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Aniki posted:They can certainly scheme to adapt to his strengths. My concern would be that all of this scrambling is likely to lead to him taking a lot of hits. He's already had some injury scares this season and if he gets hurt like RGIII did, then you worry if he can still be an effective player if that element of his game is taken away. I think that is where him being short by QB standards is a concern. Right now he now counters that by scrambling outside of the pocket and looking down field, but if he's forced to stay in the pocket, then will he be able to find passing lanes and can he make plays when the defense doesn't break down? It's hard to say, Manziel is someone I've been kind of choosing not to think about. I need to start looking into him more and seeing if my concerns are justified. I haven't really honed in on a QB that I think would be the best fit for the Vikings yet, but it's hard at this stage of the draft process, especially when we don't know who will be coaching the team next season. Now imagine if Russell Wilson was coming out this year, and you were writing this about him. Not to counter it, but just for perspective's sake.
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warheadr posted:BFeldmanCBS: Ex nfl scout RT @JohnMiddlekauff: Multiple sources tell me Teddy Bridgewater has contemplated returning to school. No decision been made Well this would make the #1 pick academic I suppose I'm kind of imagining the Texans picking a Carr #1 overall for the second time though 
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Hopefully you won't have to completely rework Carr 2.0's mechanics as soon as he gets into camp.
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One of the fun things about David Carr was his dad coaching him to ignore what the Texans coaches were saying and listen to him instead I'd sure love to have that poo poo again! e: Maybe we should draft Carr and it could be Manning 2.0, with the older brother winning a Superbowl ring and the younger winning a pair! 
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bhsman posted:Now imagine if Russell Wilson was coming out this year, and you were writing this about him. Not to counter it, but just for perspective's sake. It's good to have the ability to scramble and throw on the run, but you just worry whether some guys can be effective without it. You hope they stay healthy and it's a non-issue, but it is something you need to consider when evaluating QBs. I certainly remember Culpepper going from putting up huge numbers to be nothing after he got hurt. Yeah, there other factors and I think most people attributed his success to his receivers, but you worry about investing heavily in a young QB who has a skillset that could be taken away in a second. Maybe better rehab techniques that developed between Culpepper dicking around in a Healthsouth parking lot and now make this less of a risk, but it's still a factor.
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If we're making comparisons just on height, why not compare Manziel to Drew Brees? In the right light his acne could almost look like a facial scar, too.
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Dec 13, 2013 20:11
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Sometimes it feels like the main knock on JFF is "it's bad for a QB to get hurt and he might get hurt (because he's a tiny babby man)" and I can't figure out what games they've been watching, because the Aggies aren't playing Purdue every week.
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Wanvig posted:If we're making comparisons just on height, why not compare Manziel to Drew Brees? In the right light his acne could almost look like a facial scar, too. Does Manziel have a horrible mother too?
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Arschlochkind posted:Sometimes it feels like the main knock on JFF is "it's bad for a QB to get hurt and he might get hurt (because he's a tiny babby man)" and I can't figure out what games they've been watching, because the Aggies aren't playing Purdue every week. He's been injured a lot more this season than he was last year though which gives a little bit of credence to that notion. I don't believe Manziel is a #1 overall guy (unless he absolutely blows up the combine and gains like 20 pounds and about 3 inches of height), but he looks like a decent passer playing in a defense heavy conference. Bridgewater not coming out this year seems like a bad move, especially if he's up against Jameis Winston in next years draft. There's no way he'd go over that guy.
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Aniki posted:Does Manziel have a horrible mother too? This made me look up Drew Brees' mom and well.. Deadspin posted:New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees has asked his mother to stop using his picture in TV commercials touting her candidacy for a Texas appeals court. In commercials running on Austin stations, Mina Brees had been using a picture of her son in the uniform of his former team, the San Diego Chargers, to emphasize her ties to football. Mina Brees posted:I'd rather air commercials that use Philip Rivers anyway Woah, man.
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Whoa, she also killed herself with a drug overdose
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Wait wait...whooooaaaa....that is a huge burn on Drew.
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I think the comment was before his extreme success in New Orleans. Also it came from his mother.
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b0ng posted:he looks like a decent passer [with good mobility] playing in a defense heavy conference Fixed a little, but that's basically how I see it. I like needling people about Manziel because I like him and I don't get why people are ready to jump off a cliff at the idea that they might draft him. Embrace Johnny Football.
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On the other side of the coin, you have people saying "You know who else was mobile and undersized? Russell Wilson  " as if they're the same player
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Intruder posted:On the other side of the coin, you have people saying "You know who else was mobile and undersized? Russell Wilson The way Wilson plays now and the way Manziel plays now are actually similar
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The SEC didn't appear to be particularly defense-heavy this year to me. There were a few decent ones but man there were a lot of just terrible D's there.
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Declan MacManus posted:The way Wilson plays now and the way Manziel plays now are actually similar Wilson has about 5 times the brain power though.
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Grittybeard posted:The SEC didn't appear to be particularly defense-heavy this year to me. There were a few decent ones but man there were a lot of just terrible D's there. Of the games A&M lost though all of them were top 6 for SEC defense (and the other two they just didn't play) : code:
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Gendo posted:Wilson has about 5 times the brain power though. I agree, but it's not like the Manziel-Wilson comparisons are completely off-base.
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b0ng posted:People have been saying that poo poo about AJ for years and are still waiting for it to happen. Yes if you keep predicting it to happen every year you will eventually be right, but AJ was supposed to fall off after 2011 because he was injured and that poo poo sure didn't happen. Yeah, but to be fair, no one expected to see a drop off from TO, Steve Smith, or Ocho Cinco when they occured though. The older he gets the liklihood of that happening increases. While you can't predict it, you can be sure of it and keeping AJ 80 as part of your long term plans as a franchise isn't a wise option from a cold stand point. Also Wade Philips scheme might not exist in houston next year. Clowney and Watt is immediately the best duo in the NFL, or at the every least a close top two or three should they go that route. I don't think "not fitting the scheme" really comes into it. It's kind of like refusing a lamborghini because you don't like the paint job.
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BlindSite posted:It's kind of like refusing a lamborghini because you don't like the paint job. To be fair, would you drive this? 
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Especially if all you need is an umbrella.
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BlindSite posted:Yeah, but to be fair, no one expected to see a drop off from TO, Steve Smith, or Ocho Cinco when they occured though. The older he gets the liklihood of that happening increases. While you can't predict it, you can be sure of it and keeping AJ 80 as part of your long term plans as a franchise isn't a wise option from a cold stand point. NO, ANDRE IS GOING TO OWN UNTIL HE'S 60 AND THEN HE'LL BE OUR WR COACH FOREVER. FOREVER.  On the real though he'll be here until he retires. If they pull some kind of "not part of our long term plans" with him once he starts to actually slow down and he ends up bouncing around the league and/or playing two years for the Jaguars before retiring or something the fans will burn down the team facility.
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Zypher posted:To be fair, would you drive this? Yes
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Arschlochkind posted:NO, ANDRE IS GOING TO OWN UNTIL HE'S 60 AND THEN HE'LL BE OUR WR COACH FOREVER. FOREVER. C'mon. It's harder to name an all-time great WR who did retire with his first team than one who didn't.
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Zypher posted:To be fair, would you drive this? gently caress yeah I would
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Benne posted:gently caress yeah I would Yeah that owns and is basically my dream car now.
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Zypher posted:To be fair, would you drive this? In a goddamn millisecond
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DeimosRising posted:C'mon. It's harder to name an all-time great WR who did retire with his first team than one who didn't. FOREVER.
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DeimosRising posted:C'mon. It's harder to name an all-time great WR who did retire with his first team than one who didn't. Jerry Rice in a Seahawks jersey is still the weirdest thing I have ever seen in football
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Benne posted:Jerry Rice in a Seahawks jersey is still the weirdest thing I have ever seen in football Not even the weirdest Jerry Rice jersey 
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Elotana posted:Because he's a risk, but his ceiling his higher than any other QB in the draft including Bridgewater. If we're taking Clowney then BQA in the 2nd I would rather that BQA be Manziel than Boyd/Mett/Fales or whoever For me it's that I just really don't know that much about Bridgewater except for one game I watched where he was middling quality. It seems like once the media declares you're a first round qb you'll stay there. He was called that at the beginning of the season and I don't wanna qb picked first just because of pre-season inertia.
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SteelAngel2000 posted:Not even the weirdest Jerry Rice jersey So gross
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Intruder posted:On the other side of the coin, you have people saying "You know who else was mobile and undersized? Russell Wilson Yeah it's kind of like every small receiver getting compared to Moss and Smith and every small running back getting compared to Sproles. There's a reason these guys aren't the norm at the position.
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SteelAngel2000 posted:Not even the weirdest Jerry Rice jersey Possibly the weirdest thing here is that Jerry Rice has a farmer's tan? PrinceRandom posted:For me it's that I just really don't know that much about Bridgewater except for one game I watched where he was middling quality. It's not that rare. Clausen dropped out of the first, just off the top of my head. I think it's less an issue of inertia and more one of the constant shortage of QBs. There are so few, it's hard for their value to drop a lot unless they lose an arm or something. BlindSite posted:Yeah it's kind of like every small receiver getting compared to Moss and Smith and every small running back getting compared to Sproles. Why would a small receiver be compared to Randy Moss? edit: nevermind I'm sure you meant Santana Moss, I just sort of forgot he existed. DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Dec 14, 2013 |
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Intruder posted:Well Watt wouldn't be a DE in a 4-3 and Clowney wouldn't be a DE in a 3-4. What I'm really looking at is Clowney and Watt on the same side of the line daring teams to block either of them 1 on 1 Pages back, but I was thinking about this the other day: if the Texans do hire Lovie, Watt is totally a three-technique DT in his scheme. Watt's what? 6'5" 290? Tommie Harris was 6'4" 295, Henry Melton is 6'3" 295, etc. And the number one quality that the three-tech needs in Lovie's defense is just being disruptive. Like, they just have to be able to collapse the interior of the pocket, which Watt can definitely do. Plus, Lovie sometimes likes to put his best all-around defensive end at DLE, the way he did with Wale Ogunleye. That would put Clowney and Watt on the same side of the d-line, where the right tackle can't help out with Watt because he's the guy on Clowney. Then Watt is singled up on the right guard, which is awesome. Then you put Whitney Mercilus at DRE in a Mark Anderson type role, where he just rushes outside real fast and cleans up when the QB gets flushed out the back of the pocket. A line of Mercilus-Somebody-Watt-Clowney in a Tampa 2 defense would be terrifying.
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defiantgiant posted:Pages back, but I was thinking about this the other day: if the Texans do hire Lovie, Watt is totally a three-technique DT in his scheme. Watt's what? 6'5" 290? Tommie Harris was 6'4" 295, Henry Melton is 6'3" 295, etc. And the number one quality that the three-tech needs in Lovie's defense is just being disruptive. Like, they just have to be able to collapse the interior of the pocket, which Watt can definitely do. This is the main reason why I hope Detroit doesn't go after Lovie. Imagine Suh and Ansah stomping on a human face, forever
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Gendo posted:Wilson has about 5 times the brain power though. Yeah, but if Johnny Football got drafted by Seattle, he'd lay so much pipe between Texas and Washington they wouldn't even need the Keystone XL
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