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Zaggitz posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3od0CeSqFcA ... There is... logic in what he says.
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If that guitar lick is actually in the soundtrack I'm going to find whoever wrote that episode and give them so many medals that the weight of their meritorious lucre will plunge them into an early (or deeper) grave.
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Aug 28, 2014 04:07
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Oxxidation posted:If that guitar lick is actually in the soundtrack I'm going to find whoever wrote that episode and give them so many medals that the weight of their meritorious lucre will plunge them into an early (or deeper) grave. Alas, the world is not so beautiful.
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Aug 28, 2014 04:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt67k3AEl1s It's still p beautiful.
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Aug 28, 2014 04:09
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Man, the Davison-era Cybermen really just totally gave up on that whole "emotionless" thing, huh?
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Aug 28, 2014 04:14
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DoctorWhat posted:Man, the Davison-era Cybermen really just totally gave up on that whole "emotionless" thing, huh? They're the EXCELLENT era Cybermen, from the 70s until the revival.
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Aug 28, 2014 04:15
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Toxxupation posted:And finally, we get to the cherry on top of this crap sundae, which are the Cybermen. Although one thing that's definitely worse about these Cybermen is the stupid catch phrase. It doesn't even make sense! They're cyborgs, not robots, and even if they were robots there's no reason that they would call killing "deleting" because that's incredibly dumb. Daleks yelling "exterminate" constantly makes some sense, because they're constantly enraged beings designed to hate, and you couldn't really have them not do it at this point since it's so iconic. The Cybermen never had a catch phrase though and they didn't need one. That wasn't the magical ingredient they'd always been missing. I do like the idea of having alternate universe Cybermen though, that's a good way to bring them back without all the ridiculous bullshit from the old series (glitter guns), so it's pretty unfortunate that the new version turned out to not be an improvement.
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Aug 28, 2014 04:31
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I wish they'd embrace the organic nature of Cybermen more. Rather than having their emotions purged it would make them scarier if they were actually happy all the time. The Cybermen are ultimately good-intentioned after all, they just want to upgrade as many people as possible so they can have what they have, they actually think they are improving people. Makes sense that part of that process would be having the suits chemically make the person inside happy all the time.
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Aug 28, 2014 04:41
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Senor Tron posted:I wish they'd embrace the organic nature of Cybermen more. Rather than having their emotions purged it would make them scarier if they were actually happy all the time. The Cybermen are ultimately good-intentioned after all, they just want to upgrade as many people as possible so they can have what they have, they actually think they are improving people. Happy sing-song voices would go a long way towards making even the dumb iron-man suits more engaging.
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Aug 28, 2014 04:44
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Trig, man, you're as far off base as possible. Here's how it works- the original Cybermen were awesome. I can name three good Cyberman stories, like was alluded to earlier. Tenth Planet, Tomb, Invasion. (I have not seen Moonbase) Tenth and Tomb were both good CYBERMAN stories, though Tenth was more about them then Tomb was. Invasion, on the flip side, is just a fantastic goddamn serial that happens to have the Cybermen as the villains. It also has, to me, the single best looking Cybermen in all of Doctor Who- New or Old. And I mean that. After that? Nothing but giant turd mountains. Just piles of poo poo so high you need wings to see the top. You know what didn't get introduced until after these stories? That loving Gold weakness. So yet again it comes down to this simple fact. There hasn't been a good Cyberman story in 40 loving years.
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Burkion posted:There hasn't been a good Cyberman story in 40 loving years. On TV. Spare Parts, come on!
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Aug 28, 2014 04:52
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In addition to Spare Parts, The Silver Turk was quite fun. Mary Shelly befriending a Tenth Planet Cyberman! It's great!
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Aug 28, 2014 05:00
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Say what you will about the Cybermen in this episode, it's still nowhere near as bad a story as "Silver Nemesis." (Which I know Occupation will never watch. And he's better off for it.)
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Say what you will about the Cybermen in this episode, it's still nowhere near as bad a story as "Silver Nemesis." (Which I know Occupation will never watch. And he's better off for it.) Refer to my previous posts you pleblord.
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Zaggitz posted:Refer to my previous posts you pleblord. Listen, I love the Cybermen Excellenting All Around as much as one guy can, but that serial is incredibly Awful.
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Zaggitz posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3od0CeSqFcA This makes me believe that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure was just the story of two Cybermen with wild imaginations who stole the TARDIS.
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Jsor posted:This makes me believe that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure was just the story of two Cybermen with wild imaginations who stole the TARDIS. Of course it was.  Nah, Robot Bill and Ted look too good to be Cybermen. Lycus fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Aug 28, 2014 07:32
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Tiggum posted:Despite what anyone says, there are no good Cybermen. They have always been terrible. The concept is good, as Gaz-L said it's essentially the same as the Borg, but (like the Borg) it almost immediately starts getting a whole bunch of unnecessary poo poo added to it. Believe it or not, they could actually have been worse. The old Cybermen's greatest weakness was that gold dust would clog up their respirators and kill them. Gold dust. The good guys used weapons called "glitter guns" against them. That was added nearly a decade (and five stories) after they first appeared, FYI. To be quite honest you can get from Tenth Planet to the EXCELLENT cybermen pretty easily by focusing on the wrong part of their situation. One of the thing that works best for early Cybermen is that they looked run down (you can really see the Tenth Planet cybermen being built up piece by piece rather than as one big robot) and thought they were doing everyone a favour. Unfortunately this is the element that had been lost - they kept the will to survive only. By Revenge the cybermen, in essence, knew they were baddies. Toxxupation posted:[*] That cold open was so bad it looped back around to fuckin incredible. "AND HOW WILL YOU DO THAT FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE". Jesus Christ. I'm sorry, I don't quite get what you mean
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Aug 28, 2014 12:20
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By coincidence I watched my Tenth Planet DVD last night. Man those guys are much more creepy and weird than anything we've seen since. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBHGbBJwyh0
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Aug 28, 2014 12:22
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One of the most useful interpretations of Cybermen for me was that they represented the Threat of Communism in the same mode as the Nazism of the Daleks. Cybermen want everyone to be made equal as impersonal automatons of the State, trying to convert or destroy everyone they encounter into will-less beings like themselves. The Daleks on the other hand were created by an insane 'charismatic' leader and have become a unstoppable force of genocidal xenophobia based on their twisted ideas on genetic purity. That 1960's/Cold War/post-WWII-horrors lens colors a lot of how they both were created, shoestring design budget and goofy low-tech effects notwithstanding.
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Aug 28, 2014 12:39
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Oh yeah, Occ there's one more similarity that you've missed: Lumic is just a knock off version of the Dalek's wheelchair bound dying creator, Davros.
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Aug 28, 2014 12:42
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Toxxupation posted:if this thread ended right now, I would almost certainly continue watching the show anyways not because I think the show is good, but because it has the capacity to be good You are not the only one.
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Aug 28, 2014 13:29
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"I'm watching this not because it's good but because it has the capacity to be good" is also the descriptor for like 90 percent of TV, in my opinion, especially anything speculative that focuses on monster-of-the-week.
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Aug 28, 2014 13:57
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Oxxidation posted:Parallel universes are seldom a good idea. Parallel universe stories can work if your actors have the chops to sell the hell out of the idea that There's Two Of Everything. So basically Fringe.
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Aug 28, 2014 15:10
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howe_sam posted:Parallel universe stories can work if your actors have the chops to sell the hell out of the idea that There's Two Of Everything. So basically Fringe. On the other hand, parallel universes also have some value when your cast is as hilariously bad as Noel Clarke. His "acting" as Rickey is amazing.
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Aug 28, 2014 15:30
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Toxxupation posted:But even if the show is 100% guaranteed to be absolutely atrocious from this episode on out, I'd still watch... 
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Soothing Vapors posted:On the other hand, parallel universes also have some value when your cast is as hilariously bad as Noel Clarke. His "acting" as Rickey is amazing. I don't remember the episode well enough to know if it was in this or part 2, but isn't that part of the joke with Rickey?
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Aug 28, 2014 15:58
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howe_sam posted:Parallel universe stories can work if your actors have the chops to sell the hell out of the idea that There's Two Of Everything. So basically Fringe. There's a story from the Third Doctor called Inferno where the Doctor is sent to a parallel (and fascist) world with evil versions of the main non-Doctor characters which has the plot one day in advance of "normal" Earth. It's really really good. It also has one of the best cliffhangers in Doctor Who. So there's this drill thing going down to the Earth's core and the Doctor thinks the Earth will be destroyed if it starts up and the main scientist is a jerk who ignores him. And so the Doctor disguises himself as one of the techs to try and stop it. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x248uqd_doctor-who-inferno-4-7_shortfilms (Skip to 22 minutes or so). The cliffhanger is that the Doctor is caught before he can stop the drill and the final words are the countdown going to two... one... ze- over the credits. How the gently caress does the Doctor get out of this??? He actually doesn't. He's right, the entire // Earth is destroyed!
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Aug 28, 2014 16:58
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I like the idea that various enemy races in Doctor Who represent different threats to the UK from the present or past. The Daleks are indeed Nazi metaphors, the Cybermen are the Soviet Union. There's a race I can think of that represents the people of places England has colonized striking back against those who took their land. I'm sure if you tried hard enough you could come up with some sort of real world thing the Slitheen reference. Maybe.
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Aug 28, 2014 22:39
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Spatula City posted:I'm sure if you tried hard enough you could come up with some sort of real world thing the Slitheen reference. Maybe. America
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Aug 28, 2014 22:41
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Spatula City posted:I like the idea that various enemy races in Doctor Who represent different threats to the UK from the present or past. According to some terrible tumblrtard article I read, the Gelth represent immigrants and show's treatment of them is anti-immigrant Or something
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Aug 28, 2014 22:46
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Spatula City posted:I like the idea that various enemy races in Doctor Who represent different threats to the UK from the present or past. The Slitheen are pretty clearly meant to represent New Labour at the dawn of the War on Terror.
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Aug 28, 2014 23:40
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Ecclestone is the shellshocked british liberal, stunned into apathy by the Iraq war he was incapable of preventing. Tennant is Blair: they're both scottish affecting english accents, charismatic, and handsome. they both get away with war crimes and retain popularity.
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Aug 29, 2014 00:13
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Rarity posted:America Much too easy.
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Aug 29, 2014 00:13
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Quick, billie piper, I need you to act as wooden and awkward as humanly possible, I know it'll be a huge acting feat but you can do it "Cor blimey, are ya shure about dat mistah dave-ees?"
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nuzak posted:Ecclestone is the shellshocked british liberal, stunned into apathy by the Iraq war he was incapable of preventing. Tennant is Blair: they're both scottish affecting english accents, charismatic, and handsome. they both get away with war crimes and retain popularity. Well Blair DID regenerate into Tennant 
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Aug 29, 2014 02:33
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Aug 29, 2014 02:50
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyexKUSKFW0
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Aug 29, 2014 02:52
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There are certain kinds of actors and actresses that can make bad material sound great a lot of the time, and then there are those that come off awful unless the material's good. Piper is the latter, most actors playing companions after her are the former.
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