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quote:Bill Shaikin @BillShaikin Bill Shaikin is an LA Times sportswriter, so let's hope he's right.
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Rand alPaul posted:Tony LaRussa is a headhunting piece of poo poo. But he didn't take steroids so he can be in the Come on now, he's a ribhunting piece of poo poo. Throwing at the head would be wrong you see. I mean, honestly I guess we should be happy he's against that at least.
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Aug 6, 2014 21:59
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Lorini posted:Bill Shaikin is an LA Times sportswriter, so let's hope he's right. So did they DFA Paul Maholm or Dan Haren to add it to the roster?
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Aug 6, 2014 22:01
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The Astros, Rockies and Rangers did not claim Jacob Turner. Maybe they just think he'll never be any good but I'm pretty surprised at this.
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Aug 6, 2014 22:04
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tadashi posted:The Astros, Rockies and Rangers did not claim Jacob Turner. Maybe they just think he'll never be any good but I'm pretty surprised at this. I'm at the point of listening to relaxation music at work. This team's incompetence knows no bounds. I mean really, 23 year old groundballer with a low BB9 and 1st round pedigree, drafted 2 slots ahead of Matzek. Can't bump 28 year old, 1000 MiLB inning-logging Yohan Flande though, can they? Our best guess is that they filed the waiver claim for Jakob Trner. Philly fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Aug 6, 2014 22:07
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Retail Slave posted:From a bit back: This is a terrible system that would be manipulated all to hell which is why no sports league does this or ever will
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Aug 6, 2014 22:09
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tadashi posted:The Astros, Rockies and Rangers did not claim Jacob Turner. Maybe they just think he'll never be any good but I'm pretty surprised at this. if i'm not mistaken, it goes through the league of the player's team first (NL), so only the Rockies didn't claim him.
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Aug 6, 2014 22:11
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Baffling the Rockies didn't claim him.
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Aug 6, 2014 22:17
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gently caress you, TLR. Just when I was starting to come around on you because I've been subjected to the horrors of Matheny.
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Aug 6, 2014 22:36
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The Pirates still have not placed Andrew McCutchen on the DL, and also Neil Walker was removed from the game yesterday due to aggravating his back injury that he was never placed on the DL for. He skipped BP today. Also also Starling Marte came back from his concussion yesterday but said he wasn't 100%. On the pitching side, Stolmy Pimentel has appeared in only 16 games despite being with the team all season, probably because he's #2 on the Long Reliever depth chart behind Jeanmar Gomez AND also #2 on the Mop-Up Guy depth chart behind Ernesto Frieri. So, if you're following at home, the Pirates are operating in a tight pennant race with a 22-man roster that includes a bench catcher, 4 platoon-only hitters (being kind to Nix and including him here), and Michael Martinez.
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Aug 6, 2014 22:38
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Cole Hamels and Marlon Byrd have been claimed
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Aug 6, 2014 22:39
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Groucho Marxist posted:rack em rhabuf?
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Aug 6, 2014 22:47
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tadashi posted:The Astros, Rockies and Rangers did not claim Jacob Turner. Maybe they just think he'll never be any good but I'm pretty surprised at this. Actually we only know the Rockies passed on him. Waiver claim order for a player goes from worst to first in the player's league, then worst to first in the other league.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:06
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Politicalrancor posted:rhabuf? nah
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Aug 6, 2014 23:08
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FairGame posted:gently caress you, TLR. Just when I was starting to come around on you because I've been subjected to the horrors of Matheny. Still holding out for a Whitey Herzog return, eh? I've never quite understood the fans who seem to always hate whoever the current manager is. In Matheny's case, it's doubly confounding, because I bet you'd be hard pressed to find any other major league manager who takes over a team after it loses its best player to free agency and has a first season that ends one game shy of the World Series, and a second season that ends two games shy of winning the World Series. That said, is anyone who has followed TLR over the years really surprised by this response? He's known as a guy who has never been afraid to retaliate for hit batsmen, whether there was clear intent or not. He even has his own weird set of rules about it, which you can read about in 3 Nights in August. The one thing I will say, though, is that he's not a headhunter. I've seen him talk badly to the press about Cardinals pitchers who he thought might have almost hit someone in the head, even when there was no clear intent. Like someone said: he's a ribhunter. Whether or not that's much better, though, depends on how you feel about retaliation pitches. Besides, the last thing I read about McCutchen's injury suggests that the HBP didn't (or couldn't) cause that particular injury. Has that changed?
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Aug 6, 2014 23:13
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tarlibone posted:Still holding out for a Whitey Herzog return, eh? I've never quite understood the fans who seem to always hate whoever the current manager is. In Matheny's case, it's doubly confounding, because I bet you'd be hard pressed to find any other major league manager who takes over a team after it loses its best player to free agency and has a first season that ends one game shy of the World Series, and a second season that ends two games shy of winning the World Series. Yes the team he was coaching was very good. If you actually, like, watch games he manages, you woould see he makes awful decisions all the time. They had to trade Allen Craig away just to get him to stop running him out there every single day. He literally did not know how to make a double switch when he took the job, and still regularly fucks it up. His bullpen management is horrible too. It turns out guys who have never coached above little league are not great picks to manage at the very highest level of the sport.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:19
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Mike Matheny is one of the worst managers in baseball. I used to at least give credit for clubhouse stuff but then he fostered an environment that shunned the team's best prospect
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Aug 6, 2014 23:21
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You're like the Cardinals version of Craptacular.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:29
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The petty part of me hopes that other teams just plunk a Diamondback player every game until the end of the season.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:30
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It appears to be the new hot fad in baseball: put a complete amateur in charge of your team! It worked for the White Sox and Robin Ventura! Except for politics, is there any other profession where people hire complete rookies to do important things?
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Aug 6, 2014 23:30
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I agree that he's got a problem with loyalty to players who are clearly trending downward. I only recently regrew the hair that I'd pulled out of my head every time he tried to bring Mitchell Boggs in to close out a game. It was the same problem we had with him running Craig out there when it was clear to everyone else that he wasn't coming out of his slump anytime soon. But I don't miss many games, and I don't see many screwed up double-switches. The only one I distinctly remember is the one from 2012 against the Marlins, where he eventually had to do more substituting because Ozzie Guillen claimed to be confused as to what the number 5 means. This only was an issue because Ozzie Guillen is kind-of an idiot, and the guy he complained to, umpire Bob "How Do I Still Have A Job?" Davidson, is a complete idiot. You can google that one if you like; it's actually hilarious reading. Have I missed a bunch of other similar screw-ups? I know a lot of his substitutions are questionable, but double-switching is always a risk. I'm not aware of any actual mistakes in pulling off a double-switch other than the one facilitated by one moron who's no longer in baseball and another, bigger one who still is.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:32
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William T. Hornaday posted:You're like the Cardinals version of Craptacular. I kind of get more kaworu vibes
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Aug 6, 2014 23:34
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ElwoodCuse posted:This is a terrible system that would be manipulated all to hell which is why no sports league does this or ever will How? Do you think this would motivate a team to bring in a lovely pitcher to plunk a superstar hitter? There'd be no more motivation than there is now to do that. And if you don't want to face the consequences of this system, don't intentionally throw at people. It seems pretty simple to me. MLB would be the ultimate decider in cases like these.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:35
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Rand alPaul posted:It appears to be the new hot fad in baseball: put a complete amateur in charge of your team! It worked for the White Sox and Robin Ventura! Well, to be fair, I don't think you need a lot of "experience" to be an MLB manager in like that you were a bench coach or whatever leading up to it. If you can create a decent lineup with what the GM gives you, effectively use your bullpen, platoon, handle the media post-game, and keep peace in the clubhouse, you're doing much better than most managers today.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:37
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Harlock posted:Cole Hamels and Marlon Byrd have been claimed
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Aug 6, 2014 23:38
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The other GMs were simply too aggressive in claiming our players off waivers.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:45
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tarlibone posted:I agree that he's got a problem with loyalty to players who are clearly trending downward. I only recently regrew the hair that I'd pulled out of my head every time he tried to bring Mitchell Boggs in to close out a game. It was the same problem we had with him running Craig out there when it was clear to everyone else that he wasn't coming out of his slump anytime soon. I have literaly lost count of how many times matheny has made a double switch while bringing in a guy he intends to only pitch for one inning, thus making the double switch pointless. Usually they also involve daniel descalso, which makes it actively detrimental. I feel like you are confsedby what we mean here. Matheny knows how to make a double switch. He quite clearly does not understand WHY you make one. He's playing at managing because he's seen managers do these things. He does not understand the strategy behind such moves, and after 3 years I am tired of waiting fr him to learn on the job. The man is a tactical moron, and as groucho pointed out, maybe not even a good leader. He sucks.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:47
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I maintain that Matheny is basically a human-sized parrot in a jersey; he manages like he watched a baseball manager a few years ago, and just kind of knows the sounds and motions a manager makes during a baseball game. Even someone who has never played baseball would manage better, because most people- most animals- understand risk-reward and why doing the wrong thing over and over is bad.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:53
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MourningView posted:It turns out guys who have never coached above little league are not great picks to manage at the very highest level of the sport. I really used to like Robin Ventura when he was a player, too. And now...not.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:59
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Mornacale posted:By the way, I don't think anyone mentioned it here but it came out a couple days ago that the Yankees (and in general the MLB's really exploitative approach to young talent) apparently ruined some Dominican kid's life. So that's cool. This is seriously hosed up.
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Aug 7, 2014 00:07
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MourningView posted:Yes the team he was coaching was very good. If you actually, like, watch games he manages, you woould see he makes awful decisions all the time. They had to trade Allen Craig away just to get him to stop running him out there every single day. He literally did not know how to make a double switch when he took the job, and still regularly fucks it up. His bullpen management is horrible too. *wastes two playoff roster spots on players he has no intention of ever using* LOOK AT ME I'M MIKE MATHENY
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Aug 7, 2014 00:08
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Carlton Banks posted:*wastes two playoff roster spots on players he has no intention of ever using* Yeah I was just going to ask about this. Was there ever a reason for why he kept two guys on the roster who were so injured they never played?
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Aug 7, 2014 00:09
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Clubhouse harmony. Also, in fairness, unless you wanted like...Sam Freeman or something, the Cardinals entered the 2013 postseason with only 23 useful players anyway. Like...Adron Chambers was probably the 2nd best hitter on the bench until the World Series, when crippled Allen Craig was ready to go.
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Aug 7, 2014 00:13
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Abel Wingnut posted:Actually we only know the Rockies passed on him. Waiver claim order for a player goes from worst to first in the player's league, then worst to first in the other league. I have to believe there's no way the Rangers wouldn't have gotten him had he made it to the AL half of waivers. It would've been a perfect pickup.
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Aug 7, 2014 00:24
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N: Brad Penny is pitching 2.28 ERA over 27.2 innings and 5 starts at AAA, and the Marlins are expected to bring him up this weekend. V: lol marlins
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Aug 7, 2014 00:28
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New Concept Hole posted:So did they DFA Paul Maholm or Dan Haren to add it to the roster? Chone Figgins actually Retail Slave posted:How? Do you think this would motivate a team to bring in a lovely pitcher to plunk a superstar hitter? There'd be no more motivation than there is now to do that. And if you don't want to face the consequences of this system, don't intentionally throw at people. It seems pretty simple to me. MLB would be the ultimate decider in cases like these. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Aug 7, 2014 00:36
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Still can't believe his name's not pronounced "chohn".
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Aug 7, 2014 00:42
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Felix Hernandez in his last fifteen starts has thrown at least 7 innings and given up two runs or less in them. His ERA is now at 1.97. He's not quite Pedro Martinez 2000 edition but he's close.New Concept Hole posted:Still can't believe his name's not pronounced "chohn". His real name is actually Desmond DeChone, which makes it funnier.
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Aug 7, 2014 00:43
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seiferguy posted:Felix Hernandez in his last fifteen starts has thrown at least 7 innings and given up two runs or less in them. His ERA is now at 1.97. He's not quite Pedro Martinez 2000 edition but he's close. He has only allowed more than 3 earned once all year and it was 4. He is crazy good this season.
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Now wait... I'm starting to get the impression that there are people out there who don't like Mike Matheny. I can understand it. But really, what were the choices? Terry Francona's ignoble end in Boston all but excluded him from serious consideration, and the club was probably never considering Cubs legend Ryne Sandberg seriously. Personally, I was hoping Oquendo would be named manager, given his experience with the team as both a player and a coach. And I'm still not sure why he was passed over. Terrible though he may be, he's got his team in contention in a strong division for the third year in a row. Things could be worse.
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