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Probably Magic posted:I hope whatever team you root for drafts Dak Prescott and starts him for multiple entire seasons out of no alternative. I'm a Colts fan, so I don't think that's very realistic.
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Roasted Donut posted:Winston is the best QB in this draft and it isn't even close.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Jameis Winston is a barely functional interception throwing baby loser and has not shown a single marketable talent for the NFL and will be the albatross around the neck of whatever GM is going to be dumb enough to draft him good job being the typical TFF NFL poster that has never watched college football and don't know a drat thing about any prospects except what retard doltos says
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Atticus Finch posted:You said this about Manziel last year. One year does not make a QB
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Roasted Donut posted:good job being the typical TFF NFL poster that has never watched college football and don't know a drat thing about any prospects except what retard doltos says What skills do you think he shows that would make him even a marginal threat at the pro level? His accuracy is garbage even for the college game. His elusiveness has been exposed at the professional level. His personality is a giant siren
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Jan 2, 2015 06:43
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Which Ohio State players go higher than they should now that they just owned Alabama
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Which Ohio State players go higher than they should now that they just owned Alabama is ezekiel elliot eligible
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Mel Mudkiper posted:What skills do you think he shows that would make him even a marginal threat at the pro level? He's completing like 66% of his passes
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Jan 2, 2015 06:46
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Mel Mudkiper posted:What skills do you think he shows that would make him even a marginal threat at the pro level? You have like no idea what you're talking about except the last part
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Jan 2, 2015 06:47
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Winston locks onto his intended receiver like a lazer beam. That poo poo won't fly in the NFL.
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:He's completing like 66% of his passes Many of them to the other team EDIT: I am not trying to be a shithead here. I have not seen anyone clearly explain what he is supposed to bring to the professional level that is supposed to make him worth the risk. Every skill he seems lauded for has a big asterisk of "may not work at the professional level" Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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davecrazy posted:Winston locks onto his intended receiver like a lazer beam. That poo poo won't fly in the NFL. Works for Carr! Seriously though, cut that poo poo out Derek.
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Jan 2, 2015 06:55
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pillsburysoldier posted:You have like no idea what you're talking about except the last part Hahaha, Manziel doesn't have the speed to be considered elusive at a pro level. He's also a loving midget but couldn't hold Flutie's jock, though he'd probably do a line off of it.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Which Ohio State players go higher than they should now that they just owned Alabama anyone on defense since dick lebeau loves them all and wants to kiss them on the mouth
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Jan 2, 2015 06:56
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Mel Mudkiper posted:What skills do you think he shows that would make him even a marginal threat at the pro level? No Nope WHo cares
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Jan 2, 2015 06:56
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hopefully winston can redefine draft bust. ryan leaf was 17 years ago its time for someone new to take the throne
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wheez the roux posted:hopefully winston can redefine draft bust. ryan leaf was 17 years ago its time for someone new to take the throne Winston will only be the new Vince Young, and you're just going to have to deal with it. JFF, on the other hand....
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wheez the roux posted:hopefully winston can redefine draft bust. ryan leaf was 17 years ago its time for someone new to take the throne Jamarcus
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wheez the roux posted:hopefully winston can redefine draft bust. ryan leaf was 17 years ago its time for someone new to take the throne Jamarcus tried, man
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Blitz7x posted:Jamarcus I think Winston gives too much of a poo poo to fall that far.
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He has thrown 17 INTs against college defenses. How is that not, at best, extremely worrying?
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wheez the roux posted:hopefully winston can redefine draft bust. ryan leaf was 17 years ago its time for someone new to take the throne Jamaracus was like 5 years ago
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Probably Magic posted:Winston will only be the new Vince Young, and you're just going to have to deal with it. Vince Young was awful so I can definitely deal with it.
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Jan 2, 2015 07:00
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pillsburysoldier posted:Jamaracus was like 5 years ago Leaf was a bigger bust
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Leaf was a bigger bust Leaf is legit the modern pinnacle of football busts and there will not be another until there is a Manning to compare to that same draft class.
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Leaf was a bigger bust In every way but weight
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Many of them to the other team For a guy with a Mel Kiper pokemon as an avatar you would think you'd know something about a college player translating to the NFL. Winston has all the physical tools (athleticism, arm strength, size) that translates to the NFL. He can read a defense and make adjustments at the line. He runs a pro style offense that relies on anticipation throws and route trees that many NFL offenses run. You can't rattle him, look how often FSU was down this year and he led them back every time except tonight which you can pretty much put on his skill players and not him. He didn't fumble the ball away 4 times and drop multiple passes that should have been caught. He has great ball placement. Watch some of his throws tonight, tight windows and he hit them. I guess I don't really see where he can't be a good/great NFL QB. He does have a tendency to make high/bad throws but that's nothing that can't be fixed. That's pretty much the only knock on him outside of off the field issues. You can throw the INT #'s out there but if you watch them a lot were on his young (freshman) receivers being out of place/running the wrong route. Yes he did force passes but he was much better at checking down this year than he was last year.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Leaf is legit the modern pinnacle of football busts and there will not be another until there is a Manning to compare to that same draft class. Calvin Johnson would have been a Raider if Al hadn't overruled Kiffin
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wandler20 posted:For a guy with a Mel Kiper pokemon as an avatar you would think you'd know something about a college player translating to the NFL. I kinda think that wherever he goes, that team is probably going to draft Rashad in the 4th+ rounds to keep him having some familiarity and chemistry off the bat
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warcrimes posted:Hahaha, Manziel doesn't have the speed to be considered elusive at a pro level. He's also a loving midget but couldn't hold Flutie's jock, though he'd probably do a line off of it. Neither does Russell Wilson. He has the agility to be elusive, and that's what matters as far as making things happen in the pocket. He just doesn't have breakaway speed, so he's the kind of guy who can potentially pick up 5-15 yards gains consistently when the defense gives him a lane. Not gonna turn those into 60 yarders like young Vick could do though.
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pillsburysoldier posted:I kinda think that wherever he goes, that team is probably going to draft Rashad in the 4th+ rounds to keep him having some familiarity and chemistry off the bat Probably wouldn't be a bad idea, plus you know getting a decent WR to boot. Rashad probably won't tear the NFL up but he could be a good slot/#2 type guy.
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wandler20 posted:For a guy with a Mel Kiper pokemon as an avatar you would think you'd know something about a college player translating to the NFL. You cannot real avatar shame a guy when you are wearing a giant homer flag. But whatever, I feel what you are saying. I just feel like the NFL is built upon the graves of guys with the physical tools who can read college level defenses. I also really do not think you can discount his meltdown tonight. Yes, its one game, but its also the only game he lost and he did not handle it well.
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Volkerball posted:Neither does Russell Wilson. He has the agility to be elusive, and that's what matters as far as making things happen in the pocket. He just doesn't have breakaway speed, so he's the kind of guy who can potentially pick up 5-15 yards gains consistently when the defense gives him a lane. Not gonna turn those into 60 yarders like young Vick could do though. Wilson is still taller and way more athletic than Manziel. He also has better arm strength and accuracy down field. I mean, this is a ridiculous comparison. The only agility I saw was him avoiding a first hit in the pocket and immediately being taken down one yard later because he can't get away.
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It's also one of the few games where he faced anything resembling the type of competition he can expect in every game for his entire NFL career outside of the 4th quarter of preseason games. Gabbert absolutely should have been discounted for one game, because it was the only one that put him in an NFL position and he failed miserably. warcrimes posted:Wilson is still taller and way more athletic than Manziel. He also has better arm strength and accuracy down field. I mean, this is a ridiculous comparison. The only agility I saw was him avoiding a first hit in the pocket and immediately being taken down one yard later because he can't get away. Did you watch anything of him in college? Arguing about whether he can translate it to the NFL is a separate thing. Dude is wriggly as gently caress.
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I wouldn't read into tonights game re Winston much at all, Oregon has a really bad defense and he was throwing to wide open receivers, and on the other hand the turnovers were pretty flukey. He dropped in a real nice pass in traffic early on. I think he's a head case though. Odd case, very interesting.
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Roasted Donut posted:good job being the typical TFF NFL poster that has never watched college football and don't know a drat thing about any prospects except what retard doltos says Your schtick is lame but your broken clock hit apparently. I bet Winston is the best QB in this draft when alls said and done.
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Also all you idiots play nice in this thread. Draft evaluation is entirely subjective and if you think you're right all the time assessing a prospect then you're dumber than McShay.
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wandler20 posted:Probably wouldn't be a bad idea, plus you know getting a decent WR to boot. Rashad probably won't tear the NFL up but he could be a good slot/#2 type guy. I'd be pretty shocked if Green fell past the second round.
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African AIDS cum posted:I wouldn't read into tonights game re Winston much at all, Oregon has a really bad defense and he was throwing to wide open receivers, and on the other hand the turnovers were pretty flukey. He dropped in a real nice pass in traffic early on. I think he's a head case though. Odd case, very interesting. He really struggled early on, and seemed like he couldn't get on target with anything other than screens, but you can't put the whole game on him. There were a few of those passes that, had they been better placed, the receiver would've had an easier job not fumbling it, but NFL guys can generally hold on to the drat ball in those situations. It got pretty ridiculous. He lost his poo poo out there though, and that's concerning, especially if he goes early and is expected to play for a poo poo team where bad things are going to happen.
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