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If anyone was going to be hired to manage a baseball team with no experience, it should have been the late James Gammon.
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uggy posted:The fact that so many managers suck at lineup construction astounds me. Perhaps they actually are brilliant at it, based on statistics that professional team keep that never see the light of the internet. I find it very hard to second-guess guys who've been doing something professionally for decades. I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and not go all Dunning-Krueger when I know I have less information than they do. They may actually be idiots, but I have trouble working up the arrogance to declare that I know better.
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Aug 7, 2014 03:57
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New Concept Hole posted:Managers are literally incapable of having someone go on BBref/FG/any baseball site, go to their team page, and organize their lineup by OBP/check individual splits/etc. And that's just the tools that are publicly available. They all obsess over the ridiculous "roles" of the lineup positions. The leadoff hitter has to steal bases! Meanwhile, they only lead off the first inning then it's basically random who leads off every other inning. But putting Revere 1st and Byrd 5th means you're giving Ben Revere like 60 more plate appearances than Byrd over the course of a season. There's no way that can be optimal.
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Aug 7, 2014 04:14
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Deteriorata posted:Perhaps they actually are brilliant at it, based on statistics that professional team keep that never see the light of the internet. I find it very hard to second-guess guys who've been doing something professionally for decades. I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and not go all Dunning-Krueger when I know I have less information than they do. Ah yes, those statistics the professionals have that drive managers like Mattingly to play Andre "Can't Hit Lefties, ever" Ethier against LHP for years. Or, poo poo, look at Mike Matheny and Allen Craig this year. Some managers are just really loving bad at lineups.
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Aug 7, 2014 04:14
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Deteriorata posted:Perhaps they actually are brilliant at it, based on statistics that professional team keep that never see the light of the internet. I find it very hard to second-guess guys who've been doing something professionally for decades. I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and not go all Dunning-Krueger when I know I have less information than they do. Well, Tom Tango,as recently as April 29, 2014, argued that managers ignoring sabermetric principles in lineup construction was a good indication of the lack of penetration of sabermetric principles to managers. He's also a consultant for MLB teams and currently works exclusively for the Cubs. So presumably he has access to a lot of that information you don't and he still thinks he knows better. MaximumBob fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Aug 7, 2014 04:18
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Senf posted:I've heard that Wrigleyville is absolutely terrible Wrigleyville owns and I root for the Cardinals.
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Aug 7, 2014 04:19
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Schweinhund posted:They all obsess over the ridiculous "roles" of the lineup positions. The leadoff hitter has to steal bases! Meanwhile, they only lead off the first inning then it's basically random who leads off every other inning. But putting Revere 1st and Byrd 5th means you're giving Ben Revere like 60 more plate appearances than Byrd over the course of a season. There's no way that can be optimal. This is very true with a lot of of "Old Timey" managers who put the fast black centerfielder batting first despite the fact he isn't an OBP/stolen base guy. Please see: Granderson, Curtis; Jackson, Austin.
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Aug 7, 2014 04:23
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I'm glad Gibby seems to know what the gently caress is up.
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Aug 7, 2014 04:25
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I don't care about lineup ordering as much as I care about sensible bullpen usage. Managers that steadfastedly ignore reverse splits or leave genuine LOOGYs in to face righties? Ugh. I also decided to define "bad managing" as whenever Ozzie would say something like he wanted 9 Juan Pierres on his team so he could have one for every position.
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Aug 7, 2014 04:27
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B.J. Upton has 408 PAs Batting 1st & 2nd. Managers are dumb. Go look at any team and you'll find some guy that's hitting sub-league average that's in the first 4 slots in the batting lineup.
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Aug 7, 2014 04:29
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MaximumBob posted:Well, Tom Tango,as recently as April 29, 2014, argued that managers ignoring sabermetric principles in lineup construction was a good indication of the lack of penetration of sabermetric principles to managers. He's also a consultant for MLB teams and currently works exclusively for the Cubs. So presumably he has access to a lot of that information you don't and he still thinks he knows better. Tom Tango thinks he knows better than other people?? That sure is a shocker
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Aug 7, 2014 04:31
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New Concept Hole posted:B.J. Upton has 408 PAs Batting 1st & 2nd. Just have above average hitters at every position.  Sosh doesnt do many annoying things other than not taking freeze out every chance he gets. And conger gets too many starts when iannetta doesn't need to platoon. Angels don't have a lefty in the pen so he can't gently caress that up either.
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Aug 7, 2014 04:33
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You just need to photoshop Chris Berman into that picture like four times with signs that just read "Back".
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Thom P. Tiers posted:Wrigleyville owns and I root for the Cardinals. Okay, so I guess a dude at work may have been dumb and or lied about his visit to Wrigley and Wrigleyville in general, which isn't surprising considering I live in California. Good to know that it'll apparently be a perfectly fine area to hang out in when we get there.
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Aug 7, 2014 05:18
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Have you guys not worked for a large organization that's set in its ways? (Which is pretty much any baseball team by definition). "Because that's the way we've always done it!" is holy writ. And then if you fight long and hard for change and finally get them to do it, the instant something goes wrong you get the blame for it and they go back to their old ways even more resolute because "well it didn't work LAST TIME we did that hotshot."
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Aug 7, 2014 05:20
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New Concept Hole posted:B.J. Upton has 408 PAs Batting 1st & 2nd. I think the Padres are the best at this.
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Aug 7, 2014 06:03
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Remember when I couldn't figure out why on Earth the Brewers were in on Jon Lester? Yeah, that's a pretty bad thing now in hindsight. I'm not letting that stop me now though, as I think about Wrigleyville and let my bad opinions show you the way to "gently caress everyone and everything in the northern half of Illinois. I wouldn't piss on them if they were burning.".
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Aug 7, 2014 06:07
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Dan Haren, after sucking for the majority of the season, somehow threw an efficient 7.1 great innings tonight and carried a no-hitter into the 6th This'll probably buy him some more time as a starter. A vesting option (10MM for next year) kicks in at 180 IPs and he's at about 134 right now.
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Aug 7, 2014 06:32
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angrygodofjebus posted:Wrigleyville is actually pretty nice and cool Yeah Wrigley itself is a dump but Wrigleyville is awesome and a lot of fun. The people who hate on it are generally pretty lame, in my experience. Oh no people drinking!!! Deteriorata posted:I find it very hard to second-guess guys who've been doing something professionally for decades. Ah yes Mike Matheny's decades of professional managerial experience. MourningView fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Aug 7, 2014 06:40
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MassaShowtime posted:I'm glad Gibby seems to know what the gently caress is up. Not gonna lie, I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Aug 7, 2014 06:54
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http://instagram.com/p/rU9887p2ND/?modal=true
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Aug 7, 2014 07:19
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I think it's more important to split your hitters up by LH / RH (and switch), and not stick a bunch of lefties / righties in a row, since a ROOGY / LOOGY could come in and mow them all down pretty easily.
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Aug 7, 2014 07:22
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Wrigleyville is full of a lot of drunk douchebags, but whatever, if you're there to have a good time and get drunk then you're going to have a good time and get drunk. It's a great place to do that as long as you don't pull Billy Cub's head off. DryHop is cool as poo poo, though. You should definitely go there. But don't be afraid of getting the Wrigleyville experience. My favorite places in the neighborhood are the not as douchey spots like Mullen's and Dark Horse. And while I almost exclusively sit in the bleachers or down the first base line (you get more sun for afternoon games), 110 is perfectly fine. You should be close enough to harass the Cubs bullpen, if you so desire. Also, do yourself a favor and get the nacho helmet. It's the best value in the park for food and you get to take a cheesy, filthy plastic helmet home with you.
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Aug 7, 2014 08:17
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Wrigley is also fairly close to local option which is one of the best beer bars so go there
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If you are going to Wrigleyville, gently caress any food at the stadium. I say this because Big Cheese exists now about a block south of the stadium and is fantastic. I mean, drat. They only have 3 locations and the other two are in Calgary! It is proper poutine so get some. The guy that owns it is a cool guy, too. Also, yes, Local Option is the place to be for beer.
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Aug 7, 2014 13:13
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I like Brad Ausmus.
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Schweinhund posted:They all obsess over the ridiculous "roles" of the lineup positions. The leadoff hitter has to steal bases! Meanwhile, they only lead off the first inning then it's basically random who leads off every other inning. But putting Revere 1st and Byrd 5th means you're giving Ben Revere like 60 more plate appearances than Byrd over the course of a season. There's no way that can be optimal. The problem is MLB managers treat batting order like positions on the field. This guy is a #2 hitter, that guy is a cleanup hitter. They don't adjust lineups well when players move in or out of a team.
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Aug 7, 2014 13:43
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Detroit_Dogg posted:I like Brad Ausmus. Me too. It's been more than half of a season and I can't think of many instances where he did something overwhelmingly stupid, so that's a win.
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Aug 7, 2014 13:54
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He keeps letting Joe Nathan pitch
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Aug 7, 2014 14:12
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Harlock posted:He keeps letting Joe Nathan pitch He can't leave pitcher's mound empty. Nathan is no worse than 90% of the rest of the bullpen.
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Aug 7, 2014 14:13
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Pat Clements posted:People bitching about Washington/Matheny as a manager I kind of get, because frankly their actions can hinder extremely well-constructed teams. Neither of them are as mind-bogglingly stupid as Robin Ventura, who has somehow slid under the radar for three years because Jerry Reinsdorf loves him. I don't think I've ever seen anyone here bitch about Cashman or Girardi with any seriousness.
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Aug 7, 2014 14:27
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In Francona's book there's a passage about how the baseball ops people would always suggest lineups for games, and Francona would read them, ask who are these guys and be told he didn't want to know. And all things considered that's probably true (sorry for the ESPN insider link).
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Aug 7, 2014 14:34
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Wrigleyville is a place where you pay 5 bucks for a can of Miller Lite. Go to the Gingerman. It's a little north so it's quieter and divey-er.
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Aug 7, 2014 14:48
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Deteriorata posted:Perhaps they actually are brilliant at it, based on statistics that professional team keep that never see the light of the internet. I find it very hard to second-guess guys who've been doing something professionally for decades. I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and not go all Dunning-Krueger when I know I have less information than they do. If managers were making decisions based on top-secret proprietary data, it's pretty likely one of them would have mentioned this by now instead of "well, he's 4 for 7 lifetime against the opposing starter, his batting average with RISP is high, and gosh darn it I've just got a gut feeling that this is gonna be his night." Ultimately, managers have the unenviable task of being Zen enough to mostly do nothing. I doubt that "nothing" is a very attractive course of action when you are the public face of leadership for a zillion-dollar corporation, and managers are not really hired from the demographics that are disposed to ignore that feeling just because it happens to be mathematically superior. That said, I wish I could trade my smartphone for Clint Hurdle. I could hang out and shoot the poo poo with Clint, my smartphone could construct a lineup and avoid calling bunts, everyone wins.
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Hotdog In A Hallway posted:Wrigleyville is a place where you pay 5 bucks for a can of Miller Lite.
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Aug 7, 2014 15:16
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Retail Slave posted:Could he be any worse than Dusty Baker was his last couple of years with the Cubs? I still can't get over the complete clusterfuck that was the 2004 season: Kent Mercker calling the booth in the middle of a game to yell at Steve Stone, Alou trying to get Stone and Caray banned from the team flights, LaTroy Hawkins: Closer, Sosa's tantrum at the end of the season...
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Aug 7, 2014 15:34
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David Kaplan is confirming that the Cubs won the claim on Hamels. The original source was a DJ in Philly for some reason. Cole Hamels would be cool.
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Aug 7, 2014 16:07
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tadashi posted:David Kaplan is confirming that the Cubs won the claim on Hamels. The original source was a DJ in Philly for some reason. Cole Hamels would be cool. "Hi, Ruben? Yeah, this is Jed Hoyer. I was wondering if you'd be interested in a former first-round draft pick named Vitters."
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tadashi posted:David Kaplan is confirming that the Cubs won the claim on Hamels. The original source was a DJ in Philly for some reason. Cole Hamels would be cool. The contract bothers me slightly, but as long as we didn't have to give up much in trade (I'm assuming Rube is smart enough to force a trade, here) I'm for having this dude in blue pinstripes. Timby posted:"Hi, Ruben? Yeah, this is Jed Hoyer. I was wondering if you'd be interested in a former first-round draft pick named Vitters." "As an extra bonus, you can have Brett Jackson as well! What I'm saying is I'm willing give up a lot for this guy."
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ozymandius1024 posted:Me too. It's been more than half of a season and I can't think of many instances where he did something overwhelmingly stupid, so that's a win. The worst thing you can say is he's hitting Torii too high and was batting Rajai too low, because even though the dude was hitting ~.300, he just wasn't "lead-off" material or something. He let A-Jax hit leadoff who doesn't take more pitches than Rajai and strikes out just as much. And I will not blame him for any bullpen issues. He's stuck thru Phil Coke and he's been better of late, he stuck through Joe Nathan and he's been lights out for a bit, but his options are all terrible.
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