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Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Yeah sorry my post is kind of all over the place. Googling cleared it up.


Seems some people argue that mSATA is solower than a normal SATA. Some say you won't notice at all and others say it's pretty drastic.


So I guess my options are to remove the HDD and put the 1TB Samsung EVO in there or get a Samsung EVO mSATA and keep the HDD. If I do get an EVO mSATA I'll probably go the 500gb route. Still plenty of space but still a bit pricey at $300.

1TB should be plenty of space, regardless. Just thought it'd be nice to have a ton of storage on my laptop so I wouldn't have to worry about external hardrives.

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Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

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Just to be clear there is no performance difference between mSATA and SATA, the only difference is the shape of the connector.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Christoff posted:

Seems some people argue that mSATA is solower than a normal SATA. Some say you won't notice at all and others say it's pretty drastic.

It's the exact same thing. Problem is, some laptops mSATA slots are 2.0 where their SATA ports are 3.0

Here are benchmarks showing a SATA Samsung EVO against the mSATA version of the same capacity Samsung EVO

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
nm

Proud Christian Mom fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Apr 3, 2014

deimos
Nov 30, 2006

Forget it man this bat is whack, it's got poobrain!

go3 posted:

Is it slower, yes. Is it something you're going to notice, no. Its still a gozillion times faster than a platter HDD

The image right above your post shows otherwise.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Bob Morales posted:

It's the exact same thing. Problem is, some laptops mSATA slots are 2.0 where their SATA ports are 3.0

I think this is where I got conflicting answers.

I can't find any specifics on the laptop I linked but since it just came out I'm assuming the mSATA slots are 3.0

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
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Proud Christian Mom fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Apr 3, 2014

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

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go3 posted:

He's not going to notice the loving difference Jesus Christ
Please chill out and take the time to read. The point people are making is that there literally is no difference whatsoever, mSATA is not slower, the scores are identical to within the margin of error. All that's different is the physical shape of the connector and PCB.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
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moron izzard
Nov 17, 2006

Grimey Drawer
I'm not getting ssd caching right now, am I?



I got a replacement, preimaged hard drive from dell after some repairs. I get a prompt for intel rapid storage stuff in the bios every time I boot up now, and the volume associated with that 32gb msata drive appears to be disabled in that menu. I don't see it in windows explorer either (though I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to anyway)

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

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A Yolo Wizard posted:

I'm not getting ssd caching right now, am I?



I got a replacement, preimaged hard drive from dell after some repairs. I get a prompt for intel rapid storage stuff in the bios every time I boot up now, and the volume associated with that 32gb msata drive appears to be disabled in that menu. I don't see it in windows explorer either (though I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to anyway)
I'm thinking not, I suspect that it is seeing the old cache volume and refusing to do anything. You might try wiping the SSD and then re-enabling SRT.

Bigsteve
Dec 15, 2000

Cock It!
Just picked up a Samsung Evo 250 cheap from Amazon. Couple of questions, with the keeping 20% can I make a partition and just never use it or does it have to be per partition? Also if I stick MP3s on there will it have a detrimental effect on lifespan or will it be fine?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Bigsteve posted:

Just picked up a Samsung Evo 250 cheap from Amazon. Couple of questions, with the keeping 20% can I make a partition and just never use it or does it have to be per partition? Also if I stick MP3s on there will it have a detrimental effect on lifespan or will it be fine?
The extra space could be a second partition, but doing so would be pointless. The job of that 20% is to be empty, so that the drive doesn't need to shuffle data around between flash blocks. The drive doesn't care whether you have a full-size partition with unused space, some unpartitioned space, or ten partitions of your own inventions as long as there are unused blocks.

If you put mp3s in that 20% space, it wouldn't be empty would it? I think you are getting the impression that there is some sort of physical structure here, like putting a partition at the front of a spinning disk for more speed or something. Partitions on flash have zero to do with physical locations.

Bigsteve
Dec 15, 2000

Cock It!

Klyith posted:

If you put mp3s in that 20% space, it wouldn't be empty would it? I think you are getting the impression that there is some sort of physical structure here, like putting a partition at the front of a spinning disk for more speed or something. Partitions on flash have zero to do with physical locations.

Didn't mean in the partition, just in general. Got it in my head that constant access to media will be a problem.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

:f5:

Waiting to pounce on the next $100-ish (without rebate) 240GB SSD

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Bigsteve posted:

Didn't mean in the partition, just in general. Got it in my head that constant access to media will be a problem.
Oh, in that case no, not at all. Flash isn't worn out by reading, only writing.

Most people don't put mp3s or other media on their SSDs unless it's a laptop. SSD space is expensive and regular cheap hard drives do just fine for even the high-rezziest HD video playback. We'd rather use the SSD space for programs or games, which load faster from a SSD. But that's all it is, if you don't play computer games and your music collection will fit on the SSD, go for it.

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

Lipstick Apathy

Bob Morales posted:

:f5:

Waiting to pounce on the next $100-ish (without rebate) 240GB SSD

Don't buy a poo poo cheap brand save an e tea $50 and get a good one. This also isn't the deal thread. Most of the ones posted there are poo poo.

synthetik
Feb 28, 2007

I forgive you, Will. Will you forgive me?
Got three 1TB Evo's at $350 each shipped - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3623779

deimos
Nov 30, 2006

Forget it man this bat is whack, it's got poobrain!

You are a monster sir.

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010




I've been meaning to ask, do you ship to Europe?

synthetik
Feb 28, 2007

I forgive you, Will. Will you forgive me?

Geemer posted:

I've been meaning to ask, do you ship to Europe?

yep. add $20 for shipping.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

deimos posted:

You are a monster sir.
Also a scholar and a gentleman.

deimos
Nov 30, 2006

Forget it man this bat is whack, it's got poobrain!

DrDork posted:

Also a scholar and a gentleman.

He truly was a gentleman to my wallet. Not so sure about the scholar part.

Also Syn, check your PMs.

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



synthetik posted:

yep. add $20 for shipping.

Hot drat, I may have to pay more attention to when you post with these.

Kachunkachunk
Jun 6, 2011
Holy poo poo! I just got a 500GB for 300 and change. Will need to watch more closely.

blowingupcasinos
Feb 21, 2006
So I called about about a 1.5 yr old Crucial M4 drive that isn't booting up Windows. The guys on tech support told me to connect the drive to a power supply overnight to let TRIM do work and maybe that'll let me get my data back? Do you guys know anything about this? How long exactly is "overnight". I can't imagine anything more than a couple hours is necessary, but then again, I couldn't imagine my drive just making GBS threads itself either...

Hiyoshi
Jun 27, 2003

The jig is up!

blowingupcasinos posted:

So I called about about a 1.5 yr old Crucial M4 drive that isn't booting up Windows. The guys on tech support told me to connect the drive to a power supply overnight to let TRIM do work and maybe that'll let me get my data back? Do you guys know anything about this? How long exactly is "overnight". I can't imagine anything more than a couple hours is necessary, but then again, I couldn't imagine my drive just making GBS threads itself either...
My co-worker and I had the same problem with our ~1 year old M4's and were able to get them to boot by booting into the BIOS, waiting for 20 minutes in the BIOS, and rebooting. When we booted into BIOS the drive wasn't detected, but after rebooting the drive was magically detected again. Sounds ridiculous but worked for both of us. If this works, I strongly recommend that you back up everything ASAP.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

blowingupcasinos posted:

I can't imagine anything more than a couple hours is necessary, but then again, I couldn't imagine my drive just making GBS threads itself either...
There's no exact time frame involved. "Letting TRIM run" isn't going to do a damned thing (and is also impossible with the data cable disconnected since TRIM commands are sent by the OS to begin with), but it is possible that leaving it powered on for awhile may allow it to recover from whatever internal panic state it's gotten itself in to. In this case there is no harm to leaving it on for longer, so you might as well give it a whole night to maximize your (admittedly small) change of it recovering itself.

luigionlsd
Jan 9, 2006

i dont know what this is i think its some kind of nazi giraffe or nazi mountains or something i dont know
Just purchased a Sandisk Extreme II (240gb) to replace my Intel SSD 320 (120gb). $159.99 at Micro Center, and instant gratification.

I hope it still belongs on the "Great high-end drives" list!

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

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It probably would have been smarter to buy a Samsung 840 Evo like the OP said, but if they didn't have them the SanDisk Extreme II is still a fine drive.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

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luigionlsd posted:

Just purchased a Sandisk Extreme II (240gb) to replace my Intel SSD 320 (120gb). $159.99 at Micro Center, and instant gratification.

I hope it still belongs on the "Great high-end drives" list!

Run back and exchange it for the Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB, like Alereon said, it's the same price. And the Micro Center guys are usually pretty liberal about returns.

Check your local branch to see if there are any in stock, there are at mine in Brooklyn, but might not be at yours.

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TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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Why? Does the Extreme II no longer belong on the Great Drives list in the OP?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

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Wilford Cutlery posted:

Why? Does the Extreme II no longer belong on the Great Drives list in the OP?
The Samsung 840 Evo is a mid-range drive that uses special sauce (TurboWrite and RAPID mode) to perform like an ultra-high-end drive for most of the workloads desktop users care about, but for write heavy workloads will drop back to performing like a mid-range drive. The SanDisk Extreme II is a high-end drive that has better performance for write-heavy workloads, but the 840 Evo still beats it for normal desktop users. That's why the OP describes the Samsung 840 Evo as "the best drive for average desktop users, as it offers the same performance you find in high-end drives with the price of a low-end drive." Right next to those great high-end drives it says "you should probably just get a Samsung 840 Evo."

I don't think there's a good reason to return a SanDisk Exteme II for a Samsung 840 Evo, but I would rather own the 840 Evo and I think it's a better choice for most people.

Macksy
Oct 20, 2008
Okay I think these are the thread approved drives, but is there any reason to get http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1229_1088&item_id=061789 over the 20bux cheaper http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1229_1088&item_id=062498 ? Aside from the usual media stuff I do alot of large-size digital illustration and painting.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

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Macksy posted:

Okay I think these are the thread approved drives, but is there any reason to get http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1229_1088&item_id=061789 over the 20bux cheaper http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1229_1088&item_id=062498 ? Aside from the usual media stuff I do alot of large-size digital illustration and painting.
No, but you would seriously benefit from a larger drive, at least 250GB. 120GB isn't very much at all when you consider the size of Windows and the need to keep at least 20% free.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Alereon posted:

No, but you would seriously benefit from a larger drive, at least 250GB. 120GB isn't very much at all when you consider the size of Windows and the need to keep at least 20% free.
While true, our poor northern brothers get dicked over on prices--moving from a $119 120GB drive to a $339 240GB drive (for the S3500) is bound to hurt the budget--and really suggests that maybe you should be shopping somewhere else for your SSD needs. Or you should just get the 250GB EVO for $169 (pick this one).

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

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Wilford Cutlery posted:

Why? Does the Extreme II no longer belong on the Great Drives list in the OP?

Alereon posted:

The Samsung 840 Evo is a mid-range drive that uses special sauce (TurboWrite and RAPID mode) to perform like an ultra-high-end drive for most of the workloads desktop users care about, but for write heavy workloads will drop back to performing like a mid-range drive. The SanDisk Extreme II is a high-end drive that has better performance for write-heavy workloads, but the 840 Evo still beats it for normal desktop users.
To illustrate this more clearly, I took a graph from the Anandtech Samsung SSD 840 Evo review and added a line to approximately represent the SanDisk Extreme II 240GB:


The Samsung 840 Evo 120GB and 256GB have 3GB of SLC (extremely fast flash) cache. Most desktop users usually don't write more than this without giving the drive a chance to empty the cache, meaning that the Samsung 840 Evo spends nearly all of its time on the left edge of that graph, where it is significantly faster than the SanDisk Extreme II 240GB. Larger models have even more cache and spend more time in this area, as well as being faster after exhausting their cache However, the SanDisk offers more consistent performance once you exceed the size of the cache, which is why it is classified as a high-end drive. The Samsung 840 Pro behaves similarly, though higher-capacity models scale in performance better. That graph really makes the Samsung 840 Evo 500GB ($269.99 at Amazon) look like a drat fine desktop drive.

Alereon fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Apr 12, 2014

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK
I got absolutely sick and loving tired of OS X Mavericks being a right piece of poo poo OS (Jobs must be spinning in his grave at an almost pulsar-like rate) on my mid-2009 MacBook Pro and decided that I'm going back to Snow Leopard. I don't want to go through yet another round of backups and restores to whatever small POS drives I can find around the house, and I can't be arsed carefully exporting all the saved passwords and mail and contacts and all that, so I pulled the trigger on the SSD purchase my brother's been recommending for months and will do a fresh install.

Thanks Alereon for the OP! I got a Samsung 840 EVO 250GB off Amazon for about 15,000 yen (about 150 US) and signed up for the Prime trial so the bastard should arrive tomorrow -- I can't wait to get this laptop back to a usable state.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

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Remember that after the fresh install you can always get Migration Assistant to bring over your old accounts, although it might gawk if you are downgrading from 10.9.x to 10.6.8.

Although your Mac has the roundly criticized nVidia MCP79 SATA controller, the Samsung should work just fine with it; I have the Samsung 830 still running in a 13-inch mid-2009 MBP and apart from one warranty-covered switch out, it's been fine for nearly 2 years.

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Feb 6, 2004

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Weatherman posted:

I got absolutely sick and loving tired of OS X Mavericks being a right piece of poo poo OS (Jobs must be spinning in his grave at an almost pulsar-like rate) on my mid-2009 MacBook Pro and decided that I'm going back to Snow Leopard. I don't want to go through yet another round of backups and restores to whatever small POS drives I can find around the house, and I can't be arsed carefully exporting all the saved passwords and mail and contacts and all that, so I pulled the trigger on the SSD purchase my brother's been recommending for months and will do a fresh install.

Thanks Alereon for the OP! I got a Samsung 840 EVO 250GB off Amazon for about 15,000 yen (about 150 US) and signed up for the Prime trial so the bastard should arrive tomorrow -- I can't wait to get this laptop back to a usable state.
Since the chipset of that system has known incompatibilities with SSDs make sure you leave at least 20% of the drive unpartitioned (not just free). TRIM may work, but I definitely wouldn't trust it on an nVidia chipset, and Samsung drives fare very poorly when low on clean memory.

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