong with. Təsdiqləmə Joe, Minister of Flags and National Symbols
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Mrit posted:Ugh, Crete was terrible, and this thread is good. Lets keep it that way. Crete was pretty much the best LP ever. Doesn't mean this one has to be exactly the same, not that anyone was suggesting it should be because it was a joke.
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The Saurus posted:Crete was pretty much the best LP ever. Doesn't mean this one has to be exactly the same, not that anyone was suggesting it should be because it was a joke. Crete was infighting and complaining and the gooniest goons that ever existed rolled into one annoying package. Even Wiz's excellent storytelling abilities weren't able to keep my interest over all the white noise. Edit: But for content(and spelling corrections), I love this LP, and I'm excited to play the eventual Wizmod 2.0. Mrit fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Oct 13, 2011 19:51
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Mrit posted:Wiz's excellent storytelling abilities weren't able to keep my internet over all the white noise. I wish you hadn't gotten it back afterwards.
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Oct 13, 2011 19:53
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Mrit posted:Crete was infighting and complaining and the gooniest goons that ever existed rolled into one annoying package. Even Wiz's excellent storytelling abilities weren't able to keep my internet over all the white noise. Gooniest goons that ever existed? Really? Really?
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BklynBruzer posted:Gooniest goons that ever existed? Really? Yes.
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Oct 13, 2011 19:56
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Mrit posted:Ugh, Crete was terrible, and this thread is good. Lets keep it that way. RP bickering is fun. Serious whining about something in response to a joke is really dumb.
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Oct 13, 2011 19:57
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Proletarian posted:Yes. Sorry, no. I direct you to LF, ADTRW, E/N, etc.
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Oct 13, 2011 20:01
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Eiba posted:RP bickering is fun. Serious whining about something in response to a joke is really dumb. This is the best rule to follow. If you want to whine, pick some RP issue so that it's not really awkward and pathetic looking. Speaking of which, in your face tolerators! First diplomats, next time - Missionaries!
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The Saurus posted:This is the best rule to follow. If you want to whine, pick some RP issue so that it's not really awkward and pathetic looking. Okay. "Fellow senators, I implore you to..." No wait, that's horrible also. Anyways, I will stop the thread disruption. Mrit fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Oct 13, 2011 20:05
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We're never getting missionaries, ever. Bill of Rights will probably be next, unless we get something better.
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The Saurus posted:I told you you missed 2 A votes. If this missing votes were from the automatic spreadsheet, I must take all the blame. There were glaring errors in the code that made the error rate shoot through the roof: 6 errors in 226 total votes, or 2,7%. Unacceptable. The newest new version of the spreadsheet only missed Rutkowski's vote, because he never posted the icon. It also helped identify the 1 vote Sniper missed in his hand count, and corrected the total votes for C. I'm looking forward to the next session, where you goons will surely find new, weird, unpredicted ways to cast your votes and screw up the automatic counting! And crete was beautiful 
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The Saurus posted:This is the best rule to follow. If you want to whine, pick some RP issue so that it's not really awkward and pathetic looking. There is some kind of horrible irony in this statement, mister. Going by how many people are participating in the voting, this is clearly a more popular approach to the LP forum in general; in the last days of the Crete thread, active participants dwindled to fewer than 50 at the best of times (sometimes far fewer), whereas we currently have over 200 people voting. In any case there is no point debating whether or not this thread should become an awesome RP-intensive political game, because Wiz has explicitly said it won't be that, more than once. We will occasionally vote as the Shura but that's it. No parties.
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Snipee posted:But why are the lower classes suddenly so angry? Our country is perfectly stable and content right now. There is no urgency. It would make more sense if there are food riots or we just lost a war or if we're overtaxing the subjects or something, but I don't see the radicals showing up while people are still happy. Furthermore, the bourgeoisie have little or no reason to support the rights of the lower classes. If the ruling elite could get away with just ceding rights to the growing merchant class, then they would. EvanSchenck posted:This makes a great deal of sense in the context of the time, because at that time in history there were often parallel and sometimes overlapping legal codes and justice systems. This would especially be a problem for Azerbaijan, because it's a heterogeneous state that grants a large degree of autonomy and toleration to minority communities. In that sense the Bill of Rights NI would be less like the Magna Carta and more like a comprehensive legal reform a la Suleiman I Kanuni. The explanation for it wouldn't be that there was a pressing need for it, but just that our current Sultan, with his high administration and diplomacy scores, was the kind of man to do a job that needed doing. EvanSchenck is really on the money here. Truth be told, I'm better acquainted with the Enlightenment and modern history than I am with Medieval/Renaissance, so when I hear Bill of Rights I start thinking of classic liberal revolutions and the like.  I would maintain that much of my arguments still apply, but only in a couple of centuries.
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Leperflesh posted:Going by how many people are participating in the voting, this is clearly a more popular approach to the LP forum in general; in the last days of the Crete thread, active participants dwindled to fewer than 50 at the best of times (sometimes far fewer), whereas we currently have over 200 people voting. The last days of the crete thread were pretty much unreadably terrible. (edit) So please don't do that to this thread.
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Oct 13, 2011 20:21
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sniper4625 posted:We're never getting missionaries, ever. Bill of Rights will probably be next, unless we get something better. Bill of rights is kindof boring though. I'm holding out hope for Azeri-Napoleon who comes along and successfully invades Russia and forges a single nation state. We can have bill of rights then. Seriously, if we don't integrate the Georgians they are going to be so nationalist in a few centuries, especially with Russia stirring poo poo up and convincing them to rise against us 
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sniper4625 posted:...then as Chief Minister of the Cabinet, I... I'm sorry, but this will have to be decided with votes.  Also Crete was the best by the time of the Second Republic. Everyone that cared just got tired of it by the end. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Oct 13, 2011 20:23
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The Saurus posted:Bill of rights is kindof boring though. I'm holding out hope for Azeri-Napoleon who comes along and successfully invades Russia and forges a single nation state. We can have bill of rights then. The Georgians are probably the least of our worries. They've been under our heel for a good while now, the entire ethnic group is under us and we've a long history with them. Now the Crimeans are new, we've barely had any contact with them before we conquered them and there's a whole nation of the same ethnic group above them. They are also separated by water, albeit a small amount. This is why tolerance is very important to our state. And pretty borders.
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I'd say the Kurds and Muslim Armenians are the least of our worries, since they have the same religion and wilfully joined our nation. After that I'd go for the Alanians, who we have ruled for longest, the Jews, who don't really have the force behind them to make a successful bid for independence, and then the Georgians. So what you mean is, the georgians are the second-most of our problems, not the least, after the crimeans. They might be happy now, but beware of the nationalism that tends to happen later in the game and especially in Vicky.
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The Saurus posted:I'd say the Kurds and Muslim Armenians are the least of our worries, since they have the same religion and wilfully joined our nation. After that I'd go for the Alanians, who we have ruled for longest, the Jews, who don't really have the force behind them to make a successful bid for independence, and then the Georgians. Well, yeah. But I don't consider the others problems. They are our loyal subjects and have never seemed to cause much trouble. I'd be surprised to see them rebel in any force.
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The Saurus posted:Bill of rights is kindof boring though. I'm holding out hope for Azeri-Napoleon who comes along and successfully invades Russia and forges a single nation state. We can have bill of rights then. Bill of Rights isn't boring. Total conversion is boring. Instead of a monolithic Shi'a Azeri state, the religious/cultural rainbow that we have come to represent is more interesting and exciting. And besides it wouldn't be any sort of Napoleon if he succeeded in invading Russia.
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Oct 13, 2011 20:44
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Both are boring. Let's just fight and force Wiz to live with something in between those two.
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YF-23 posted:And besides it wouldn't be any sort of Napoleon if he succeeded in invading Russia. The Azeri version would obviously be superior.
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Oct 13, 2011 20:46
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Wiz is really, really good at this. Therefore, there are no boring options.
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Mrit posted:Crete was infighting and complaining and the gooniest goons that ever existed rolled into one annoying package. Even Wiz's excellent storytelling abilities weren't able to keep my interest over all the white noise. As someone who came to the thread late the biggest complaint that I had about Crete was that for a newcomer all of that text was both intimidating and nearly impossible to catch up with. That said, some of the stuff there was really funny, and watching the senators convince themselves that such a pants-on-head retarded idea like the infamous "WALLS ARE USELESS!!!" law was hilarious. And the mythos that built up around a group of childish, forever pointlessly bickering immortals was really great. So I don't mind a little RPing on this thread, especially since Wiz is handling most of the major decisions and there's not really a chance for us to go full-Crete.
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This is slightly off-topic, but I feel the need to share this hilarity. I was reading the local news and found this headline: Exceptionally clear message for Finland: "Populists! "
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I must admit that I don't like the RP talk and for that very reason I never wanted Azerbaijan to become a republic so early. I think if this becomes RP heavy I'll just sit out the 'debates' and just vote later on and read the lovely updates by Wiz. You silly Rp'ers won't influence my vote.
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Herr Tog posted:I must admit that I don't like the RP talk and for that very reason I never wanted Azerbaijan to become a republic so early. I think if this becomes RP heavy I'll just sit out the 'debates' and just vote later on and read the lovely updates by Wiz. You silly Rp'ers won't influence my vote. The only difference is degree.
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Excitedly checked thread because of 43 new posts. Everyone stop posting until Wiz puts out a new update. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Eiba posted:I've got bad news for you. If you consider Wiz's Azerbaijan to be a country rather than some sort of puzzle in an abstract game, you're already an RPer. You seem to be inferring rather a lot from a paltry amount of information. Dirt Worshipper posted:Excitedly checked thread because of 43 new posts. Everyone stop posting until Wiz puts out a new update. 'Kay.
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Dirt Worshipper posted:Excitedly checked thread because of 43 new posts. Everyone stop posting until Wiz puts out a new update. This is why we need to do away with democracy.
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I hope Wiz has one of his sultans or a revolution or whatever massacre the Shura- then it's replaced with a parliament that we continue to vote in, of course.
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Wiz You can Beat Russia I have faith in you. As Minister of Gold reserves I propose we hire a powerful general since our sultan ain't doing it.
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Dirt Worshipper posted:Excitedly checked thread because of 43 new posts. Everyone stop posting until Wiz puts out a new update. The worse the thread, the more often Wiz updates to give us something else to talk about.
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