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This whole oil price downturn thing is somewhat amusing to me since I know someone who took an oil industry job. I've been suggesting ever since they got the job that they should go get a financial advisor and put a lot of it away since you never know when the next bust might hit. Instead they've been all  and I'm going to have to resist saying "I told you so" in a few months if this keeps up. History is so easily forgotten when times are good.
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Number19 posted:This whole oil price downturn thing is somewhat amusing to me since I know someone who took an oil industry job. I've been suggesting ever since they got the job that they should go get a financial advisor and put a lot of it away since you never know when the next bust might hit. "Put as much money as you can away" is pretty good advice for anyone at any point in their life, mind you. Every Canadian would do well to remember that, boom or bust, energy industry or not.
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Dec 9, 2014 17:59
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A lethal dose of morphine isn't that expensive though. You shouldn't have to save for very long, even if it is a McJob.
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Dec 9, 2014 18:03
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PT6A posted:"Put as much money as you can away" is pretty good advice for anyone at any point in their life, mind you. Every Canadian would do well to remember that, boom or bust, energy industry or not. Oh definitely. In this case they were making way more than their living expenses and instead of putting it away for a rainy day they bought new trucks and hot tubs. E: also my point of getting an advisor was also important. A lot of people are bad at managing their money and especially bad at managing large amounts of it. Hire someone who is good at it and let them worry about it IMO.
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Dec 9, 2014 18:07
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sliderule posted:A lethal dose of morphine isn't that expensive though. You shouldn't have to save for very long, even if it is a McJob. Then why haven't you killed yourself yet? Too useless to save up the money?
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Dec 9, 2014 18:10
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Kafka Esq. posted:Whenever I hear this fact, I wonder how it was different back in Liberal days. Does that data exist? I don't know why our news organisations insist on not presenting data in a useful format, but cobbling together a few sources: Liberal budgets 2002-2003 111 mil 2003-2004 70 mil 2004-2005 50 mil* 2005-2006 41 mil* Conservative budgets 2006-2007 87 mil 2007-2008 84 mil 2008-2009 80 mil* 2009-2010 136 mil [Economic Action! Plan] 2010-2011 83 mil* 2011-2012 79 mil 2012-2013 69 mil *years in which government ad spending was halted for part of the year because of an election
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Dec 9, 2014 18:10
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Pinterest Mom posted:I don't know why our news organisations insist on not presenting data in a useful format, but cobbling together a few sources: Those Action Plan! billboards were made to last, the one down the street that teenagers keep knocking over, drawing on, pissing on, and trying to light on fire is still chugging along! It may take a few days for workers to give a gently caress to put it back up, but by God it's still going strong 
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Dec 9, 2014 18:15
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Kafka Esq. posted:Whenever I hear this fact, I wonder how it was different back in Liberal days. Does that data exist? Well played.
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Dec 9, 2014 18:27
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Political Whores posted:Then why haven't you killed yourself yet? Too useless to save up the money? I'm not of retirement age yet. Wouldn't want to dip into my savings too early.
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Dec 9, 2014 18:41
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Things Canadians don't value: freedom of expression, democracy. e: Freedom of association too, I forgot that one. Reince Penis has issued a correction as of 19:00 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Dec 9, 2014 18:56
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gently caress the beer store
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Dec 9, 2014 19:02
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Ikantski posted:Well played.
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Dec 9, 2014 19:04
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A chant heard across Ontario since time immemorial.
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Dec 9, 2014 19:06
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More like gently caress both the Liberal and PC parties.
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Dec 9, 2014 19:12
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If only we had a third party 
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Dec 9, 2014 19:22
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Professor Shark posted:If only we had a third party If only they were any better when they got in power. It's almost like striving for and achieving power requires a lot of money and a loosening of your values to get that money.
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Dec 9, 2014 19:24
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Kafka Esq. posted:I actually think you're drawing meaning out of that I didn't intend. The Conservatives ARE spending what feels like a lot, but maybe it's not in the context of history. I looked through the report by the Central Advertising Fund and didn't really see an egregious pattern, except maybe that the Cons are advertising a lot of programs that do not exist yet (although most likely will be passed in the next budget). Sorry about that. To be honest though, you really couldn't have worded a facetious reference to the Liberal ad scandal much better than that.
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Just to pile on "Albertans are really dumb" bandwagon: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/dental-decay-rampant-in-calgary-children-pediatric-dentist-says-1.2864413 Cavity rates soaring in Calgary after they removed fluoride. Also I'm currently arguing with a NDP staffer who says any crack-downs on dangerous driving or even basic enforcement of driving rules is a "serious social justice issue" and the government should never take anyone's license away because what if a single mom can't pick up her kids or get to work? Literally no dangerous driving is too bad to take someone off the road because "social justice issues" and he says instead of enforcement we just need "free education programs" but you can't take them off the road for even a day because what if they get fired??? He's making out anyone who wants higher driver's licensing standards to be a "tough on crime" conservative who wants all poor people fired from their jobs and old people left to die alone because they can't drive to get their medicine. This dude is like the perfect straw-man caricature of everything people hate or accuse the NDP of doing. And he's actually involved in campaign planning and poo poo... Baronjutter has issued a correction as of 20:29 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Dec 9, 2014 20:18
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It's almost as if provincial court judges and JPs need some kind of discretionary power when sentencing people to make sure that they are always working in the best interests of justice as a whole.quote:Cavities are a common sight on the Alex Dental Health Bus, said Denise Kokaram who runs the program. Water fluoridation definitely does help children's dental health, but if these are kids' families can't afford dental care then I'm going to guess they can't afford a balanced diet either.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:30
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Ikantski posted:Sorry about that. To be honest though, you really couldn't have worded a facetious reference to the Liberal ad scandal much better than that. Raising the amount of spending to run hockey game ads about how good your current government is by forty million a year for eight years is a different story. edit: Source:
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Dec 9, 2014 20:37
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Did you miss the post I made earlier  2005-2006 was an odd year, because the government did no spending for nearly three months because of the long election.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:39
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It's still wise to keep in mind that the Sponsorship Scandal was all over $3M in misspent funds. That's not to say that it wasn't corrupt, or that nothing should have been done about it, but still. We spent way more money just figuring out exactly how much had been misspent. In terms of an actual dollar figure, the program itself wasn't that big of a deal.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Don't parents give their kids fluoride drops anymore? Or is that tantamount to child abuse because its not "natural"
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Dec 9, 2014 20:55
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Cultural Imperial posted:Don't parents give their kids fluoride drops anymore? Or is that tantamount to child abuse because its not "natural" No, because reasonable municipalities include fluoride in their water.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:58
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Cultural Imperial posted:Don't parents give their kids fluoride drops anymore? Or is that tantamount to child abuse because its not "natural" I've never even heard of these.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:59
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Pinterest Mom posted:2005-2006 was an odd year, because the government did no spending for nearly three months because of the long election. quote:During the 2005-2006 fiscal year, the Government of Canada spent $41.3 million on advertising campaigns and public notices. By comparison, $49.5 million was spent in 2004-2005.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:02
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Kafka Esq. posted:You're right, I could have been going for a Liberal-Tory-Same-Old-Story thing but I legitimately wanted to examine authorized federal spending voted on by our representatives, instead of harkening back to a few million doled out by a crony almost two decades ago. I mean, that's basically the same level as the in-and-out Conservative scheme to defraud taxpayers. Federal Conservatives (using pintmom's figures) 2011-2012 79 mil $2.20 per capita 2012-2013 69 mil $1.90 per capita If only there were some Liberals currently governing tens of millions of people we could compare that to and make them look like filthy propagandists... Ontario Provincial Liberals (AGO figures) 2011-2012 34 mil $2.26 per capita 2012-2013 30 mil $2.00 per capita poo poo. PittTheElder posted:It's still wise to keep in mind that the Sponsorship Scandal was all over $3M in misspent funds. That's not to say that it wasn't corrupt, or that nothing should have been done about it, but still. We spent way more money just figuring out exactly how much had been misspent. In terms of an actual dollar figure, the program itself wasn't that big of a deal. You're like the people defending Mike Duffy but on the other side.
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Baronjutter posted:Just to pile on "Albertans are really dumb" bandwagon: Who couldn't have seen that one coming? Another monumentally loving stupid decision from our city council, all adding to the pile of evidence that everyone on council is literally mentally handicapped. They probably have to hire some poor bastard to clean all the loving drool out of the council chamber after meetings. I don't know how we arrived at this gaggle of morons, but they sure are impressively stupid.
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Baronjutter posted:Just to pile on "Albertans are really dumb" bandwagon: The comments section seems to offer proof of the "Albertans are really dumb" trope. Thanks Obama.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:25
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Full figures since 02-03 budget. 2012-2013 69.0 2011-2012 78.5 2010-2011 83.3 2009-2010 136.3 2008-2009 79.5
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Baronjutter posted:I've never even heard of these. It's a rural thing. Pre and perinatal nurses used to advise parents about the drops if they were on a well. But with cutbacks we probably don't have those nurses anymore, but we do have dumbshit city officials listening to people in tinfoil hats.
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Baudin posted:No, because reasonable municipalities include fluoride in their water. Nearly the entirety of Quebec's cities don't despite the provincial government offering funding for municipalities that want to fluoride their water. We're kinda dumb I guess.
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Heavy neutrino posted:Nearly the entirety of Quebec's cities don't despite the provincial government offering funding for municipalities that want to fluoride their water. We're kinda dumb I guess. What's the tooth decay rate there compared to Calgary?
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Baudin posted:No, because reasonable municipalities include fluoride in their water. It feels like this will never not be the right answer to questions around water fluoridation.
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flakeloaf posted:Water fluoridation definitely does help children's dental health, but if these are kids' families can't afford dental care then I'm going to guess they can't afford a balanced diet either. Yeah and if we're going to tut-tut over people not paying attention to science, then maybe waiting until the actual study on dental health impacts comes out in the spring would be a good idea rather than relying on anecdotal evidence which is what that article was full of.
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Heavy neutrino posted:Nearly the entirety of Quebec's cities don't despite the provincial government offering funding for municipalities that want to fluoride their water. We're kinda dumb I guess. I remember in elementary school in Montreal, we used to get fluoride packs, kind of like Capri Sun, we would swish around in our mouths a few times a year. Every single kid hated them because they tasted terrible and we were warned not to swallow any. Every kid, if they had a choice, would have chosen fluoridated tap water.
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Meat Recital posted:I remember in elementary school in Montreal, we used to get fluoride packs, kind of like Capri Sun, we would swish around in our mouths a few times a year. Every single kid hated them because they tasted terrible and we were warned not to swallow any. Every kid, if they had a choice, would have chosen fluoridated tap water. I grew up in the countryside - this definitely rings a bell.
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So how bout those open nominations, guys http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/b-c-sikhs-quit-liberals-to-protest-justin-trudeau-s-star-candidate-1.2866343 quote:In an embarrassing blow to Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau, a large group of Sikh Liberals in British Columbia is quitting the party, saying Trudeau is being "manipulated" by Sikhs under the banner of the World Sikh Organization.
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Also just in case anyone had any illusions about our stance on carbon emissions, let me be very clear on this point: http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/harper-and-the-oil-patch-honesty-is-the-only-policy/quote:“Frankly, Mr. Speaker, under the current circumstances of the oil and gas sector, it would be crazy, it would be crazy economic policy to do unilateral penalties on that sector. We’re clearly not going to do that,” Harper told the House as Conservative MPs roared their approval. “In fact, nobody in the world is regulating their oil and gas sector. I’d be delighted if they did. Canada will be there with them.” Paul Wells posted:So. The feds have been promising oil and gas regulations for seven years, while periodically insisting they could produce no such regulations without U.S. co-operation. They have also refused to seek such co-operation, while refusing to follow up on helpful U.S. unilateral action. (By “helpful,” of course, I mean “action that would seem helpful if anyone felt like constraining the carbon emissions of the oil and gas sector. Like, hypothetically.”)
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