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Elotana posted:I kinda want to see the Texans take a 7th/UDFA flier on Connor Shaw too That would be so awesome if Shaw got a shot in the NFL. Prior to this season, he was preparing to join the military and go into coaching afterward, but scouts started actually coming around to ask about him so who knows. If the Texans start collecting Gamecocks, they might have to become my second team.
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RumbleFish posted:That would be so awesome if Shaw got a shot in the NFL. Prior to this season, he was preparing to join the military and go into coaching afterward, but scouts started actually coming around to ask about him so who knows. What if we grab Clowney and Shaw, but also Tajh Boyd? That'd be 3 Gamecocks to 3 Tigers, counting Ricky Sapp, Hopkins, and Swearinger. 
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Intruder posted:What is it with you and Boyd anyway? I-I thought his performance against LSU in the Peach Bowl was kinda impressive.  And I was rooting for LSU, too.
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bhsman posted:Maybe you should step away from the QB insanity-ledge, Mr. "I bought a Keenum avatar at the drop of a hat" Keenum owns. You're dead to me bhsman
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Grozz Nuy posted:This line of discussion creates a fun game! Those stats are in desperate need of context. Stafford was a rookie in 2009 and only played 10 games. He only played 3 in 2010. Using either of those years is unfair.
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bhsman posted:What if we grab Clowney and Shaw, but also Tajh Boyd? That'd be 3 Gamecocks to 3 Tigers, counting Ricky Sapp, Hopkins, and Swearinger. Boyd is my favorite Clemson quarterback ever, so sure.
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If anyone is interested in seeing Garoppolo play, he has a playoff game that you can get on ESPN3/WatchESPN at 2pm EST.
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I've watched Bridgewater all season since I go to UH and we play them. He's decent, but he's not 1st overall pick good. He barely beat a UH defense composed of freshmen and sophomores. That's not Andrew Luck levels of good.
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Daric posted:I've watched Bridgewater all season since I go to UH and we play them. He's decent, but he's not 1st overall pick good. He barely beat a UH defense composed of freshmen and sophomores. That's not Andrew Luck levels of good. The vast majority of first overall picks weren't Andrew Luck levels of good though. As long as he's good enough to be thought of as the best QB in this year's draft he's got a pretty solid shot of going first I'd think since there are a ton of QB needy teams up top. Unless everyone's wrong and this class isn't thought of as any better than last year's and no one goes in the first I guess. vv--Yeah Clowney is why I said good shot instead of almost a sure thing to go first, anyone can fall in love with that guy. Aside from maybe Jacksonville. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Dec 6, 2013 |
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Grittybeard posted:The vast majority of first overall picks weren't Andrew Luck levels of good though. As long as he's good enough to be thought of as the best QB in this year's draft he's got a pretty solid shot of going first I'd think since there are a ton of QB needy teams up top. Unless everyone's wrong and this class isn't thought of as any better than last year's and no one goes in the first I guess. It's not so much that Bridgewater isn't as good as Luck, it's that Clowney is also available.
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bhsman posted:It's not so much that Bridgewater isn't as good as Luck, it's that Clowney is also available. It is though, because Manziel has a better QB rating than Bridgewater despite funslinging against the SEC while Bridgewater I don't even think has played a ranked opponent. And it's not because he's carrying the team. He has less attempts than most other top QB's. I don't know why anyone would take him over Clowney based on what we've seen at this point, unless he had a loving cannon for an arm.
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Volkerball posted:It is though, because Manziel has a better QB rating than Bridgewater despite funslinging against the SEC while Bridgewater I don't even think has played a ranked opponent. He played against Blake Bortles/UCF (and lost).
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Daric posted:I've watched Bridgewater all season since I go to UH and we play them. He's decent, but he's not 1st overall pick good. He barely beat a UH defense composed of freshmen and sophomores. That's not Andrew Luck levels of good. Nobody every compared him to Luck that I'm aware of. Luck was touted as the next elite of the elite QBs, the new Manning, a generational talent. Bridgewater has always been classified in that next tier down, with the RG3s of the world.
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JesustheDarkLord posted:In pretty good LT news, Tiny Richardson is false-starting into the draft. The Kwame Harris rule. There always must be one in the NFL at any given time.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Those stats are in desperate need of context. Stafford was a rookie in 2009 and only played 10 games. He only played 3 in 2010. Using either of those years is unfair. Also, Volkerball, qb rating is not important when scouting quarterbacks. Geno Smith had the 5th best QB rating in the country. Greg McElroy had the 4th best. Tim Tebow had the #1 QB rating. It doesn't matter. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Dec 6, 2013 |
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RumbleFish posted:He played against Blake Bortles/UCF (and lost). In fairness, that was by a touchdown or less and both teams scored 30+ points.
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JesustheDarkLord posted:In pretty good LT news, Tiny Richardson is false-starting into the draft. 
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Quest For Glory II posted:Also Stafford has posted YPAs of 7.6 and 7.7 in seasons where he averaged more than 40 attempts per game, which are both very very good for such a high volume of passing. If you look at the YPAs of the top 10 QBs in attempts, the rest are not so fortunate. It's Peyton, Stafford, Brees, and then a huge drop. I think it does when you're comparing top prospects to top prospects. Tebow and McElroy obviously weren't. Like any other stat, you have to take into context what you can actually learn from it though. It's just a rough way of comparing one QB's completion percentage, interceptions, and TD's to another one. If Bridgewater's completion percentage was notably higher than the rest of the competition, he'd have a higher rating, but he hasn't stepped away from the pack in that regard despite playing weaker competition. And Geno isn't a fair comparison for anyone because he wasn't consistent throughout his last year. He was terrible mixed with a better than RGIII streak of several games. Still ended with a higher completion percentage than Bridgewater is sitting at right now though. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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bhsman posted:What if we grab Clowney and Shaw, but also Tajh Boyd? That'd be 3 Gamecocks to 3 Tigers, counting Ricky Sapp, Hopkins, and Swearinger. You already got 2 Gamecocks: Swearinger and J Joseph. Plus the owner is an alum. And you used to have Dunta Robinson and Fred Bennett (sorry about those two). So gently caress it, take Clowney and Shaw and just let me go all-in with Houston as my second team. Seriously, though, don't take Clowney. I so so badly want him with Atlanta. warheadr fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Azhais posted:Bridgewater has always been classified in that next tier down, with the RG3s of the world. He's definitely not on that level either, at least in my opinion. Right now I'd value him something like Bradford or Ryan.
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I just don't think you can look at the numbers and say "see? Bigger, ergo, better." The stats are really not important so much as studying the film and looking at the mechanics, at the ball placement, the touch on the ball, the ability to read different coverages. How's the footwork, do they slide away from pressure, are they throwing off balance, what are their tendencies and can they be corrected. And I hate to say it but there's a physical aspect to it too. Manziel is not durable. And he's not durable enough for a quarterback that is constantly trying to engineer bullshit on the field. I don't trust Manziel as a pocket passer in the NFL because his trigger finger to abort the play and improvise is too drat itchy, and every game I've seen him in he's taken too many hits and gotten banged up. The dude leaves clean pockets. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Quest For Glory II posted:I just don't think you can look at the numbers and say "see? Bigger, ergo, better." The stats are really not important so much as studying the film and looking at the mechanics, at the ball placement, the touch on the ball, the ability to read different coverages. How's the footwork, do they slide away from pressure, are they throwing off balance, what are their tendencies and can they be corrected. That stuff is all important, but based on statistics, Russell Wilson would have went in the 1st. His tools and measurables sent him back into the 3rd. Obviously that's not always the case and there's no completely accurate way to look at and determine how a rookie QB is going to play in the NFL, but production is something to take into account. Especially when it comes to guys in the lower tiers being compared to players in the big competitive conferences.
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Volkerball posted:That stuff is all important, but based on statistics, Russell Wilson would have went in the 1st. His tools and measurables sent him back into the 3rd. Obviously that's not always the case and there's no completely accurate way to look at and determine how a rookie QB is going to play in the NFL, but production is something to take into account. Especially when it comes to guys in the lower tiers being compared to players in the big competitive conferences. code:
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See? He would have gone 24th overall. Thank you, Gendo.
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Volkerball posted:That stuff is all important, but based on statistics, Russell Wilson would have went in the 1st. His tools and measurables sent him back into the 3rd. Obviously that's not always the case and there's no completely accurate way to look at and determine how a rookie QB is going to play in the NFL, but production is something to take into account. Especially when it comes to guys in the lower tiers being compared to players in the big competitive conferences. I don't think playing in the AAC will be a significant concern for scouts with Bridgewater. I think there's enough good tape and bad tape to look at to make a good determination on him, and the combine and private workouts will take care of the remaining concerns. Similarly there's a chance Carr is drafted before Manziel and his level of competition is at an even lower level. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Gendo posted:Career Leaders Passing Yards Career yards doesn't count because all the best QB's leave early, and scrubs like LeFevour put up monster stats over a career and go undrafted because you have to use the words "college football" really loosely when you talk about whatever they gently caress it is they play. I just said it's a tool anyways, not the end all be all. It's totally fair to look at Boyd and McCarron's statlines when comparing them as prospects, for example.
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Volkerball posted:Career yards doesn't count because all the best QB's leave early, and scrubs like LeFevour put up monster stats over a career and go undrafted because you have to use the words "college football" really loosely when you talk about whatever they gently caress it is they play. I just said it's a tool anyways, not the end all be all. It's totally fair to look at Boyd and McCarron's statlines when comparing them as prospects, for example. Production should be part of the equation, but determining how any individual QB will project tilts way more towards scouting than stats. There's just too much variation in college in terms of quality of opponents, offensive systems, personnel and so on to divine too much from a straight up stat comparison.
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Gendo posted:Individual seasons don't look too hot either. Actually I ctrl-F'd Alex Smith and he's not there. Checkmate. 
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Volkerball posted:LeFevour put up monster stats over a career and go undrafted The Bears drafted LeFevour in the sixth round. He was horrific and cut in camp.
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I've watched a handful of UCF games and I really like Bortles. Strong arm, good pocket awareness and mobility. When he does go on the move he keeps his eyes down the field and is always looking for the big play. I wouldn't mind if the Dolphins took him (Assuming he leaves) in any round but the first.
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Brannock posted:Why do they all have asterisks? I was going to guess active players but Kingsbury is pretty famously, or at least prettily, not playing anymore. e: Well I apparently skipped Timmy Chang and should have gotten nowhere near that far down the list
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Intruder posted:Keenum 3 times in the top 11 aw yeah Is it too early to start talking about future superstars John O'Korn and Deonte Greenberry?
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