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Ilanin posted:So I have a problem with this. All 100 or event cards related to events that actually happened historically, but only some fraction of these events will happen in this reality. The North Atlantic treaty might never happen. This leads to a rather sparse history and will certainly make some events rather difficult to explain, since there are few prerequisites.    I must say the first occurance of NATO was particularly successful.
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I think that's the appeal of LP'ing it though, especially with "independant" journalist/reporters who can then take the events in the game, a-historical or not, and try to integrate them into a world different from our own. Just repeat to yourself it's just a
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You can always go with the idea that events that aren't played still happen, they just aren't successful or influential or whatever in this universe.
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Tendales posted:You can always go with the idea that events that aren't played still happen, they just aren't successful or influential or whatever in this universe. To some extent you could even argue that some of the events did that in our timeline. I mean, the undeniably socialist Attlee government in Britain was also staunchly anti-Communist, in part because the Foreign Secretary was a trade unionist who had spent much of his life fighting off Communist attempts to influence the TUC. I'm working on Suez in 1948. Kind of have an idea based on how the creation of Israel might have lead to it....
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Ilanin posted:I'm working on Suez in 1948. Kind of have an idea based on how the creation of Israel might have lead to it.... With only a small amount of alternate history going on...sadly this hinges on the Egyptians doing something really stupid, but that does sometimes happen in geopolitics. The sudden death of Josef Stalin to a stroke in 1948 plunged the Soviet Union into several years of political turmoil, and the eventual ascendancy of the faction headed by then-Secretary Rumda took several years to become unquestioned. Rumda's rise to power was based primarily on his ability to play on the mutual antagonism and rivalry between Georgy Zhukov and Lavrenti Beria to his own benefit, and not a little good fortune. The support, in this era, of Minister of Foreign Affairs Vesely Maroder proved invaluable, as his ability (and subsequent willingness to credit Rumda with his actions) to make the best out of the chaos caused by the infighting in the Soviet security apparatus lent the future Soviet Premier an air of omniscience. Nowhere was this more apparent than in the crisis created by Israel's declaration of independence. When David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the State of Israel on May 14th 1948, he did so with the strong support of the French and at least the approval of the Truman administration (albeit in an election year and with the position of his challenger, Governor Taran*, much less certain). The Soviet Union's various factions found themselves split on their reaction to events. The Defense Ministry believed that Israel could be established as a reliable ally, able to provide the Soviets access to the Mediterranean and well-positioned for intelligence gathering, and accordingly were able to help the Haganah acquire weaponry through Czechoslovakia. The intelligence services, conversely, distrusted David Ben-Gurion as politically suspect and additionally contained a section of strong anti-Semitic sentiment, and consequently wished to join with the Arab states in frustrating the Zionists' ambitions. While Beria was unable to stop arms shipments to Haganah, he was able to discover the particulars of the shipments, and proposed to inform the Egyptian and British governments of the shipments in the hope that one of the other would see fit to interdict them. The British, determined to withdraw from Palestine entirely, took no interest in the matter, but Egypt predictably reacted strongly, threatening to sink the suspected arms transports if they did not turn back. Seeing a chance to further his own middle-eastern policy, Maroder cabled the embassy in Cairo with just-discovered intelligence on French weapons shipments - surplus weapons from French Indo-China were to be shipped to Israel via the Suez Canal. Feeling pressured by Israeli successes on the battlefield, the Egyptians took the bait, and on the 14th October announced that no French-flagged vessel would be permitted to enter Egyptian waters on approach to the Suez Canal until France gave a commitment to cease supplying the nascent IDF with weapons. The Egyptians had counted upon France being unwilling to intervene forcefully in an area still considered a British sphere of influence - and on Britain's financial troubles and hostility to the Jewish cause keeping the British from intervening themselves. However, Ernest Bevin was convinced that Britain could not allow the Egyptians to set a precedent that would allow them to establish control of the canal, and so it was that on November 2nd French marines paratroopers, supported by British aircraft and troops from the powerful Suez garrison, seized control of Port Said and established a buffer zone along the full length of the canal, while French warships moved to blockade the Egyptian Navy. For once, all factions in the Politburo were united - this naked display of colonial aggression by the French and British could not be allowed to stand. The Soviets angrily denounced the Franco-British actions. threatening both to supply Egyptian and Arab militias with modern Soviet equipment and embargoes against the Western-controlled sectors of Berlin - consciously not excluding the Americans, who Maroder accused of "standing by and cheering on their lapdogs as they feast on the Egyptian worker. Ever the political opportunist and with a general election mere days away, Governor Taran blasted Truman for his lack of leadership - not for supporting or opposing shipments to the Israelis, but for allowing France and Britain to blunder themselves into a crisis while Truman was "too busy worrying about being re-elected to do his job". Privately, Truman had already been fuming at Britain and France's acting without even providing America with advance notice, and Taran's attack was the final straw. Resorting to the most easily available lever, Truman brusquely informed the British government that no further financial assistance would be provided until it withdrew all its forces to the Suez garrison, and ceased providing support for French actions. Chancellor Stafford Cripps informs Clement Attlee that American support is essential for the continued running of the economy, and that the only alternative to withdrawal is defaulting on Britain's debt. Although Bevin resigns in protest, Cripps carries the day and British forces withdraw; the French, left isolated, attempt to hold out but eventually remove their troops in return for a renewed guarantee of safe passage for all vessels through the canal. French and Czech arms shipments continued to arrive in Israel, contributing greatly to the Jewish state's victory in the 1948 war In Moscow, Rumda and Maroder share a glass of vodka and reflect upon what a little misinformation in the right place can do, while basking in a newfound respect from the security services, now armed with a reputation for shrewdness as well as the support of the Moscow arm of the Party... *You're officially a Republican now Taran_Wanderer.  . On the other hand unlike Dewey at least you actually did beat Truman.
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Though the US focused much of its rebuilding efforts on its former enemies in Europe, that did not mean the rest of the continent did not receive any American aid. Knowing that a strong, united western Europe was the only thing that could stand against the USSR's meddling in the east, President Taran's allies in Congress passed the Economic Cooperation Act, a massive aid package to be distributed all over the continent. Though the aid package was announced as a simple gesture of goodwill, the ambassadors and diplomats that worked out the aid distribution with European leaders were keen to point out that this was an American initiative, and (though this was never stated directly) that the Soviets had all but abandoned their former allies after the war. If the USSR ever grew to become a menace to Europe, as many in the US believed it eventually would, President Taran knew that this aid would not be forgotten when it came time to choose a side. The US plays Marshall Plan for the Event!  The US gains 1 Influence in the United Kingdom! The US gains 1 Influence in Canada! The US gains 1 Influence in Spain/Portugal! The US gains 1 Influence in Italy! The US gains 1 Influence in West Germany! The US gains 1 Influence in Greece! The US gains 1 Influence in Turkey! The NATO Event can now be played! As a starred Event, Marshall Plan is removed from the game. Game Status  Current Phase: Turn 1, USSR Action Round 2 Victory Points: 0 DEFCON Level: 4 US cards in hand: 6 USSR cards in hand: 6 + The China Card (face up) Cards remaining in draw deck: 22 Cards in discard pile: NATO, Red Scare/Purge Cards out of play: Marshall Plan, Suez Crisis Ongoing Effects Red Scare/Purge: All USSR cards have their Operations Value lowered by 1 for the remainder of the Turn, to a minimum of 1. Marshall Plan: The NATO Event can now be played.  It is now the USSR's Action Round. Rumda, please email me the USSR's card for the round, as well as how you would like the card to be played and (if the card contains a US Event) if you would like the Event to occur before or after your action. This decision is due by 7PM Pacific time on Wednesday, May 14th.
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The Cultural Ministry of the Soviet Union sends its great condolences to the workers of France, cruelly sacrificed on the altar of American realpolitik. After all, clearly the Queen's lapdogs in Canada and the Fascists in Spain suffered more during the last war, and were clearly more deserving of American rebuilding assistance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVMUtSdLH3Y Also the Belgians! And the Dutch! And the Luxembourgians! Comradely sympathies to you all! sniper4625 fucked around with this message at 04:14 on May 14, 2014 |
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May 14, 2014 03:15
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I weep for Europe's exploitation and the hands of the capitalist scum.
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Our European and Canadian friends realize the value of democracy, and they'll enjoy fine products of capitalism at affordable prices. The reds still wait for the results of a 5 year plan made 20 years ago.
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paragon1 posted:I weep for Europe's exploitation and the hands of the capitalist scum. But we use moisturiser! We have stores that sell it!
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The Soviet Union is prepared to offer aid to those in Europe for those who did not fall under the barbaric notion of "strategic aid" that the United States has implemented. Unlike the capitalist nations and their "realpolitik," the Soviet Union is concerned for the welfare of all workers worldwide!
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Following the takeover of Iran, the USSR set about consolidating its influence in the Middle East. Its first target was the nation of Syria, a country with whom the Soviets already shared warm relations. Having been humiliated in Israel's war of independence, the Syrians nonetheless were still quite hostile towards the Jewish state to their south, and there were rumors swirling that the Arab countries surrounding Israel were merely licking their wounds in preparation for the next attack. To that end, the Syrians were, to put it bluntly, in the market for arms. Aid from the West was unthinkable after the Suez Crisis, so the Syrians turned to their Soviet allies, and the USSR was only too happy to provide. It was around this time, however, that the USSR became aware of the effect the US's Marshall Plan was having on the people of Europe. Some citizens of eastern Europe, hearing of the prosperity the US's aid had brought to the west, had started migrating in that direction in hopes of a better life. On top of that, a few prominent artists and academics had defected directly to the US, claiming that the Soviets suppressed their freedom of speech and made it impossible to operate in their country. It was hardly the end of the world for the USSR, but it was nonetheless an embarrassment on the world stage.  The USSR plays Defectors for Operations!  The USSR chooses to place Influence! The USSR gains 1 Influence in Syria and gains control! The US Event takes effect! The US gains 1 VP! Game Status  Current Phase: Turn 1, US Action Round 2 Victory Points: US 1 DEFCON Level: 4 US cards in hand: 6 USSR cards in hand: 5 + The China Card (face up) Cards remaining in draw deck: 22 Cards in discard pile: Defectors, NATO, Red Scare/Purge Cards out of play: Marshall Plan, Suez Crisis Ongoing Effects Red Scare/Purge: All USSR cards have their Operations Value lowered by 1 for the remainder of the Turn, to a minimum of 1. Marshall Plan: The NATO Event can now be played.  It is now the US's Action Round. Taran_Wanderer, please email me the US's card for the round, as well as how you would like the card to be played and (if the card contains a USSR Event) if you would like the Event to occur before or after your action. This decision is due by 7PM Pacific time on Thursday, May 15th.
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The U.S.S.R. is dismayed that our creative comrades feel their work was unwelcome in the People's Republic. We hope they'll realize that this has all been a simple misunderstanding and return soon. We hope they aren't exploited too badly by the oppressors while abroad (they totally will be though).
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May 15, 2014 03:23
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How ironic--the Godless communists bleat about imperialism, and then try to turn the homelands of Islam into their own backyard. I bid our brave Mohammedan cousins good luck, and sincerely wish they are able to resist becoming client states of the new Russian empire.
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Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 07:59 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 06:07
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Berlin Airlift has begun Just sayin', that's another event that's on a card that hasn't been played yet. 
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Just sayin', that's another event that's on a card that hasn't been played yet. I haven't seen a card for it though, or do you mean the generic "Blockade" one? VVV: Yeah, I just figured that since there wasn't an actual card for it (Which is odd) it was fair game.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Just sayin', that's another event that's on a card that hasn't been played yet.
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The reds will pay for their mistreatment of the Syrian people!  Why, just recently, I talked to a couple of Syberian refugees and they say Russia sucks. America will protect the Serbian people. Stop trying to interrupt me while I'm holding a speech.  I swear to you, Russian occupation of Cimmeria will not go unpunished! WHAT DO YOU MEAN they're not the same country? It all sounds the same to me, USA! USA! USA!
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The Cultural Ministry of the USSR is pleased to present a new line of stamps dedicated to the newly solidified bonds between the Soviet and Syrian peoples! Please ignore the printer's error that replaced 1948 with 1987 - the printers have already been sent to re-education facilities
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Yes, I mean Blockade - given that it's an early war USSR card that affects West Germany unless the US spends effort to overcome it, it's a pretty clear reference to the 1948 Berlin blockade/airlift.
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sniper4625 posted:The Cultural Ministry of the USSR is pleased to present a new line of stamps dedicated to the newly solidified bonds between the Soviet and Syrian peoples! EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! SOVIET UNION MAKES FAULTY STAMPS, BLAMES THE PRINTING PRESS!
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paragon1 posted:The U.S.S.R. is dismayed that our creative comrades feel their work was unwelcome in the People's Republic. We hope they'll realize that this has all been a simple misunderstanding and return soon. We hope they aren't exploited too badly by the oppressors while abroad (they totally will be though). If they don't come to their senses we still have contacts in mexico
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Rumda posted:If they don't come to their senses we still have contacts in mexico The bloody purges which secured General Secretary Rumda's ascendancy in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (and which are widely credited with sparking the first major wave of defections in the following months) too had their origins in Soviet middle eastern policy. Following Israel's successful war of independence, the Defense Ministry proposed to build influence with Israel's left-wing government, building on what friendship their arms sales through Czechoslovakia had won. However, Minister Strelok, respected as an authority in Marxism-Leninism, carried the Politburo with the argument that it was the socialist duty of the Soviet Union to aid the oppressed workers of backward imperialist states such as Iran; as lamentable as the temporary failure of their Israeli brethren to achieve true socialism was, there was no doubt that others in the Middle East were in greater need of fraternal assistance. The wild success of the Soviet intervention in Iran seemed to vindicate the strategy, and seizing the opportunity to bolster the strength of the Party (his power base) against that of the military, Rumda (with the support of Beria, seeing the chance to weaken his old rivals) embarked upon a program of "Re-Socalisiation" of the Defense Ministry, "to bring the army back to the people." The nominal purpose of this program was to realign the Defense Ministry's strategic vision with Marxism-Leninism, rather than the "narrow self-interests of the generals". In practice, the result was a purge of the old order and replacement with Party men loyal to Rumda. As both a survivor and a director of the Great Purge, Beria should have known better. Having started the purges, he soon found they were beyond his control, and with the military now securely under the control of the Party Rumda had no difficulty in widening the purge to removing the MGB of "undesirable elements attempting to further their own personal advancement in the name of national security" - first amongst them, Beria himself, arrested by members of the Taman Guards Motor-Rifle division, convicted of attempting to organise a coup and executed on New Years' Day, 1949.
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But while the Soviets were building up their influence in Syria overtly, the US was not idle in the country. Unbeknownst to the Soviets, the Americans had managed to penetrate the Syrian army, searching for those who blamed the parliamentary government for the failure in the war against Israel--and high-ranking officers who felt that way were not difficult to find. The Americans offered the rebellious colonels a deal: overthrow the Soviet-allied parliament, and the US would supply them with much higher-quality arms and ordnance than the USSR could provide. The Americans, of course, were prepared to offer even greater support to Israel should they request it, but this significant fact went unspoken, and the seeds of the coup were planted. In the end, the Syrian government fell as bloodlessly as the Iranian Shah. Claiming that the Syrian president was not capable or willing enough to fight the Jews to their south, the colonels exiled him from the country with little outcry from the citizenry and established a military dictatorship. And though the Syrians’ distrust of the West kept the US at arm’s length, once the weapons started rolling in, the two countries certainly could no longer be considered enemies.  The US plays NORAD for Operations!  The US attempts a Coup in Syria and rolls a 4! The USSR loses 2 Influence in Syria, turning it neutral! The US gains 1 Influence in Syria! The US gains 3 Military Operations! Game Status  Current Phase: Turn 1, USSR Action Round 3 Victory Points: US 1 DEFCON Level: 4 US cards in hand: 5 USSR cards in hand: 5 + The China Card (face up) Cards remaining in draw deck: 22 Cards in discard pile: Defectors, NATO, NORAD, Red Scare/Purge Cards out of play: Marshall Plan, Suez Crisis Ongoing Effects Red Scare/Purge: All USSR cards have their Operations Value lowered by 1 for the remainder of the Turn, to a minimum of 1. Marshall Plan: The NATO Event can now be played. It is now the USSR's Action Round. Rumda, please email me the USSR's card for the round, as well as how you would like the card to be played and (if the card contains a US Event) if you would like the Event to occur before or after your action. This decision is due by 7PM Pacific time on Friday, May 16th.
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The Cultural Ministry of the USSR condemns this latest aggression on the behalf of the West. No matter how many times they try to sink their tendrils into the sands of the Middle East, the workers and peasants shall always rise up to throw them back!
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May 16, 2014 03:14
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Just another example of the naked imperialism of the west. The people rise up against the corrupt Shah of Iran and the US criticizes it. But a military junta emerges in Syria and the US is strangely silent about so-called "freedom."
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sniper4625 posted:The Cultural Ministry of the USER Greetings, Program! The Soviets appear to have formed some sort of cult of the machine!
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Zikan posted:Just another example of the naked imperialism of the west. The people rise up against the corrupt Shah of Iran and the US criticizes it. But a military junta emerges in Syria and the US is strangely silent about so-called "freedom." Look at these children.  Look at the joys the freedoms of the West brings them. 
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Typical Amerikanskis only following where more enlightened peoples lead.
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Up until now, most of the conflict between the US and USSR had been fought in Europe and the Middle East, both much closer geographically to the latter superpower than the former. It was Comrade Marauder who first floated the idea of trying to hit the Americans in their own backyard. Most countries in Central and South America were not interested in getting tied up in the superpower struggle, especially considering that the US was a major trade partner for most of them, but there was one nation where American influence was grating: Panama. Of course, the Soviets could never hope to control the Panama Canal itself, since by law it was American territory and any attempt to take it would be considered an act of war. But they could attempt to control the Panamanian government, and push the country’s leaders into “renegotiating” the treaty that had created the Canal Zone. The effort was expected to be a long-term project, since the USSR had little influence in the region at the time the plan was devised. But just as it had in Iran, fortune smiled upon the forces of communism. The Soviets managed to get in contact with a general in the Panamanian military who despised the American presence in his country and considered the president--who had won election by the slimmest of margins--a puppet of the US. And he was more than happy to help eliminate him. The coup, however, was not a clean one. Instead of “convincing” the Panamanian president to step down, as had occurred in Iran and Syria, the general had one of his loyal subordinates shoot the president while he was participating in a parade. The assassination plunged the country into chaos, as supporters of the president clashed bitterly with the opposition, whom they claimed had planned the killing in response to their candidate’s narrow loss. The opposition, meanwhile, fought back just as violently, claiming that the election had been a fraud and their candidate should have won in the first place. Panama seemed to be on the brink of civil war… until the general stepped in. Taking power for himself, the general proclaimed that he and the military would temporarily run the country until fresh elections could be held. And the public, if they did not accept him, at least tolerated the general as a neutral, temporary leader, not knowing that he was now working directly with the USSR. The American reaction to the events in Panama was righteous fury, accusing the Soviets of having planned the president’s assassination and installing a puppet dictator. It was all true of course, but General Secretary Rumda pled ignorance, asking in response how the USSR could have possibly engineered such a thing with an American military presence in the country. His comments only served to further incense President Taran, and though the US still controlled the Canal Zone, time would tell if the Soviet influence in the country would eventually consume it as well.  The USSR plays Romanian Abdication for Operations!  The USSR attempts a Coup in Panama and rolls a 6! The US loses 1 Influence in Panama! The USSR gains 2 Influence in Panama and gains control! DEFCON degrades to level 3! The USSR gains 1 Military Operation! Game Status  Current Phase: Turn 1, US Action Round 3 Victory Points: US 1 DEFCON Level: 3 US cards in hand: 5 USSR cards in hand: 4 + The China Card (face up) Cards remaining in draw deck: 22 Cards in discard pile: Defectors, NATO, NORAD, Red Scare/Purge, Romanian Abdication Cards out of play: Marshall Plan, Suez Crisis Ongoing Effects Red Scare/Purge: All USSR cards have their Operations Value lowered by 1 for the remainder of the Turn, to a minimum of 1. Marshall Plan: The NATO Event can now be played. It is now the US's Action Round. Taran_Wanderer, please email me the US's card for the round, as well as how you would like the card to be played and (if the card contains a USSR Event) if you would like the Event to occur before or after your action. This decision is due by 7PM Pacific time on Saturday, May 17th. TheOneAndOnlyT fucked around with this message at 02:42 on May 17, 2014 |
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The Cultural Ministry of the USSR would like to applaud the decisive action taken by El Generalissimo to maintain stability in the fair nation of Panama. It is hoped that his regional kinsman will look to him as an example of leadership outside the domination of Washington. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se_40hScjNg
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Concerned about the citizens migrating to western Europe due to the benefits of the Marshall Plan, the Soviets set about creating similar economic aid for the east. Their efforts resulted in the creation of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, or COMECON. Originally comprising Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and the USSR itself, the initiative sought to bolster the economies of the smaller eastern European countries, gently push them towards a more socialist method of economic planning, and most importantly, to discourage them from requesting aid from the US. Of course, it also resulted in most of eastern Europe falling further under the USSR's sway, but no one, not even the US, could criticize the Soviets for providing economic aid to their neighbors. The US plays COMECON for Operations!  The USSR Event takes effect! The US has elected to allow the COMECON Event to take place before their Operations. Rumda, please email me where the USSR would like to place the Influence that COMECON grants. This decision is due by 7PM Pacific time on Sunday, May 18th.
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COMECON? More like commie-con. The Soviet economic system might as well be a pyramid scheme; if they can't suck in fresh victims, they'll fall apart.
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What is a pyramid scheme? Must be something only known to capitalists who wish to exploit the proletariat. We have no such things in the Soviet Union.
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Huh, I always thought Coups required access like Realignments and adding influence. I didn't realize the USSR could just coup Panama whenever.
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UberJew posted:Huh, I always thought Coups required access like Realignments and adding influence. I didn't realize the USSR could just coup Panama whenever.
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I'm guessing those purges are hurting the Politburo hard because that was a very... interesting play on turn 1. This is very fun to spectate and try to guess what's going on since I usually have the benefit of knowing 8+ cards in play.
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