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achillesforever6 posted:Is "I'm canceling my subscription after this subpar PPV" going to be the new "I'm never watching Raw again after this lovely Raw!" No, cause you can't cancel it, you're locked in for six months. You can choose not to renew it, though. Which I chose to do because it isn't just that this was a bad PPV, it's that this PPV was indicative of the quality of the product in recent months, and whether it's $50 a month or $10 a month, I don't feel that it's worth it anymore. I really don't understand the rhetoric that not wanting to pay for a product that disappoints you is somehow "extreme".
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RacistGuidingLight posted:The battle royal was good! It was a good battle royal! Yeah that match was a lot of fun, aside from the blatantly obvious Miz win made even more blatantly obvious when the cameraman showed him on the floor while panning to the belt. Also, Bo Dallas should have won.
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Suben posted:OTOH I think it was good so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. Agreeing to disagree is unacceptable in psp 2014, let's call each other fuckheads instead. (this is a joke) kidcoelacanth posted:I think the battle royal ending was fine in theory, because ordinarily that would've gotten huge heel heat for Miz, but, it's the Miz, so, it didn't. The ending was fine and in line with Miz's general Miz-ery but it just sucks having Miz as IC champ. He should clearly be WWE champ again.
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achillesforever6 posted:Is "I'm canceling my subscription after this subpar PPV" going to be the new "I'm never watching Raw again after this lovely Raw!"
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Suben posted:OTOH I think it was good so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. Counterpoint, the most likely people to take the titles off the Usos now are The Ascension. And lets be honest, The Ascension could not have as good quality matches with the Usos as apposed to the Wyatts. Or good matches in general. Actually big point of this PPV Rowan looked like a good wrestler tonight!
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Amy Renee posted:No, cause you can't cancel it, you're locked in for six months. You can choose not to renew it, though. Which I chose to do because it isn't just that this was a bad PPV, it's that this PPV was indicative of the quality of the product in recent months, and whether it's $50 a month or $10 a month, I don't feel that it's worth it anymore. I really don't understand the rhetoric that not wanting to pay for a product that disappoints you is somehow "extreme". nah you can delete your payment information or remove your credit card from paypal and they "suspend" your account
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Well people do overreact a lot. Like, a fuckload. I say this as someone who is all too familiar with overreacting. When 90% of your posts are pointing that out, maybe it's you who's doing it more than those you're yelling at
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SamuraiFoochs posted:No he hasn't, can we stop doing this. That's not how business, stocks, or money work. The cornerstones of the business (Live show attendance, TV ratings, and merch) are all stable. WWE is experiencing losses right now because of Network startup costs and disappointing subscription numbers, and the PPV stuff is transitioning to a new medium which could be really good or really bad long term but the WWE is not on life support. sorry foochs, my dad works for meltzer and he said that wwe is dying oh no but wwe has a solution to all their problems have jhon cena win all the matches cena vs THEDEMONKANETHEDEVILSFAVORITECHILDTHEDEMONKANE? cena wins! cameron vs naomi? cena wins! wyatts vs usos part eleventybillion? cena wins! (and then the usos win) bobby lashley vs eric young? cena wins! don't worry foochs the wwe will be ok with this new plan, but be sure to subscribe to the wwe network please subscribe to the wwe network i'm begging you to subscribe to the wwe network look... i'll suck your dick if you subscribe to the wwe network, just please subscribe to the wwe network
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kidcoelacanth posted:I think the battle royal ending was fine in theory, because ordinarily that would've gotten huge heel heat for Miz, but, it's the Miz, so, it didn't. the instant switch from ecstatic excitement over Ziggler's apparent victory to the complete silence of the Miz winning was the second best thing on this PPV (the best was Stardust).
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Yes, he has and yes they have. Nowhere did I say WWE is on "life support", I said they're having some serious losses and serious losses are worth concern after a poor monthly performance. Slow down the raging positivity patrol and read the words that are comin' outta my fingers, bro. Don't bother, some mongoloid posted a bunch about how stocks 'really work' and PSP are all now experts at finance & net worth.
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RacistGuidingLight posted:The battle royal was good! It was a good battle royal! cesaro got eliminated by heath slater confirming his push is long loving gone
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Suben posted:OTOH I think it was good so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. I do not fault you for your opinion, I just prefer other wrestlemans WWE: Middleground
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Amy Renee posted:No, cause you can't cancel it, you're locked in for six months. You can choose not to renew it, though. Which I chose to do because it isn't just that this was a bad PPV, it's that this PPV was indicative of the quality of the product in recent months, and whether it's $50 a month or $10 a month, I don't feel that it's worth it anymore. I really don't understand the rhetoric that not wanting to pay for a product that disappoints you is somehow "extreme". This is where I'm at. I have one PPV I'm left locked into, and if they don't improve poo poo in a major way by then well...you can add me to what will surely be a huge number of people not re-upping.
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flatluigi posted:cesaro got eliminated by heath slater confirming his push is long loving gone Or that Heath's is just starting.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Yes, he has and yes they have. Nowhere did I say WWE is on "life support", I said they're having some serious losses and serious losses are worth concern after a poor monthly performance. Slow down the raging positivity patrol and read the words that are comin' outta my fingers, bro. Okay, so I was a bit strong in restating your characterization but there's a difference between short term losses and long term losses. Neither are good, but one of them is comparatively not a huge deal in the long term so long as certain things (like live event attendance, merch, and ratings) remain stable, which they currently are. WWE is having a bad bad time right now and that was a really badly booked PPV but people are acting like we saw a Fingerpoke Of Doom moment on this show. We did not.
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Dimebags Brain posted:Remember guys, Bray Wyatt is the only guy who has beaten Daniel Bryan clean in like a year. He had real heat and people were into him as a heel. Then Cena happened and now he's losing clean to 2014 Jericho. He lost to the Codebreaker, too. That's barely even a finisher! At least Lionsault him, for gently caress's sake.
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armoredgorilla posted:I think I should be really mad that they bait and switched the Ambrose/Rollins match, but it just feels par for the course. They had Ambrose and Rollins slugging it out three times. It was good all three times. gently caress your need for a set parameter of two bells and a three count.
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Hey everybody, that ppv would have been sooooo much better if instead of all those brawls that the crowd was so into and that fight in the parking lot if instead Seth and Dean had had a mediocre 7 minute match ending with Rollins hitting Ambrose with the case and running away. That would have put them both over hardcore.
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pressedbunny posted:Yes, actually. I didn't expect a clean, decisive win and feud-ender going in, but I expected to see them wrestle, at least. There have been many other times when they've put on a token 5-10 minute match and then had guys DQd or counted out or whatever and that's okay. It's not ideal, but it's okay. Straight-up scrapping the match entirely is unacceptable. You never advertise something and then scrap it after people have paid their money. There is not one single area of business, not one single industry, where that is ever an acceptable practice. *card subject to change*
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RacistGuidingLight posted:They had Ambrose and Rollins slugging it out three times. It was good all three times. gently caress your need for a set parameter of two bells and a three count. Yes, them having a slug fest where they did nothing but punch for 5 minutes is the same thing as a match, and we shouldn't be complaining. You are almost as bad as Valeyard.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:No he hasn't, can we stop doing this. That's not how business, stocks, or money work. The cornerstones of the business (Live show attendance, TV ratings, and merch) are all stable. WWE is experiencing losses right now because of Network startup costs and disappointing subscription numbers, and the PPV stuff is transitioning to a new medium which could be really good or really bad long term but the WWE is not on life support. I may have exaggerated what I said about the WWE, but its really hard to lock payments for something that I'm not really entertained by what WWE is booking anymore. I really enjoyed the previous PPVs, especially the ones where the board really disliked. But looking at what WWE is bringing to the table for future, I'm not really wanting to pay 10 dollars a month for it. Seriously, I want WWE to succeed, but what they are booking isn't cutting it anymore. They should be pushing new stars, but they are too scared of taking that risk and understandably so. But I don't want to watch shows that continue while they are in "no-risk mode". It's boring to me. I'm not into what they are currently pitching to me.
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xNarUtoRKOrton420x posted:Counterpoint, the most likely people to take the titles off the Usos now are The Ascension. The Ascension get called up, squash the Usos and we get another year of Ascension squashes against jobbers and local guys only on the main roster this time.
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John Cena is worse than Nash and Hogan combined. Cena bad. Cena bad.
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i thought the ppv was okay, not great but apart from the paige/aj lee match nothing was offensively bad ambrose/rollins made the entire thing worth it the sky isn't falling also the funniest part of the event was a bunch of people in the GDT getting Highly Offended by layla jiggling that or Ambrose popping outta the trunk SamuraiFoochs posted:that was a really badly booked PPV but people are acting like we saw a Fingerpoke Of Doom moment on this show. We did not. agreeing with you is scary but this is 100% right
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RacistGuidingLight posted:They had Ambrose and Rollins slugging it out three times. It was good all three times. gently caress your need for a set parameter of two bells and a three count. Nah, with the exception of Dean popping out of the trunk to attempt murder, it was all poo poo I've seen on Raw for the last 3 weeks. I was expecting an actual match with actual moves.
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flatluigi posted:cesaro got eliminated by heath slater confirming his push is long loving gone He has now lost to Kofe twice and Slater once. If Xavier Woods beats him he might as well kill himself. I'm not joking either.
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Amy Renee posted:No, cause you can't cancel it, you're locked in for six months. If you don't have enough money in your account, the WWE will just cancel your subscription.
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Writer Cath posted:Or that Heath's is just starting. His theme still is "we're a three man band" so they haven't thought enough to even fix that. also I love cesaro  SamuraiFoochs posted:WWE is having a bad bad time right now and that was a really badly booked PPV but people are acting like we saw a Fingerpoke Of Doom moment on this show. We did not. If the main event ended in a fingerpoke of doom it'd almost redeem the entire ppv
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Yuriy posted:i thought the ppv was okay, not great but apart from the paige/aj lee match nothing was offensively bad The Paige/AJ thing was one of the only things that wasn't offensively bad, booking wise. The story might not make a lot of sense, but at least it had a decent finish.
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flatluigi posted:cesaro got eliminated by heath slater confirming his push is long loving gone That's okay! He's still having good matches every week.
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TheJoker138 posted:The Paige/AJ thing was one of the only things that wasn't offensively bad, booking wise. The story might not make a lot of sense, but at least it had a decent finish. they blew like every spot and aj sucks as a face in peril while paige sucks at being a heel it sucked
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flatluigi posted:His theme still is "we're a three man band" so they haven't thought enough to even fix that. also I love cesaro The Fingerpoke of Doom was unexpected. I would have loved to see a Fingerpoke of Doom or even a moment like that on this.
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Question, I like the Usos, if I watched one Young Bucks match would I hate the Usos/Superkicks?
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Pariah Rex posted:He has now lost to Kofe twice and Slater once. If Xavier Woods beats him he might as well kill himself. I'm not joking either. now now now, just wait and see what they're doing with cesaro. just wait and see. cesaro lost to zack ryder? now now now, just wait and see what they're doing with cesaro. just wait and see. cesaro lost to hornswaggle? now now now, just wait and see what they're doing with cesaro. just wait and see.
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They should have had Ambrose and Rollins both come out and then just brawl through the arena for 15 minutes with complete disregard for the outcome of the match. Would have accomplished the same thing and would have at least gotten the crowd into it a bit more. That was a bad PPV. I can't believe Jericho went over Wyatt clean.
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Yuriy posted:they blew like every spot and aj sucks as a face in peril while paige sucks at being a heel It was mediocre, at worst. Paige is a good heel, and if they had actually been practicing that match at house shows I'm sure it would have been better.
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xNarUtoRKOrton420x posted:Question, I like the Usos, if I watched one Young Bucks match would I hate the Usos/Superkicks? no you will gain a new found appreciation for superkicks and resent the usos for not doing it right
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Pistol Packin Poet posted:Seriously, I want WWE to succeed, but what they are booking isn't cutting it anymore. They should be pushing new stars, but they are too scared of taking that risk and understandably so. But I don't want to watch shows that continue while they are in "no-risk mode". It's boring to me. I'm not into what they are currently pitching to me. We've been saying this for a really long time. They cycle in flash-in-the-pan guys. In the past 5 years they've lost a ton of their old stars, most of them permanently. They spent a good bit of time on Punk and he walked on them. They start to build a guy and he gets inevitably injured. Every time we start to see a change or a shift, it all goes to poo poo on them in the long term. I can't really blame them for wanting to cling to Cena even if it's a poor idea.
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