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big scary monsters posted:I thought I'd go check out the educations of some of the more well known Cabinet members and my, it's impressive reading! Listed are their degrees, grades (where I could find out), and universities. fwiw IDS went to Sandhurst, which is a military academy.
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Judd Stackington posted:Alternately, which UK universities historically have reputations as hotbeds of radical right-on leftist thought? I only ever seem to hear about the universities being discussed at the moment and the kind of ineffectual sludge of most of the metropolitan institutions I've visited. LSE, I guess, historically? And Cambridge has always been a bit more radical than Oxford if you're looking at those two (it wasn't the Oxford Five doing all that spying for Uncle Joe).
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Another Person posted:fwiw IDS went to Sandhurst, which is a military academy. That's a vocational college, not a university.
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The Sun scored pmqs as a 4-2 to Cameron, saying that Corbyn asked the same question 6 times, rather than Cameron not answering 6 times. All politics should be scored in sports terms.
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I looked at the mirror's vote thing and they had it 95-5 in favour of Corbyn
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big scary monsters posted:That's a vocational college, not a university. Sandhurst is not just any old vocational college. To dismiss it as such is absurdly ignorant of the place that Sandhurst takes in British society. It is highly selective, and has been a source of education for many who have gone on to take top positions in the UK government, the military and in business, as well as top positions in other nations around the world. It is no coincidence that royalty and aristocracy get educated in the same place that IDS was educated. If we are looking at the systems of socialisation that takes place in selecting the power elite of the United Kingdom, then Sandhurst is not just a vocational college. It is up there with Oxbridge for its ability to shape individuals into what the power elite wants in a person. Another Person fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Fingerless Gloves posted:The Sun scored pmqs as a 4-2 to Cameron, saying that Corbyn asked the same question 6 times, rather than Cameron not answering 6 times. remember when Michael Howard obliterated Jeremy Paxman that one time, dude just kept asking the same question what a weenie
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Wasn't Keele fairly radical?
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Judd Stackington posted:Alternately, which UK universities historically have reputations as hotbeds of radical right-on leftist thought? I only ever seem to hear about the universities being discussed at the moment and the kind of ineffectual sludge of most of the metropolitan institutions I've visited. SOAS (UiL)?
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TheRat posted:I looked at the mirror's vote thing and they had it 95-5 in favour of Corbyn Mirror readers in Labour support shocker etc.
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Wow, Cameron really got ripped to shreds in this PMQs. I think this is the worst showing he has made in his entire time as PM. It is fantastic to watch.
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JFairfax posted:Is it up anywhere to view ? http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/b8aee046-33ff-402d-9e03-31bff8e29ff0?in=12:02:10 e; haha, namedropping the daily mail? really cameron? really? now that is desperation Another Person fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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The Corbyn quote at PMQs that silenced his critics once and for all The Tory response was the same as always: this was about “transforming the UK economy”, that squirming Tory platitude used currently as a get-out-of-jail-free card Liam Young 56 minutes ago12 comments Corbyn's latest performance in PMQs was well-recieved PA ‘I ask him for the sixth time,’ will be the quote that finally silences the critics of Jeremy Corbyn’s PMQs performances. Because this week, Corbyn temporarily abandoned the process of asking a different question each time, instead choosing to focus on the serious issue of the cuts to tax credits. And he may have asked six times, but he certainly wasn’t answered six times. As the Prime Minister attempted to make the issue seem like a constitutional crisis surrounding the powers of the House of Lords, Corbyn brought him back to reality. This is not a crisis concerning the process of politics, or a crisis concerning parliamentary privilege. Instead this is, quite simply, a crisis for millions of hard-working families up and down this country who could be set to lose thousands of pounds in April 2016. Corbyn takes on Cameron Corbyn was wise to use all of his six questions on the topic of tax credits, Paxman-style. Let’s not forget that just last week, the Prime Minister said he was ‘delighted’ that the cuts were voted through by the House of Commons. Even when Corbyn posed a question from a constituent named Karen, concerning the way in which she will be potentially severely affected by the tax credit cuts as a low earner, the Prime Minister could not give a straight answer. But this is unsurprising: as one SNP member pointed out later on in the proceedings, the reason David Cameron chose not to include this policy in his manifesto - and the reason he promised before the election not to do it - is because he knows if he had done, he would not have been elected. Pushing working families into poverty even goes against the most right wing Tory rhetoric about those mythical “benefit scroungers”. Corbyn asked the Prime Minister to guarantee that no child would be worse off next year as a result of his tax credit policy. The Tory response was the same as always: this was about “transforming the UK economy”, that squirming Tory platitude used currently as a get-out-of-jail-free card. Corbyn asked him again, and the Prime Minister said his proposals would be made clear in the Autumn Statement. And so it goes on, and on, and on. The truth is, the Prime Minister doesn’t have a response for those hard-working people who look set to lose out – many of whom may have voted Conservative at the last election. This government has demonstrated what it is all about now, and it can’t hide behind the “we’re for working people” line any longer: it is about cutting corporation tax for the wealthiest businesses, cutting inheritance tax for the 500 wealthiest families, celebrating the obscenely rich 1 per cent and cementing the position of the wealthy. The Tories won the last election on a tide of support for work, rather than welfare. But it is this government that could hit working people harder than any government since Thatcher’s. The government today abandoned their line that eight in ten families will be better off and has instead moved to make this a debate about the wider economy. But this fell foul in the face of Corbyn’s sensibly pitched grassroots mentality. Again, the Tories failed to accept that there is a human element to this change. These names that they see on their Excel spreadsheets in the Treasury office are not plucked from thin air. They are real people, with real jobs, real children, real dreams and real aspirations. Today, the Prime Minister confirmed that the Tory party has abandoned such people. In his place, Jeremy Corbyn continues to lead the campaign for the Labour party to once again become the party of decent, hard-working people. As Tory support for the rich grows and the Prime Minister moves ever further right, perhaps those critical of Corbyn’s perceived radicalness will welcome the balance he realistically provides http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-corbyn-quote-at-pmqs-that-silenced-his-critics-once-and-for-all-a6712001.html
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Cameron was pretty awful at PMQs today, Corbyn's disapproving looks are fantastic. Also, bonus graun: 
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Tom Watson doesn't seem to be wearing a poppy, good man.
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Philip Hammond has negotiated the release of that granddad the Saudis were going to beat to death for possession of alcohol.
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ThomasPaine posted:in the face of all the obnoxious gratuitous displays of wealth Like the group of Durham students who tried to make a viral video of pouring whole bottles of port over themselves in the street
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lol I love how pissed off the senior tories are with the lords: Lord Strathclyde said: "I think the House of Lords behaved wrongly, deplorably, and unnecessarily. We have developed very good ways of the unelected House protesting against what the House of Commons does, but backing down in the end.
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namesake posted:SOAS (UiL)? yeah SOAS owns I don't know if I mentioned it but I once climbed in through a window at the SOAS occupation back in 2010 to see Jeremy Corbyn speak. Then someone from the Libertines turned up and played 'I fought the law' on an acoustic guitar? It was an interesting night. Various of the London ex-polys (including London Met,Corb's alma mater) are also pretty radical.
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Coohoolin posted:Tom Watson doesn't seem to be wearing a poppy, good man. Pretty sure he's wearing a pin.
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JFairfax posted:lol I love how pissed off the senior tories are with the lords: lmbo
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Coohoolin posted:Tom Watson doesn't seem to be wearing a poppy, good man. Stalingrad posted:Pretty sure he's wearing a pin. Yeah he's wearing a pin. None of the papers seem to be making a fuss about Corbyn wearing a poppy. That's got to be a good thing right?
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Its political suicide to not wear a poppy. Regardless of how they felt about it, I'd want any MP that didn't to never have anything to do with government as it shows a complete lack of intelligence.
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JFairfax posted:lol I love how pissed off the senior tories are with the lords: Isn't he the one they're tasking with looking into Lords teform? Surprisingly little fucks given to the pretence of impartiality.
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serious gaylord posted:Its political suicide to not wear a poppy. Regardless of how they felt about it, I'd want any MP that didn't to never have anything to do with government as it shows a complete lack of intelligence. This is incredibly stupid. MPs should never stand up for their beliefs and cave to tabloid hysteria even if they are capable of making well-reasoned arguments as to why they are doing what they are doing? It's a loving piece of paper on a stick, whose once-important meaning has been completely destroyed by the far-right in the UK and rebuilt in their image.
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You will just never, ever, win a poppy argument. An MP that doesn't wear one can say what they like, make a perfectly reasonable argument but they will be vilified and utterly, fundamentally destroyed by the media. It is not a battle you can ever win.
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It's been co-opted by the far right in certain circles of discourse. There's still an awful lot of people - the majority, perhaps - who view the poppy simply as a symbol of remembrance and it's they who the pro-poppy newspaper articles are trying to persuade, not the Britain First lot.
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Quote-Unquote posted:This is incredibly stupid. MPs should never stand up for their beliefs and cave to tabloid hysteria even if they are capable of making well-reasoned arguments as to why they are doing what they are doing? I disagree with this. There's an element of poppy fascism but overall I think the hero worship comes from the help for heroes side of things rather than the British legion.
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:I disagree with this. There's an element of poppy fascism but overall I think the hero worship comes from the help for heroes side of things rather than the British legion. Yeah I've never found poppies to be a very ooraah go militarism thing. I can believe there's people who try to make it into that but the predominant expression I've found is that it's a remembrance. The best thing I'd like Corbyn to do for remembrance day is to do it like everyone round here does. Go to the cenotaph, listen to the service by the vicar, bring a wreath if you've got the money, and observe the silence, and completely ignore anyone who takes the opportunity to waffle on about are troops because that's not what the day is for. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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"The drastically increased use of food banks is reflecting badly upon the government and the international reputation of Britain. From now on, all food banks will be under DWP oversight to make sure that people opposed to British values are not artificially inflating the figures in an attempt to attack British society."
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah I've never found poppies to be a very ooraah go militarism thing. I can believe there's people who try to make it into that but the predominant expression I've found is that it's a remembrance. Of what? I mean unless you have something concretely positive that they stand for (remembrance doesn't count if you don't know what it is you're supposed to remember) then what will stick in people's minds is the loudest definite message going, ie war good (or at least "regrettably necessary", except it's always loving necessary even when later inquest reveals it wasn't), soldiers unambiguous heroes, died for our freedoms, dulce et decorum est pro patria mori
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Renaissance Robot posted:Of what? Like I said, I've not been exposed to that where I live. All the villages and towns have small semi-religious services at their cenotaphs every year with people standing around quietly, then having the silence. The loudest message is "lots of people died, let's not do it again." I don't know what people personally are thinking but to all visible degrees they're going to a public funeral and behaving like it. Poppies are part of that. Because you see them everywhere you go and it reminds everyone that the 11th is coming up and what will be happening then.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Of what? Rubbish. The overwhelming majority view the poppy as a way to remember the dead from the world wars. That a tiny minority are trying to co-opt doesn't change that. The country isn't coming to a stand still on remembrance day because they're now all oooh-rah militarists now.
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the Daily Express are getting in early with their HANG THOSE WHO BUM THE POOPY outrage stories this year http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/615285/Giant-poppy-removed-Surbiton-station-red-lightsDiana Daily posted:Train bosses remove giant poppies from station – in case drivers think they're RED LIGHTS they're outraged that some things have been moved from one place to another where they can't be mistaken for safety equipment. But it's ok because  (I bet the real reason is BROWN PEOPLE)
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Like the group of Durham students who tried to make a viral video of pouring whole bottles of port over themselves in the street I don't know which came first but they did that at st andrews with champagne. It started at newcastle when they did it with milk which is kind of dumb but whatever then all the poshos either masterfully parodied it or completely missed the point depending on your perspective. E; my favourite idiot posho story from st andrews was the one where the student tory society got in so much poo poo for burning an effigy of Barack Obama on the beach. Didn't look great to passers by. Or the posh Swiss guy who poisoned someone with antifreeze for selling coke in 'his' hall then did a runner to the US. Or the guy who bit the head off a pigeon because reasons. Or maybe the guy who burst into some OAP's house with a full broadsword he'd nicked from a museum and challenged her to a duel before falling asleep and waking up (rightly) in a cell E2: there's too many nevermind. Point is poshos are weird as hell. Never heard of any pigfucking but would seriously not be surprised. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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ThomasPaine posted:I don't know which came first but they did that at st andrews with champagne. Both within a few days of eachother from what I can google up, although like you said it's cargo culting something else
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Renaissance Robot posted:Of what?
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