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Now that I think about it, my revised top 5 as of right now is: 1. Gordon 2. Pearson 3. Johnson 4. Petty 5. Earnhardt
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Logano is probably murdering Kenseth right now
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Nov 1, 2015 23:37
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I far preferred this week's fun insanity to last week's incompetent insanity.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:39
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That race was satisfying in a way that hasn't happened in a long time. Now... 
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Elitist Bitch posted:That race was satisfying in a way that hasn't happened in a long time. that smiley 
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Nov 1, 2015 23:43
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Legit, when was the last time we heard a crowd this loud multiple times in one race? Crazy
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ayn rand hand job posted:Logano is probably murdering Kenseth right now This whole race was  in the way a race hasnt been in a loooong time
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kidcoelacanth posted:Legit, when was the last time we heard a crowd this loud multiple times in one race? Crazy CactusWeasle posted:This whole race was This. Absolutely this.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:45
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I really, really want Logano to win Texas.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:47
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kidcoelacanth posted:Legit, when was the last time we heard a crowd this loud multiple times in one race? Crazy For Jeff Gordon, no less! It's been a strange week. Last week Brett Hearn stayed at OCFS despite WRG scheduling a points race against it as retribution for OCFS running a competing sanction's race last year. When he won the Saturday 358 race, the crowd went insane, and when he was introduced on Sunday everyone, myself included, cheered for him. He's been booed intensely for 30 years at OCFS. Now today, I'm cheering for Gordon. Really torn on my emotions lately.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:49
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VikingSkull posted:Now today, I'm cheering for Gordon. Really torn on my emotions lately. Trust no one. Not even yourself.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:50
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I can't help it. It's the same feeling I had after Earnhardt died, only in slow motion. I don't like Gordon, never have, but people like me lose just as much as a fan of his does, just for a different reason.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:52
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If NASCAR follows the Gordon/Bowyer precedent from Phoenix 2012, then not much of a penalty would come for Kenseth. If NASCAR is out of the control, they'll suspend Kenseth. Let's see what happens.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:52
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lol they aren't gonna suspend him
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fuseshock posted:If NASCAR follows the Gordon/Bowyer precedent from Phoenix 2012, then not much of a penalty would come for Kenseth. If NASCAR is out of the control, they'll suspend Kenseth. Let's see what happens. They should suspend him for 2 races
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Nov 1, 2015 23:57
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They could suspend him for the rest of the season but it's all lip service because they loving love him right now
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Nov 1, 2015 23:58
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The auto-advance rule is cool and good now. I like it and thank NASCAR for putting it in place. I'm going to enjoy the poo poo out of this because there's a chance it's the last. And I can live with that, because a winless final season was going to be a disappointment. VikingSkull posted:4 (maybe 5?) titles I count six. 1995, 97, 98, 2001, 07, 14. I've always maintained if there's no Chase in 2004, Jimmie wins. The only reason he lost the points lead going into that Chase was they turned the post-clinch races into R&D races and DNFed two, then wrecked at Richmond, allowing Gordon the lead. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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CBJSprague24 posted:The auto-advance rule is cool and good now. I like it and thank NASCAR for putting it in place. Same. - me, after dover
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Oh it was crazy alright, but I feel dirty for giving any credit to NASCAR for what has happened to the product. Kenseth needs to be sat- that interview was an amazing feat of cognitive dissonance. Not even Harvick has that level of dissonance. And everyone loves a list. I always lean heavily towards Championships so it's still: 1. Earnhardt 2. Petty 3. Pearson 4. Johnson 5. Gordon 6. Yarborough 7. Waltrip 8. Stewart 9. B. Allison 10. Elliott To be fair, that top 5 is pretty awesome and the gap between them is shades of greatness. I firmly believe you need 7 championships to be considered top 2. Pearson's insane 100 wins is pretty incredible and his relative short career I think trumps Gordon and Johnson. Johnson is the most intriguing of the top 5 because he still has some career left in front of him. If he gets to 7 I think he jumps to number 2. The only "downside" I can say about his career is a lack of "memorable" wins. No doubt he has the resume and big wins, but I'm hard pressed to think of a career defining win where I'll remember it in 5, 10, 20 years. Forget wins, I'm hard pressed to think of many "moments" from him that I'll remember. And when it comes to crowning the best of all time I think splitting hairs is only natural. If he can get 8 then I think I have to give him number 1, but he could be the most boring and unremarkable #1 of all time. Petty is displaced because so many of his 200 wins came in a time before time when NASCAR ran like 60 races a year and most teams couldn't afford two sets of tires. Gordon is behind Johnson because, lets be honest, 5 straight championships is sick and Gordon only has 4, so his wins can't overcome Johnson's crazy run. Edit- I badly undervalued Cale. 83 wins in ~500 starts, with 3 straight championships, not only leap frogs him over Stewart, but I think Waltrip as well. DW's 84 wins over ~800 starts really shows that he stuck around too long and I do think that hurt his stock. In DW's defense he's probably more of a legend that Cale due to his continued presence with the sport. I know that Cale has been criticized over the years for basically disappearing from the sport. SpitztheGreat fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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CBJSprague24 posted:I count six. I mean maybe 5 as in he might win this year. Not theoretical Cups if the Chase didn't exist. We have no way of knowing if JJ or the other guys would have run different strategies over those years to say for certain this or that guy was robbed.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:09
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SpitztheGreat posted:To be fair, that top 5 is pretty awesome and the gap between them is shades of greatness. I firmly believe you need 7 championships to be considered top 2. Pearson's insane 100 wins is pretty incredible and his relative short career I think trumps Gordon and Johnson. Johnson is the most intriguing of the top 5 because he still has some career left in front of him. If he gets to 7 I think he jumps to number 2. The only "downside" I can say about his career is a lack of "memorable" wins. No doubt he has the resume and big wins, but I'm hard pressed to think of a career defining win where I'll remember it in 5, 10, 20 years. Forget wins, I'm hard pressed to think of many "moments" from him that I'll remember. And when it comes to crowning the best of all time I think splitting hairs is only natural. If he can get 8 then I think I have to give him number 1, but he could be the most boring and unremarkable #1 of all time. Petty is displaced because so many of his 200 wins came in a time before time when NASCAR ran like 60 races a year and most teams couldn't afford two sets of tires. Gordon is behind Johnson because, lets be honest, 5 straight championships is sick and Gordon only has 4, so his wins can't overcome Johnson's crazy run. I don't place an emphasis on Cups, at least in Earnhardt and Petty's case, for two reasons. First, when Petty won the majority of his, he was running full schedules when a lot of guys didn't, and he had insane manufacturer support in an era where most guys had some form of it. Second, in Earnhardt's case, 3 of his major threats for titles died prematurely with Richmond, Allison and Kulwicki. the second Gordon won his first Cup, Earnhardt never won another. I do understand I'm most likely in the minority by looking at it like that, and your list is perfectly cool. All of those guys are legends in one way or another. In any case, there's a steep drop off from the top 5 to the next 5, save maybe DW. He straddles the two groups pretty much.
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kidcoelacanth posted:They could suspend him for the rest of the season but it's all lip service because they loving love him right now oh absolutely, it's like all of Brian France's hookers came at once.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:24
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The crowd going wild for that blatant wrecking is the funniest thing ever to me
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^^^ That bothered me. Any race fan should see that for the bullshit that it was. Also, they're cheering like Kenseth is a hero and Joey is a villain, but I can't see anyone really getting passionate about Joey wrecking Kenseth at Kansas; so I'm left thinking that it was a bunch of drunk rednecks who just like seeing wrecks and drama. VikingSkull posted:
I think that's probably the best takeaway. The top 5 should be universally acknowledged as such- you can tweak them as you want but they're the only 5 that can be there. I was only going to do a top 5 list but I thought it was important to show the drop off, because as you said it's really steep. Stewart could maybe be number 6, but I feel like his career has been a bit too erratic and DW's wins put him ahead of Stewart. Number 10 I thought was a pretty close call between Terry Labonte, Elliott, and Wallace. I went with Elliot because I think he's more of a legend and has those "memorable moments" that are good tie breakers. Terry has more championships, but half the wins of Elliott and was fairly quiet between his championship years. Wallace has a very impressive 55 wins (more than Elliott's 44) and a championship, and a good number of memorable moments, but I just couldn't put him above Elliott in terms of legends. Rusty is also responsible for giving us Steven Wallace in a race car, sot hat hurts. SpitztheGreat fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Neodoomium posted:The crowd going wild for that blatant wrecking is the funniest thing ever to me http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2l9p8i
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It's a massive double-standard with NASCAR. They encourage, then get mad about it, but they won't suspend anyone because they hope it draws eyes to them.Elitist Bitch posted:oh absolutely, it's like all of Brian France's hookers came at once. Something generated an orgasm out of him today between Logano/Kenseth and the Gordon win. BMB5150 posted:gently caress YEAH!  VikingSkull posted:I mean maybe 5 as in he might win this year. Not theoretical Cups if the Chase didn't exist. Ah, gotcha. It still hasn't processed in my mind that 5 is a possibility this year given how the year has gone. I'm just glad I don't really need to care about races for the first time since Richmond last year.
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Gordon apparently just went into the stands to celebrate with the remaining fans
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SpitztheGreat posted:I think that's probably the best takeaway. The top 5 should be universally acknowledged as such- you can tweak them as you want but they're the only 5 that can be there. I was only going to do a top 5 list but I thought it was important to show the drop off, because as you said it's really steep. Stewart could maybe be number 6, but I feel like his career has been a bit too erratic and DW's wins put him ahead of Stewart. To be honest, I'd replace Bobby Allison and Bill Elliot on that list with Tim Flock and Herb Thomas, in that order. Flock had 2 Cups with 39 wins and 129 top-10's in 187 starts and Thomas also had 2 Cups with 48 wins, 156 top-10's in 228 starts. Both outclass Elliot, and really only Allison's win total puts him in contention, having only one title. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Twitter posted:Darrell Waltrip @AllWaltrip 2h2 hours ago You know NASCAR is poo poo when loving DW says what a joke it is. loving DW! And he's got the brownest nose of them all.
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Hey, friends! I'm CBJ, and this is a show we haven't done in a while! It's called Denny Hamlin Should Probably Shut The gently caress Up! On today's episode, Denny's take on Kenseth/Logano, and how the intent compares to Harvick's potential dive last week:quote:Denny Hamlin @dennyhamlin 12m12 minutes ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhkNLHictW8 This has been Denny Hamlin Should Probably Shut The gently caress Up!. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Nov 2, 2015 00:41
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Is Denny maybe being dry/sarcastic?
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I can't tell, but it wouldn't be the first dumb thing Denny Hamlin has said completely seriously. 
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Yeah I took that as Denny being a little tongue-in-cheek there, especially considering he pretty much called out Harvick after last week
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So, I'm really mad about the Dallas Cow"boys" so excuse my anger. While I loved the exchange between Logano and Kenseth as theatre, NASCAR needs to stop this poo poo right the gently caress now. Take them in and let them cage match it out, IDGAF, but we don't need race cars getting torn up over this poo poo (I gotta say though, kudos to Kenseth in trying to only take out Logano. I don't know, I loved the race as an engaging event. It was not all good racing though, sorry not sorry. Not to take anything from Jeff, he ran a good race. shyduck posted:Gordon apparently just went into the stands to celebrate with the remaining fans :3 Elitist Bitch fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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shyduck posted:Gordon apparently just went into the stands to celebrate with the remaining fans Yep: quote:Matt Weaver @MattWeaverSBN 6m6 minutes ago
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DJ was saying on the post-race that he would have preferred they settled it at the hauler, which is pretty hilarious for anyone to say even if true. "Kenseth should have beaten his rear end" - Dale Jarrett
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Elitist Bitch posted:So, I'm really mad about the Dallas Cow"boys" so excuse my anger. While I loved the exchange between Logano and Kenseth as theatre, NASCAR needs to stop this poo poo right the gently caress now. Take them in and let them cage match it out, IDGAF, but we don't need race cars getting torn up over this poo poo (I gotta say though, kudos to Kenseth in trying to only take out Logano. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk
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VikingSkull posted:To be honest, I'd replace Bobby Allison and Bill Elliot on that list with Tim Flock and Herb Thomas, in that order. Flock had 2 Cups with 39 wins and 129 top-10's in 187 starts and Thomas also had 2 Cups with 48 wins, 156 top-10's in 228 starts. Both outclass Elliot, and really only Allison's win total puts him in contention, having only one title. I was trying to keep it to NASCAR's modern era (even though that's a bullshit designation) and even better to drivers I have atleast seen. I can tell you next to nothing about Tim Flock and Herb Thomas, so I personally can't include them on any list. If we're going way back in time then we have to include Lee Petty don't we? If we hold everything firm as 1972 forward, then I think Petty slips down the list; but that's not how we've ever done it and I didn't want to start now. And Hamlin was being 100% sarcastic, how could you guys not pick up on that. He's saying that Kenseth is full of poo poo but that if we're going to be intentionally obtuse about Harvick last week why not Kenseth this week? Edit- I don't understand DJ's reaction. I sometimes feel that when it comes to Logano and Keselowski the people involved in the sport see entirely different people than I do. Joey and Brad seem perfectly likable to me, but the garage does not like them. Even the Busch brothers seem to be more well liked, and that blows my mind. SpitztheGreat fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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