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Barudak posted:I for one, support closer ties between the U.S.A. and the E.U. Perhaps some sort of federal system of states that each follow individual laws unless they violate the federal rules and elect a president and representatives to the national body through a complicated, confusing system wherein no one actually votes directly for the President and most real power is held in numerous committees helmed by career politicians. So like the UK then.
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i wish there was an american union and we had free open borders across all the america. rednecks would probably ruin it though and vote against it because they hate brown people or something.
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Jun 25, 2016 05:04
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Reason posted:i wish there was an american union and we had free open borders across all the america. rednecks would probably ruin it though and vote against it because they hate brown people or something. They blocked the creation of a cross North American highway and instead of reveling in how fuckin cool it would be to have a currency called the Amero they send FW:FW:FW:ONE WORLD CURRENCY so they've already won that fight here.
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Jun 25, 2016 05:07
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Reason posted:i wish there was an american union and we had free open borders across all the america. rednecks would probably ruin it though and vote against it because they hate brown people or something. We have kind of have that with nafta, and liberals seem to hate it more than red necks. Expanding it to South America doesn't seem like the best call right now, though.
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Jun 25, 2016 05:09
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*invades Canada twice* *Invades Mexico twice* gently caress the Canadians and Trejos we never a wanted union anyways
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Jun 25, 2016 05:10
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lmaoquote:Cornwall votes for Brexit and then pleads to keep EU funding http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...f-a7101311.html
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Jun 25, 2016 05:13
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squidgee posted:We have kind of have that with nafta, and liberals seem to hate it more than red necks.
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Jun 25, 2016 05:15
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It's okay though guys, Genius100 is on the case Jeez Cornwall, just turn yourself into Las Vegas overnight, it's so simple you loving plebs 
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Jun 25, 2016 05:18
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Jesus christ. How can people be this short sighted. This kind of poo poo just makes me angry. All the campaign to leave and just now they are realizing the benefits of the EU?
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Jun 25, 2016 05:24
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Wait how are they spending a BILLION loving DOLLARS in a county with 500,000 people over 7 years. What. The gently caress. Are they using it to light fires. Like how what? Yea, I bet you do want to keep getting a billion loving dollars.
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Jun 25, 2016 05:32
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if this massive fuckup does not permanently destroy the political careers of the "everything will be fine!" leave camp then nothing matters
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Jun 25, 2016 05:37
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Hollismason posted:Wait how are they spending a BILLION loving DOLLARS in a county with 500,000 people over 7 years. What. The gently caress. Are they using it to light fires. Like how what? Well, see, yeah they might get a billion dollars over seven years invested in their county but on the other hand some people with accents might potentially move in down the street so really it's a tossup whether the EU has benefited them at all.
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Jun 25, 2016 05:38
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logikv9 posted:then nothing matters I've got some bad news on that front.
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Jun 25, 2016 05:41
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Hollismason posted:Wait how are they spending a BILLION loving DOLLARS in a county with 500,000 people over 7 years. What. The gently caress. Are they using it to light fires. Like how what? it's pretty easy when you're an irrelevant economic backwater, you just piss away the money on pointless projects that are underutilized and potentially shuttered in five years politicians love spending money and opening new job centers and roadways and such. how many politicians are around for the five year anniversary
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Jun 25, 2016 05:41
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A billion isn't actually that much on a country scale. A billion spread over 500.000 Inhabitants is 2000 per head, over 7 years is ~ 286 a year. The UKs yearly budget is over a trillion dollars.
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Mr. Nemo posted:Jesus christ. How can people be this short sighted. This kind of poo poo just makes me angry. All the campaign to leave and just now they are realizing the benefits of the EU? "I am not rich now, I hate brown people moving in, and the loud angry people that agreed with me promised me it would all work out somehow." Same reason we got Trump anywhere near power.
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Hollismason posted:Wait how are they spending a BILLION loving DOLLARS in a county with 500,000 people over 7 years. What. The gently caress. Are they using it to light fires. Like how what?
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TheBalor posted:Here in Oregon, we get a voter pamphlet mailed in to us weeks before the election. It has a list of all the ballot measures and elections with explanations and statements from supporters and opponents. You read and make your choices at your leisure, then drop it off or mail it in. We do the same up in Washington state. Another cool thing the voter pamphlet (a magazine sized booklet printed on newsprint) has for policy referendums is non-partisan budget analysis with projected costs/revenues over time. Do they do anything like that in UK elections?
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:We do the same up in Washington state. Another cool thing the voter pamphlet (a magazine sized booklet printed on newsprint) has for policy referendums is non-partisan budget analysis with projected costs/revenues over time. Yes, they apparently send out Ballots dipped in LSD.
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Jun 25, 2016 05:50
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they do another vote just because of how many people seem to be thinking either "I didn't think it would actually pass" or "I had no idea what would actually happen". Either way, everyone involved is gonna look really dumb.
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Jun 25, 2016 05:51
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lmao i legit had a dream where i was celebrating for the UK staying in the EU man i have lame dreams
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Jun 25, 2016 06:04
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Hollismason posted:Are you loving crazy? Historical context notwithstanding, I'd be okay with (at present) disqualifying voters who don't have a fifth grade education or equivalent qualification (for non-North Americans, you're 10 years old in grade five). That being said, there are too many trick questions in that literacy test because it's specifically designed to exclude people without a formal education. It's not meant as a test of intelligence or political knowledge, and does not function as such. I'm not arguing in favour of knowledge tests for voting, because it's too easily abused, but to say that any possible knowledge test would be flawed because this one is flawed is foolish. A relevant and mostly unbiased test could be devised, if that were the primary interest of the people writing the test, but we still shouldn't have it because it could be too easily abused in the future.
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Jun 25, 2016 06:05
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Internet Kraken posted:I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they do another vote just because of how many people seem to be thinking either "I didn't think it would actually pass" or "I had no idea what would actually happen". Either way, everyone involved is gonna look really dumb. I think this will happen too. Either a second referendum (apparently there is already a huge petition calling for this) or if an early election is called one of the parties will run on a platform of disregarding the referendum result. To be honest I think a some of the high profile 'leave' people like Boris Johnson wouldn't mind this, it gives them a way to back away from the impending chaos without losing face while still making their point that there are a lot of pissed off racists who want immigration reform. If nothing else this whole exercise might prompt the EU to consider some changes to immigration within the EU because the open borders thing is obviously a huge sore point for a lot of people.
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Jun 25, 2016 06:06
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PT6A posted:Historical context notwithstanding, I'd be okay with (at present) disqualifying voters who don't have a fifth grade education or equivalent qualification (for non-North Americans, you're 10 years old in grade five). That being said, there are too many trick questions in that literacy test because it's specifically designed to exclude people without a formal education. It's not meant as a test of intelligence or political knowledge, and does not function as such. i am super not comfortable with you deciding who is qualified to make decisions Imo you are not qualified to make decisions. fight me, bitch
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Jun 25, 2016 06:08
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Summary of leave lies/exaggerations: http://indy100.independent.co.uk/ar...ss--WyxD59VO3Nb
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Jun 25, 2016 06:10
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FilthyImp posted:NAFTA favors the U.S. though. So it's more like the Let Us Sell You Stuff agreement. Not according to many people in the US. (Hint: it favours the most well-qualified and privileged people in all the signatory countries) No poo poo, I want free money with no strings attached too! Get hosed you whiny, simian nitwits. You voted to gently caress yourselves, now live with the consequences*. * On the subject of literacy tests, should there be a greater effort to make sure (without necessarily disenfranchising people) that people understand what they're voting for in referenda like this?
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Jun 25, 2016 06:13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ourB80IQEes
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gay picnic defence posted:If nothing else this whole exercise might prompt the EU to consider some changes to immigration within the EU because the open borders thing is obviously a huge sore point for a lot of people. What in gently caress's name would be the point of the EU without freedom of movement? God knows that's the only reason I want an EU passport. I'd rather have more options of where to live and work and deal with more competition, rather than a half-guarantee of a lovely job in my own country.
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Jun 25, 2016 06:16
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Congrats Brits, you've made me feel relieved about being American. Now excuse me while I die on the street due to lack of healthcare
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Jun 25, 2016 06:16
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Hey what are the odds of another vote? Or of a re-negotiation of re-entry. Or of the queen stepping in and saying hey let's cut the bullshit we're not going to do this. Doesn't she technically have the ability to step in if things get really bad and throw down? Maybe we can get an independent Scotland or a unified Ireland?
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Jun 25, 2016 06:17
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Let's just Balkanize the isles. Scotland, Ireland, Wales. Maybe Cornwall can get some of that sweet EU money by declaring independence. Of course, most important is the Isle of Mann
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Jun 25, 2016 06:19
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PT6A posted:Historical context notwithstanding, I'd be okay with (at present) disqualifying voters who don't have a fifth grade education or equivalent qualification (for non-North Americans, you're 10 years old in grade five). PT6A Q1: Can parmesan cheese be called parmesan? (If yes you cannot vote.)
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Jun 25, 2016 06:20
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gay picnic defence posted:If nothing else this whole exercise might prompt the EU to consider some changes to immigration within the EU because the open borders thing is obviously a huge sore point for a lot of people.
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Jun 25, 2016 06:23
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PT6A posted:Historical context notwithstanding, I'd be okay with (at present) disqualifying voters who don't have a fifth grade education or equivalent qualification (for non-North Americans, you're 10 years old in grade five). That being said, there are too many trick questions in that literacy test because it's specifically designed to exclude people without a formal education. It's not meant as a test of intelligence or political knowledge, and does not function as such. NO
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Jun 25, 2016 06:24
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Avian Pneumonia posted:Hey what are the odds of another vote? Or of a re-negotiation of re-entry. Or of the queen stepping in and saying hey let's cut the bullshit we're not going to do this. Doesn't she technically have the ability to step in if things get really bad and throw down? Maybe we can get an independent Scotland or a unified Ireland? The queen isn't going to do poo poo, Farage isn't going to go back on the Brexit (that was the whole point of UKIP in the first place), and I don't see how Bozza can go back on it without looking like an even bigger tool than he already does. Scotland's definitely going to be pushing for another independence referendum, though.
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Jun 25, 2016 06:32
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Vegetable posted:You can't fix that. Best to focus on things that can be fixed. Sure you can, make better propaganda. Like seriously, the worst thing that can happen with remain is "well, things will stay about the same," while with leave it's an unknown disaster waiting to happen. It's almost hard to believe they managed to lose the messaging war.
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Jun 25, 2016 06:33
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Which part do you disagree with? Do you contend that a knowledge or literacy test would be a good idea for voter qualification? Do you feel that the example test is a good test of intelligence? Do you think that, in the modern context of compulsory public education, there is a good reason to permit people with less than a 5th-grade education (or equivalent) to vote? You can't legally not go to school if you're in 5th grade unless you've already failed five years in a row, in which case maybe it's best that you don't vote.
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PT6A posted:Which part do you disagree with? Do you contend that a knowledge or literacy test would be a good idea for voter qualification? Do you feel that the example test is a good test of intelligence? Do you think that, in the modern context of compulsory public education, there is a good reason to permit people with less than a 5th-grade education (or equivalent) to vote? NO
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Jun 25, 2016 06:36
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Sorry UK goons, we cant always keep our resident rodeo clown (PT6A) contained in the CanPol thread. Like a dog chasing its tail, he will eventually tire himself out and stop shitposting about the same thing over and over again in circular fashion. He loves Spain. Did he mention he was there and loved it and wishes he could work in the EU. But mostly Spain. Also he hates indigenous people, childrens hospitals, safe injection sites and leftists. And apparently people who vote.
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So what do you tell a disabled person or an immigrant that has been awarded citizenship that can barely read the language the ballot's in?
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