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Jonny Nox: Apr 26, 2008

From the Fantasy Flight Runewars preview

http://fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=1004&epan=1#inicio

darkkami posted:

Um. Okay. I guess. Corey, if you read this you need to talk to Eric Lang. He has the right idea. Keep it simple.

Most games use the 6 sided dice, because people are familiar with them from Risk and Axis and Allies. Starcraft was a HUGE name so it was able to get away with trying out a new card combat system.

Why do the stats remain low and do only "one measly damage"? It keeps combat fast. A good example is a comparison of Magic and Yugioh. Magic uses simple low number values and keeps the game somewhat simple. Yugioh has each card with rediculous number values and each card has it's own unique effect.
There are better ways to show mass damage and keeping your goal of fast combat. Such as saying each figure represents a force and not one guy.

I think being forced to end war when realistically wars are not just 5 rounds, though I am sure some of our service men and women would like that, is just unrealistic for a vision that is supposed to simulate the "shades of grey" in real wars. Forced routing is bogus to me also. The only time units retreat in battle is if they are not trained soldiers or if the leader sounds the retreat. When I think of Runewars, I hope my army is a band of Spartans and not puny Argonauts. Spartans fight until I tell them to make a tactical retreat.

Finally I hope the next preview of combat shows that a necromancer can summon undead based on a "cooldown" that represents mana supply and not a random card draw, since you want "necromancers to feel like necromancers".

On a side note, when I observe my opponents' conflicts I don't "twiddle my thumbs". I am looking for weak points for my next move that will put me on top.

I loved Warrior Knights, but I am getting a little worried that you are trying too hard with this game instead of relaxing and letting the ideas flow into it. Being original is great when you keep it simple.

I am sure others will disagree with me and buy the game anyways. So just consider this future advice for anyone reading this. If you don't believe me then run a poll like I did at your local game store. Make sure to poll everyone and not just gamers. I did this and found that out of 186 people polled that week, about 73% of people polled prefer dice over cards. 87% will take traditional six sides instead of other many faced dice. 67% of the people who prefer dice said that they are familiar with the six sided dice system so it made the game less alien to them.

Maybe FFG can ignore those numbers, but if you are planning on creating a new game and want it to be successful as a freelancer then I suggest keeping those numbers in mind.

So the developer goes into his vision for the game, about how using a card based system allowed him to make a game with varied combat resolution that plays in about half the time of TI3. 5th response? :arge: NO! My DIIIIICE!

also: Bonus stupid arguments, non-applicable example, bullshit "poll", and Verisimilitude groan. Boardgamers, you have your grognard

# ? Dec 21, 2009 19:30

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# ? May 24, 2024 01:03

Megaman's Jockstrap: Jul 16, 2000; What a horrible thread to have a post.

Not Your Typical Grognard (but still a loving grognard, literally)

Here's a pretty interesting one. Took the liberty of underlining the most egrerious grognard goodness.

quote:

I can only live with a house full of Type 3.5 books so much longer. My rapidly levelling-up players have begun to creep around the Player's Handbook and ask unsettling questions like "What's a skill point"? I fear soon they will all want a level in Demonborne Fleshtoucher or some poo poo. Plus the original books look so
much cooler lying around your house. I am soon to re-acquire the AD&D books.

...

So, Type Mongrel:

-You can be whatever class or race from whatever type D&D you want. Except, for obvious reasons, any kind of bard.

-Experience point awards and levelling-up will be as 3.5. No x.p. for traps.

-Beholders will appear to be spherical eye-ball monsters rather than the deformed product of a night of incautious passion between a bell pepper and the Kree Supreme Intelligence.

-To hit and AC will be as AD&D so I can use the chart.

-Hit points, damage, and ability-score bonuses will be as 3.5--except the base-attack bonus, which won't exist (melee and missile bonuses will).

-# of spells and class abilities will be as AD&D except what anybody's already got when we make the switch at the beginning of the game.

-Thieves will have whatever skills (a "skill" was/is interpreted as the privilege of re-rolling a failed ability score check roll to do the relevant thing--that is if you have "climb" you can roll twice on your strength to climb a rope and use the best result) they had from 3.5 before the switch + normal AD&D pick locks, find traps, etc. chances. However, no new skills may be acquired after that unless you can make a really good case for it or are exceptionally attractive.

-No feats, skills are only for thieves.

...

-You can use any weapon or armor you've already got, but unless you're a fighter you can't just pick up any old new weapon or armor once the switch happens and expect to be good at using-/moving in- it.

-Racial bonuses will be 3.5. Gnomes will be treated as dwarves, only midwestern and possibly homosexual. Dark elves will not get a level-modifier for purposes of calculating x.p. because I forgot and accidentally levelled Frankie up early and, hey, considering how new she is to all this and how she almost ket the party get TPK'd twice due to having forgotten her Drow's once-per-day abilities, I think it's ok to handicap her a bit.

The catch is that this grognard is actually a porn star, and is running a campaign with his porn-star co-stars. So basically you've got a bunch of chicks learning D&D from a guy who thinks that his AD&D-3.5e smashup is a good idea.

http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/ (seems pretty work safe, if a little dodgy)

At least it's not the typical grognard situation.

# ? Dec 21, 2009 19:40

The General: Mar 4, 2007

^ Where's the list of players? I want to know if my favourite porn stars play D&D :swoon:

Jonny Nox posted:

Boardgamers, you have your grognard

Actually, there's quite a few Grognards on boardgame geek. They're grognarding it up on Axis and Allies Pacific 1940.

Basically a new version of A&A that costs almost $100 that is of really lovely quality, lacking enough pieces to play properly, and does include fake money or an alternative making it unplayable out of the box. The grognards are mostly saying "It's fine! Just steal components from your other 30 copies of A&A!"

Though I'm not sure what the gently caress this is.

quote:

Gentlemen, this banter is all fine and good. If some thinks a new version is junk that is their personal opinion. I have been playing Axis and Allies since the first MB version was released and still own an orignal 1st generation copy. Now to give some ideas to reslove your conflict over this. One join the miltary and see what it is really like. I am a 30 plus years military vet. True hardcore AA fan buys them all and uses components from all his games to enhance the play.
AA boards are on the small size and stacking is a problem no matter which one you play on. If you are disatified lay down $120.00 to Peaugus Games for the Mother of, biggest and baddest of all WWII games. The designer calls it Axis and Allies on Steroids. All of the playing pieces are WWII minatures using the Germans for all nations. No USA, UK, IJN, USSR units in the game at all just Germans in the Axis and Allied colors. I spoke with its creator and he said it would have cost almost $300.00 a game if he had put in every nations units in authentic playing pieces. So no game is 100 percent perfect. Of all the Axis and Allied games you could ever buy this thing is massive. If you buy one you will see a significant difference. The board I use is hard mounted and over 6ft by 3 ft no joke! The others I drag out of storage when I want a light war game. How many of you have actual minatures of Maus, 88mm Flaks, SDKFZ 251-1s, Tiger E1s, King Tigers, StugIIIs, Nashorns, Wespes and Hummels, JS II, JS III ect.. in your games or actual Zero, Val, Kate and Judys, Spitefires, B-29s, He-111s, M-26 Pershings, Comets? How about you think hum I have four or five different versions why don't I take the best from each game and create my own AA game. You can use chips from any version and IPCs from the older games. I hand paint everything From Warships to factories in authenic WW II camo, such as 8th Army, Afrika Korps, IJN, USN, RN, German Wermatcht, SS, Red Guards ect.. So gentlemen to each their own. I requested a copy for Christmas of the new Axis and Allies Pacific 1940 edition and made sure that the buyer would have to pay no more $70.00 including shipping. Again I will take the best from it and add them to my massive and growing AA minatures collection which some are metal and over 30 years old.

The General fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 21, 2009

# ? Dec 21, 2009 19:41

Ashenai: Oct 5, 2005; You taught me language;
and my profit on't
Is, I know how to curse.

quote:

Gnomes will be treated as dwarves, only midwestern and possibly homosexual.

How did you not underline this? :psyduck:

# ? Dec 21, 2009 20:16

Yoshimo: Oct 5, 2003; Fleet of foot, and all that!

Do you think it should be legal to shoot anyone who still calls them "Thieves?"

# ? Dec 21, 2009 20:20

crime fighting hog: Jun 29, 2006; I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Ashenai posted:

How did you not underline this?

What the gently caress does that mean, midwestern and homosexual? I'm from Nebraska and those things don't really go together.

# ? Dec 21, 2009 20:31

NinjaDebugger: Apr 22, 2008

crime fighting hog posted:

What the gently caress does that mean, midwestern and homosexual? I'm from Nebraska and those things don't really go together.

Been to Iowa lately?

# ? Dec 21, 2009 20:35

crime fighting hog: Jun 29, 2006; I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

gently caress no.

# ? Dec 21, 2009 20:37

NinjaDebugger: Apr 22, 2008

crime fighting hog posted:

gently caress no.

Well there's your problem then. Nebraska looks a whole lot more gay when you're in Iowa.

# ? Dec 21, 2009 20:49

crime fighting hog: Jun 29, 2006; I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

NinjaDebugger posted:

Well there's your problem then. Nebraska looks a whole lot more gay when you're in Iowa.

NE wouldn't look more gay to a state that has gay marriage. It's still illegal here. Goddam homasexuls

# ? Dec 21, 2009 20:55

GottaPayDaTrollToll: Dec 3, 2009; by Lowtax

Fuego Fish posted:

Nah it'd just allow you to fetch items from it as a free action or something, probably vv

A minuscule portion of anything you've ever eaten, perhaps.

# ? Dec 21, 2009 21:25

Fuego Fish: Dec 5, 2004; By tooth and claw!

GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:

A minuscule portion of anything you've ever eaten, perhaps.

Maybe if you levelled up your beard it would become a Bag of Tricks.

# ? Dec 21, 2009 22:08

NinjaDebugger: Apr 22, 2008

Fuego Fish posted:

Maybe if you levelled up your beard it would become a Bag of Tricks.

Let's not get into Bustier of Many Things territory here, people.

# ? Dec 21, 2009 22:09

Kerbtree: Sep 8, 2008; BAD FALCON!
LAZY!

/\Thanks very much, now I'm imagining a beardy-dwarf version of Bayonetta/\

The General posted:

^ Where's the list of players? I want to know if my favourite porn stars play D&D

Well, a brief dig says Kimberly Kane, and there's few pictures there, so ask the chaps in PYF.
Some sort of playerlist on this page.
...
...
A-ha. First post on the blog says that there's at least Mandy Morbid, Caroline Pierce and Satine Phoenix.

# ? Dec 21, 2009 23:05

The General: Mar 4, 2007

I saw Sasha Grey in there, doesn't say if she plays, but if she does I've never been prouder to be a geek.

# ? Dec 21, 2009 23:16

Kerison: Apr 9, 2004; by angerbot

If it sounds slightly antagonistic, it's because I cannot understand the allure of playing a substandard wargame with pieces that aren't usable out of the box, which is what your hobby has been described to me as.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 03:10

Jackard: Oct 28, 2007; We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

Angry Diplomat posted:

Maybe I'm off-base since I only read the first book, but everything I read in there made Drizzt seem like almost a parody character. He's so sad and confused because the spark of goodness in his heart nags at him, despite the fact that he has quite literally never been exposed to anything other than absolute evil! He is frightened of his evil family but secretly brave because he hates them and wants to strike against them, but he's honorable and good so he won't kill his (melodramatically evil and highly deserving) family members! He is the best swordsman in the universe, destined from a young age to wield two swords with more skill than anyone else! When he sees evil deeds done, his eyes burn with violet flame as he flies into a righteous rage and becomes twice as strong and immune to pain due to the goodness in his heart giving him power!

Basically Drizzt seemed retarded and one-dimensional. I won't lie though, the book was actually pretty well-written compared to a lot of the stuff you see in the fantasy genre, but that goddamned drow just grated on me the whole way through.

You know, the books might be blegh but the comics based off them are decent enough

# ? Dec 22, 2009 03:19

PeterWeller: Apr 21, 2003; I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

Real wargamers only play Advanced Squad Leader.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 03:19

claw game handjob: Mar 27, 2007; pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

So apparently I work at a secret ~~dracula~~ grognard factory. We got a new guy this week and somehow he managed to sniff out (seriously, I cannot even tell how he knew, do white wolf players have some kind of secret handshake or poo poo?) that a guy I'd worked alongside for months played Werewolf: The Whatevering like he did.

Because of this, they proceeded to take their strength in numbers (two versus one, woo) and heckle my playing 4th ed. all day when I didn't know enough or even pretend to give a poo poo about their system. Oddly enough, I get the feeling they're in about the same boat with regards to 4e, because the only insult they relied on when I asked WHY 4e sucked was "Your game's gone through 5 revisions, mine hasn't. That means yours is shittier."

Despite actually responding to a reply of "but doesn't that just mean yours has run on broken rules for a longer time instead where mine fixes poo poo once in a while" with "You know, you have a point"... they kept it up all goddamn day, irritating coworkers and management alike. I'm waiting to see if they try it a second day in a row.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 04:45

Angry Diplomat: Nov 7, 2009; Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Call them furries and then say that their insistence on talking about their fetish scene is making you uncomfortable. Werewolf players loving hate that.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 04:58

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

Team Jacob.

I can't understand the "World of Darkness pride" movement either. It's "let's pretend" with the Universal monsters, don't make it into an alternative lifestyle.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 05:54

Turing sex machine: Dec 14, 2008; I want to have
your robot-babies

That porn star DM guy appears rather fond of dumb house rules and dumber charts.

quote:

Normally, PCs will only get x.p. for monsters. However, once they get to a Big City, they may trade g.p. for x.p. by blowing it on various forms of strong drink.

Exchange rate is 1 to 1 and must be exchanged in chunks of at least 100 g.p. per PC. Resulting X.p. is divided evenly among the players.

However, for every (total # of PCs) x 100 x.p. exchanged, one member of the party (the party may choose who) must carouse excessively.

The excessive carouser must then roll d20 on the Modified Carousing Mishaps Table below. Complex results are resolved at the beginning of the next session:

1-As original chart.
2-Random pub brawl. Whole party faces number of brawlers = # of PCs. Resolve as normal combat but overcarousing PC is at -2 for being drunk.
3-As original.
4-Wake up in bed with someone... roll on subtable below.
5-Gambling losses. Gain o x.p..
6-As original.
7-Insult Local Person of Rank (roll on subtable below).
8-As original except malady takes a more virulent form.
9-New tattoo (roll d6 1-PC chooses 2-DM chooses 3-player to your left chooses 4-player to your right chooses 5-player 2 to the right chooses 6-player 2 to the left chooses).
10-2 thieves set upon PC while s/he is alone. Resolve as normal combat but PC is at -2 for being drunk.
11-You wake up with only your armor and, on a successful wisdom check, your most prized posession.
12-As original.
13-As original.
14-You've joined a local organization--you remember the passwords and secret signs (for Vornheim, roll on subtable below).
15-As 4 above.
16-Wake up stark naked in local temple, roll a D4 (for Vornheim) on the Local Organizations table to determine which of Vornheim's four temples.
17-As 7.
18-There was something in that drink. You are smitten with (roll on subtable below) for d10 days.
19-As original.
20-As original.

You rolled a 4? Uh oh...

quote:

Wake Up In Bed/Smitten Subtable (d12)

1. Succubus
2. Dead albino elf
3. Apparently normal attractive member of orientation-appropriate gender
4. Randomly determined other PC (neither remembers anything)
5. S/he's ugly. You're married.
6. (Roll again on this table.) You're married.
7. Lizard woman who loves you
8. Halfling
9. Most important NPC in game
10. Your exact double
11. Roll on "Local Person of Rank" table
12. Priest/ess of...Roll d10 on Local Organizations Subtable

# ? Dec 22, 2009 06:48

Drox: Aug 9, 2007; by Y Kant Ozma Post

so apparently if you get drunk and pick someone up its a 1/12 chance to be a dead elf. that or a demon. cool. remind me to go out drinking more often.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 06:55

Luce: Jan 2, 2008; good morning sunshine

Or his Mary Sue NPC. He's in porn yet still has to play out his ridiculous manchild maladjusted sexuality fantasies in D&D.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 07:08

Uncle Khasim: Dec 20, 2009

Even the threads in The Gaming Den posted by 4E players about 4E characters are just..just..

# ? Dec 22, 2009 08:27

The General: Mar 4, 2007

Turing sex machine posted:

That porn star DM guy appears rather fond of dumb house rules and dumber charts.

You rolled a 4? Uh oh...

Those tables rule.

Edit: But I wouldn't use them. Unless it was like a one shot with lots of out of game drinking :3:

# ? Dec 22, 2009 12:06

Pharmaskittle: Dec 17, 2007; arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag

One of the most fun features in a game I've been in were post-adventure drinking shenanigans. Granted, it was all pretty innocent (if a bit stupid): stuff like literal pissing contests, scouring cities for the most fragile thing you could run back with, and riding shields down flights of stairs.

But yeah, those charts are kind of neat.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 12:42

The General: Mar 4, 2007

Pharmaskittle posted:

One of the most fun features in a game I've been in were post-adventure drinking shenanigans. Granted, it was all pretty innocent (if a bit stupid): stuff like literal pissing contests, scouring cities for the most fragile thing you could run back with, and riding shields down flights of stairs.

But yeah, those charts are kind of neat.

Who hasent used a tower shield to quickly and effortlessly run down an endless flight of stairs? I demand a show of hands!

# ? Dec 22, 2009 13:08

Rocket Ace: Aug 11, 2006; R.I.P. Dave Stevens

Syrg posted:

... because the only insult they relied on when I asked WHY 4e sucked was "Your game's gone through 5 revisions, mine hasn't. That means yours is shittier."

Isn't Werewolf in it's 4th or 5th edition now?

The one I had in high school was 2nd or 3rd edition, I think (the one with the claw mark holes in the cover).

# ? Dec 22, 2009 14:02

FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
sexually

Rocket Ace posted:

Isn't Werewolf in it's 4th or 5th edition now?

The one I had in high school was 2nd or 3rd edition, I think (the one with the claw mark holes in the cover).

I think there's been 4 main versions:
v.1 1992 - softcover
v.2 1994 - hardcover (with claw die-cut cover)
v.3 2000 - hardcover revised (no die-cuts)
v.4 2005 - NWoD version (Werewolf the Forsaken)

Plus a couple of spinoffs like Wild West (1997), Dark Ages v.1 (1999), Dark Ages v.2 (2003), and the official GURPS adaptation (1993).

4 versions in 17 years - compare to D&D, which has had 6 (OD&D, AD&D1, AD&D2, 3E, 3.5E, 4E) versions in 35 years.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 14:18

Yoshimo: Oct 5, 2003; Fleet of foot, and all that!

Is it seriously impossible for some people to like both World of Darkness AND D&D at the same time?

# ? Dec 22, 2009 15:12

The General: Mar 4, 2007

Yoshimo posted:

Is it seriously impossible for some people to like both World of Darkness AND D&D at the same time?

I don't think that's a fair question. Especially since the games are so different on every level. D&D is traditionally more combat, and WoD is more social. There is going to be a large rift between the players in terms of personal likes and dislikes at the gaming table. They just attract different kinds of players in general.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 15:26

Yoshimo: Oct 5, 2003; Fleet of foot, and all that!

I don't think it's unfair at all. Most gamers I know see themselves as that, just gamers, or roleplayers. They wouldn't call themselves Vampire players and just specifically play that, or vice versa with D&D. In fact, my group at uni switches week by week from me running CoC to another guy running D&D, and we're all having a blast. I do definitely agree they are distinctly different games, but Baldur's Gate 2 is very different from Half-Life 2, and I enjoy them both, so...

# ? Dec 22, 2009 15:45

The General: Mar 4, 2007

Yoshimo posted:

I don't think it's unfair at all. Most gamers I know see themselves as that, just gamers, or roleplayers. They wouldn't call themselves Vampire players and just specifically play that, or vice versa with D&D. In fact, my group at uni switches week by week from me running CoC to another guy running D&D, and we're all having a blast. I do definitely agree they are distinctly different games, but Baldur's Gate 2 is very different from Half-Life 2, and I enjoy them both, so...

What I'm saying while there are lovers of movies who enjoy all genres, there are also those who will only sit down for an action flick and those who will only sit down for drama.

D&D and Vampire attract different crowds. It's entirely possibly someone would enjoy Vampire but not D&D and not consider themselves a "Vampire player" in that fanboy context. Some people simply do not like D&D and Vampire at the same time.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 15:54

Joudas: Sep 29, 2005; Now here's a kid who's whole world got all twisted,
leaving him stranded on a rock in the sky...

It's the dudes who associate themselves with some product line instead of developing their own personality that causes all the lovely issues in role playing, or anything else for that matter. If people didn't tie so much of themselves into "Being a DnD player" then it wouldn't be such a traumatic and dramatic event every time some loving rules change.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 16:04

Yoshimo: Oct 5, 2003; Fleet of foot, and all that!

The General posted:

What I'm saying while there are lovers of movies who enjoy all genres, there are also those who will only sit down for an action flick and those who will only sit down for drama.

D&D and Vampire attract different crowds. It's entirely possibly someone would enjoy Vampire but not D&D and not consider themselves a "Vampire player" in that fanboy context. Some people simply do not like D&D and Vampire at the same time.

True, but would your patience not wear thin with someone who said "Nope, I only watch ACTION films. Drama films are for losers!" In fact, would you not be tempted to just completely disregard their opinions on movies?

In a similar fashion, I can imagine people refusing to play D&D because it's "all combat," or not wanting to play a WoD game because it's "all talk," but we've had much more fun alternating between them. Of course it does fall down when you get the annoying player who wants to constantly talk their way out of fights in D&D, or just go round shooting up the place in Vampire...

# ? Dec 22, 2009 16:29

Maddman: Mar 15, 2005; Women...bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch

Joudas posted:

It's the dudes who associate themselves with some product line instead of developing their own personality that causes all the lovely issues in role playing, or anything else for that matter. If people didn't tie so much of themselves into "Being a DnD player" then it wouldn't be such a traumatic and dramatic event every time some loving rules change.

The biggest sign that someone's a poo poo player is stating "I'm only a Game X player". They are almost guaranteed to be a smug rear end in a top hat.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 16:30

Rocket Ace: Aug 11, 2006; R.I.P. Dave Stevens

Pretty much every oWod campaign I've ever been in has been as combat focused as any DnD dungeon crawl.

Almost EVERY session involved the GM's GMPC giving the rag tag bunch of characters a mission which essentially boiled down to everyone running around the city looking for clues for a few pointless hours (because everyone ALWAYS split up), peppered with the occasional gun and/or sword fight with either the police, random racist caricatures of gang thugs, or Men in Black, then a "climax" in a big old Warehouse (WHY ALWAYS A loving WAREHOUSE???) with a big fight against another GMPC villain who is unbeatable (except by the GM's GOOD GMPC).

Yeah I'm a bit soured from my experiences with oWoD.

Well, enough of that...

# ? Dec 22, 2009 16:40

The General: Mar 4, 2007

Maddman posted:

The biggest sign that someone's a poo poo player is stating "I'm only a Game X player". They are almost guaranteed to be a smug rear end in a top hat.

I don't play with these people (mostly because they only play D&D :haw:

). I like a wide range of games to be played, and it really bugs me when one guy sits there vetoing everything I put on the table aside from his one special game. It's not uncommon (and I don't mind) if I have to present two or three systems or settings before I get a consensus.

# ? Dec 22, 2009 17:39

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# ? May 24, 2024 01:03

crime fighting hog: Jun 29, 2006; I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

I mostly play D&D but I love Dark Heresy. I've played GURPS but it was such a boring us against the world fest that I doubt I could ever try it again. I'd love to play Mage but I'd draw the line at Vampire. Being a gothy power hungry sparkle guy just doesn't grab me

# ? Dec 22, 2009 19:35

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