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ilitarist posted:Would I know all this from in-game skill checks? It's weird to me that the game tries to explain a lot of relatively simple concepts but not this. No because you are playing a human rogue trader and Harlequins and especially Solitaires are secretive and mysterious even by Eldar standards. They're a thing that makes perfect sense to have happen if you have meta knowledge of what they are and are a completely weird outside context entity with inscrutable motives if you don't, which is exactly how they should be handled imo.
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ok i've figured out what the hell my problem with the combat animations is, and its that there's a pretty long "charge up" or "aiming" animation that plays on a lot of actions, such that when you click "shoot" what happens is you get 1-2 seconds of nothing (char is aiming down sights or whatever) and then the bulletstorm rains down. its not the worst thing in the world but it does irk me every time it happens. also if the battlefield is big and you have to scroll around to get to the enemy, the camera will then reset on the active character. so argentas turns look like this: select "rapid fire" spend a second scrolling over to the enemy click single shot (i'm level 10) wait a second while she gets a bead on the enemy boom gently caress em up now do it again like i said. its fine. its not going to make me uninstall the game. but it does make me roll my eyes 2-5 times per combat round.
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May 14, 2024 00:08
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I think there are some “turn off combat camera zoom” options to fix that
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May 14, 2024 00:40
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Warmachine posted:That's why I used to term "carry" instead of "Argenta." Argenta is my favorite for the role, but I can see Yrliet and Pasqal also pulling it off. Hell, I've had Abelard do it in my current Iconoclast run. I also think the Rogue Trader system is much better than Kingmaker/Wrath from a gameplay perspective. KM/WotR are very much nostalgia trips for 3.5/PF1e players, and if you don't have the nostalgia of playing those games from 2000 to 2010 or so, you probably don't have the fond memories to carry those systems in video game form. Argenta isn’t even optimised for an arch-militant carry. You can make a custom merc who’s even killier.
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May 14, 2024 03:08
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Psycho Landlord posted:No because you are playing a human rogue trader and Harlequins and especially Solitaires are secretive and mysterious even by Eldar standards. They're a thing that makes perfect sense to have happen if you have meta knowledge of what they are and are a completely weird outside context entity with inscrutable motives if you don't, which is exactly how they should be handled imo. This is how I saw it as someone with the meta knowledge to understand the implications of a Solitaire loving around in all this. From my trader's perspective, of course, it's a somewhat strange albeit helpful Eldar, and she's no stranger to those. There's obviously 'more to the story' but what does she care? She can sit in her office and ruminate about weird xenos clowns once she's out of xenos torture fetish hell.
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May 14, 2024 06:02
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I found it funny that high enough Iconoclast level allows you to perfectly understand the Harlequin and spell out what's going on yourself after listening to his riddles. Everyone was quite impressed about that.
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May 14, 2024 06:09
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Warden posted:I found it funny that high enough Iconoclast level allows you to perfectly understand the Harlequin and spell out what's going on yourself after listening to his riddles. Everyone was quite impressed about that. I passed these checks and I knew what he wanted from me, but I failed knowledge checks to know who he is. Psycho Landlord posted:No because you are playing a human rogue trader and Harlequins and especially Solitaires are secretive and mysterious even by Eldar standards. They're a thing that makes perfect sense to have happen if you have meta knowledge of what they are and are a completely weird outside context entity with inscrutable motives if you don't, which is exactly how they should be handled imo. I'm playing as a human Rogue Trader who has a Xeno specialist inquisitor, Aeldari and Drukari in their team and can't ask them who exactly is this Deus ex machina that gets involved with everything.
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ilitarist posted:I passed these checks and I knew what he wanted from me, but I failed knowledge checks to know who he is. I mean, Heinrix is also limited by his K: Xenos, and in-lore Harlequins/Solitaires are sufficiently rare that he just might not know about them. Just because you're in the top 50% of your field doesn't mean that you know something people in the top 5% know. Also he was probably locked in a box for 90% of the time you were running around because Tervanties has a thing about psykers. Remember that people like Governor Vyatt (Imperial Noble, Planetary Governor, very high in the pecking order) don't even know what Eldar look like. That sets a pretty loving subterranean bar for the supposed experts to clear. Warmachine fucked around with this message at 13:54 on May 14, 2024 |
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May 14, 2024 13:52
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ilitarist posted:I passed these checks and I knew what he wanted from me, but I failed knowledge checks to know who he is. Secretive and mysterious even by Eldar standards
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May 14, 2024 14:13
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Yeah being an "expert" in a society that places significant religious importance on being as ignorant as possible isn't really too impressive.
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May 14, 2024 14:14
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Side note, complaining that harlequins are a deus ex machina is deeply funny to me
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Eldar don't generally like discussing the Harlequins in the first place (because they're mysterious and threatening) and especially hate talking about Solitaires (because they're walking reminders of Slaanesh existing). So yeah, it should probably be some super difficult thing for a human to find out regardless of resources unless the Solitaire deigns to explain it themself. Also Cegorach fights Slaanesh for the soul of each Solitaire when they die. Sometimes Cegorach wins. The reason Eldar, Dark Eldar and Exodite Eldar all respect Harlequins is because they're effectively religious processions for the only active, free and whole Eldar God left, and you don't want to piss off a god you know about.
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May 14, 2024 15:52
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Not having known too much going in, my immediate reaction was "oh he's like Harlequin from Shadowrun" and, well, it pretty much is the same character concept.
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May 14, 2024 16:19
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Oh it was silly of me to complain about the game giving me no way to ask people who might know something about the most important and mysterious character in the game. Clearly I should have instead imagine conversation where they explain why they wouldn't tell me anything.Psycho Landlord posted:Side note, complaining that harlequins are a deus ex machina is deeply funny to me I don't get it. You got the joke about Deus ex machina, but you didn't get that the point of the post was complaining about in-universe behaviour of my character and non immersive limited conversations in this game, not complaining about the fact that fiction does not always provide full possible information to a consumer.
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May 14, 2024 17:19
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ilitarist posted:Oh it was silly of me to complain about the game giving me no way to ask people who might know something about the most important and mysterious character in the game. Clearly I should have instead imagine conversation where they explain why they wouldn't tell me anything. Oh no I agree there should be ways to ask and get the "we don't want to talk about it answer". That was what I was trying to say. It should be something difficult you can attempt to learn and get blocked or whatever, that would be cool.
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May 14, 2024 17:22
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Right. That's why I was half-sure I missed the right moment to ask people about it or some bug kept me from getting to ask people about him. I certainly had somewhat similar bugs in other places, or the opposite - asked people about things no longer relevant, like details of a personal quest I already completed in such a way that character's responses made no sense.
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May 14, 2024 17:29
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ilitarist posted:I don't get it. You got the joke about Deus ex machina, but you didn't get that the point of the post was complaining about in-universe behaviour of my character and non immersive limited conversations in this game, not complaining about the fact that fiction does not always provide full possible information to a consumer. No it's funny because they are, literally, in universe, a deus ex machina.
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Psycho Landlord posted:No it's funny because they are, literally, in universe, a deus ex machina. Yes, I know you understood the joke.
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May 14, 2024 19:26
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What is your problem lol. Nobody here was mean or rude to you and you're being all aggro and snippy
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May 14, 2024 19:58
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No fites please. This is the grim dark of the far future.
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ilitarist posted:Yes, I know you understood the joke. I'm not sure you did, though. Anyway no one actually disagreed with your complaints about the lack of following exposition about the clown elfs so I dunno what you're looking for here - there's an in-universe reason for the lack of info you get and the game is made by turbogrogs who will respect that to the detriment of gameplay and/or storytelling. Most of us are just used to it by now after two other owlcat games.
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HopperUK posted:No fites please. This is the grim dark of the far future. You forgot the part about "there is only war." And war is a fight. ilitarist posted:Right. That's why I was half-sure I missed the right moment to ask people about it or some bug kept me from getting to ask people about him. I certainly had somewhat similar bugs in other places, or the opposite - asked people about things no longer relevant, like details of a personal quest I already completed in such a way that character's responses made no sense. There's not a whole lot to distinguish the two in Owlcat games, sadly. I ended up rushing my first playthrough to the end because once I got to Act 4 the bugs were so thick and numerous that I legitimately could no longer tell if some conversations were breaking because of a bug or because I didn't do something to trigger the option to appear. It IS bizarre that you can't really ask Yrliet or Marazhai about them though, given that they're both in a position of educating your dumb mon'keigh rear end on Eldar customs and may also be present in the scenes that include Nocturn. They definitely know more than loving Heinrix does about the subject since they both speak to Nocturn in a way that only someone who knows what the Harlequins' deal is would.
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Maz may legit not know what he is tbf. Boy's kind of an idiot. Yrliet maybe.
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Warmachine posted:You forgot the part about "there is only war." I was doing a joke you see.
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Yrliet is also an angsty idiot. It would be difficult to have an established and self confident Eldar NPC end up in a rogue trader's employ.
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:What is your problem lol. Nobody here was mean or rude to you and you're being all aggro and snippy I'm sorry if it sounds aggressively snippy instead of playfully snippy. I complained about how story gives you no way of asking about a thing and I got responses as if I'm angry about the thing itself. And then Psycho Landlord treats my wit about Deus ex machina as both complaint and too funny to be deliberate and I find it all amusing. Anyway I don't expect this to be qualified as aggressive behaviour.
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In the 40k lore the entire point of having the Harlequins is to show up and facilitate something impossible or insane. I don't think they're ever been treated as anything more then borderline 4th wall breaking narrative devices. The only way you can actually learn anything about him in the game is to have a high enough iconoclast rating that you decipher his rhymes and explain it back to him, leading to him having a favorable opinion of you.
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People thought you were complaining and being aggro because you post like that, for referencepentyne posted:The only way you can actually learn anything about him in the game is to have a high enough iconoclast rating that you decipher his rhymes and explain it back to him, leading to him having a favorable opinion of you. Dogmatic should get an option to decipher it but completely incorrectly and make an rear end out of themselves and piss him off, imo
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ilitarist posted:I'm sorry if it sounds aggressively snippy instead of playfully snippy. I complained about how story gives you no way of asking about a thing and I got responses as if I'm angry about the thing itself. And then Psycho Landlord treats my wit about Deus ex machina as both complaint and too funny to be deliberate and I find it all amusing. Anyway I don't expect this to be qualified as aggressive behaviour. being aggro would be much better than whatever this is
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Heh you think I'm angry? In fact, I'm amused by your pathetic attempts to elicit an emotional response from me. This is all entertainment for me. Try harder next time, kid.
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I think the fix on that one would be able to get some kind of terrified expo dump from tervantias, once you have him on the ropes or whatever.
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Alchenar posted:Yeah it's just poor storytelling on Owlcat's part to have a character appear out of nowhere and help you out in a way that's pretty pivotal to keeping the plot going at several points and yet within the text of the game his existence is never quite satisfactorily explained. I think it works well enough, you get enough info to get a sense that hes a big loving deal and respected by both eldar factions and thats all you really need to know that dark eldar guy just going oh gently caress not this poo poo as soon as he shows up is pretty funny
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The Lone Badger posted:You can make a custom merc who’s even killier. Ain't nuffin killier until I's can hire an Ork freeboota.
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habeasdorkus posted:Ain't nuffin killier until I's can hire an Ork freeboota. You say this, but ten years later and your couch cushions are gonna filled with grots.
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Any resources on the Bale Childer or other Yu'Vath client races?
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Arglebargle III posted:Any resources on the Bale Childer or other Yu'Vath client races? Nothing in the game. No Rak'Gol either. No surprise since those were FFG ideas.
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That's a shame, I really liked that part of the Koronus Expanse lore, there's an actual sense of mystery there, as opposed to Eldar and Necron stuff where everything is an overexplained known factor. Can I assume the Slaught aren't around either?
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Nothing. There’s a brief mention of Stryxis in a sidequest location, but you don’t see them.
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Void Shadows, the death cult assassin DLC set for August (per Warhammer Skulls) https://store.steampowered.com/app/2951990/Warhammer_40000_Rogue_Trader__Void_Shadows/
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quote:А new companion — Kibellah, a Death Cult Assassin, who is ready to pledge her life in service of the von Valancius dynasty just as her predecessors did for generations before, even possibly developing a strong personal bond with the Lord Captain. Interesting. But can we gently caress her? quote:А new looming threat arising from within the deepest and darkest bowels of the player’s very own voidship — the malignant Genestealer Cult — a horrific breed of xenos who operate from the shadows, infecting your crew with their genetic code to convert them, slowly twisting their faith in the Emperor to carry out their wretched designs. Interesting. But can we gently caress a genestealer? quote:New crew members — high-level officers integral to voidship operations, numbering thousands upon thousands of souls, stand ready to serve the Lord Captain. Interesting. But can we -
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