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Crigit posted:Can you even do engineering with warp things? Sure you can, if you don't mind the odd demonic possession, persistent hallucinations, ghostly voices and the
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Crigit posted:Can you even do engineering with warp things? Most explanations of warp happenings I've seen sound an awful lot like 'a wizard did it.' A wizard does do it. Literally. And it's quite easy to merge warp magic with technology. Every ship of the Imperium runs on arcane technology for its gellar field and warp engine, and so does a lot of other warp related technology. The warp just has a habit of being extremely volatile and actively malicious.
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May 14, 2014 21:05
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Random blabber posted:Don't worry, if chaos does so up, the fact that they were summoned by Drogan ensures their inevitable failure, since the only thing that man can do is screw up. Drogans score on fuckups:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Drogan's only specialty is loving up. Inquisitor Drogan, Ordo Dumbass.
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May 14, 2014 23:03
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Wheres the Ordo Hereticus in all this? Sounds like they dropped the ball here. Some witchhunter should have kicked in Drogan's door with their retinue and a Adepta Sororitas detatchment long ago.
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May 14, 2014 23:34
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Whenever one shows up, a Lord of Change just pops out and kills them. Drogan pays this no mind.
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May 14, 2014 23:37
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I imagine Titus questioning the inquisitor's actions, and shrugging because "There's no way he could have possibly been that stupid"
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May 14, 2014 23:41
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my dad posted:I imagine Titus questioning the inquisitor's actions, and shrugging because "There's no way he could have possibly been that stupid" More like he really is not in the mood to handle this right now. they have a planet full of Orks and a Titan manufactorum to secure, the longer the stay the more battle brothers get to die. If Drogan has a weapon that can stop that, best go use it rather than wait the months or YEARS it would take to actually purge the planet of Orks. He's a soldier, his mind is on winning the battle at hand, if that means firing a potentially risky weapon? Well it wouldn't be the first time using a gun that has a chance to blow up in your face. Let the Inquisition sort this all out after the battle, and if we're all dead, track down Drogan in the warp and curbstomp him until he wishes he could die again. If the Psychic Scourge doesn't obliterate everyones souls.
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May 15, 2014 00:01
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Issue with that is is that he's a Ultramarine of the Space Marines, he's going against chapter regulations. Especially since it's warp technology.
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May 15, 2014 00:09
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Um, isn't having the planet overrun by orks preferable to unleashing warp... things all over the place? At least the orks will only chop off your arms, shoot you in the foot (aiming for the face) and then unscrew your head from your body. No mucking about with souls. Besides, it's not like a big mek is going to figure out how to start producing orky titans or something.
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May 15, 2014 00:16
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Poil posted:Um, isn't having the planet overrun by orks preferable to unleashing warp... things all over the place? At least the orks will only chop off your arms, shoot you in the foot (aiming for the face) and then unscrew your head from your body. No mucking about with souls. Besides, it's not like a big mek is going to figure out how to start producing orky titans or something.
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May 15, 2014 00:19
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Poil posted:Um, isn't having the planet overrun by orks preferable to unleashing warp... things all over the place? At least the orks will only chop off your arms, shoot you in the foot (aiming for the face) and then unscrew your head from your body. No mucking about with souls. Besides, it's not like a big mek is going to figure out how to start producing orky titans or something. They're called gargants, but orks never needed any special facility to make those before. Worst case is that the orks make a few gargants and buzz off to fight someone else, which is preferable Graia turning into a daemon world and mass producing chaos titans. Now that I think of it, I'm kind of surprised Drogan didn't accidentally get the warlord titan possessed by a daemon while running his experiments.
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May 15, 2014 00:25
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Issue: Titans are in fact replaceable, they are one of the few technologies that the admech do have the capability to build up, in fact since this forge world can build warlord class titans (which are the heavier of the two main battle titan chassis the imperium does regularly) it should have its own titan legion, which is probably off somewhere.
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May 15, 2014 00:47
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AtomikKrab posted:Issue: Titans are in fact replaceable, they are one of the few technologies that the admech do have the capability to build up, in fact since this forge world can build warlord class titans (which are the heavier of the two main battle titan chassis the imperium does regularly) it should have its own titan legion, which is probably off somewhere. I'm trying to ignore that this is the least heavily defended forge world ever.
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May 15, 2014 00:53
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While Titans are replaceable to a given extent of the term, the practical issue here is that titans can take up to several hundred years to build, each. Any part of a titan is incredibly invaluable to the Imperium and Mechanius, including the crew. You're right about the planet's titan legion though, where is it?
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May 15, 2014 00:56
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Titans are technically replaceable, but the galaxy is considered so vast in WH40k that they might not be replaceable in this sector/sub-sector. If the Titan Legion it's supporting is currently off on crusade, that would probably doom the crusade, and therefore the strategic value is absolute.Saint Celestine posted:Wheres the Ordo Hereticus in all this? Sounds like they dropped the ball here. Some witchhunter should have kicked in Drogan's door with their retinue and a Adepta Sororitas detatchment long ago. Inquisitors are all insanely busy people. The Inquisition is just not big enough to properly track down every lead and investigate every case. New Inquisitors get a fair bit of oversight from their mentors, but after you're promoted to full Inquisitor, the only oversight you have is occasional reports to your Inquisitor Lord (of the sort that we've already seen Drogan kind of fudging). Beyond that, Inquisitors are generally given a big budget, a bigger list of problems to solve, and told to go to work. There's an entire pen-and-paper ruleset called Dark Heresy where the entire idea is that the players are a party of Acolytes. Which is basically a fancy word for a group of expendable specialists that an Inquisitor hires to go check out one of the problems on his list that he's too busy to get to himself. And these can be some non-trivial problems - the Dark Heresy campaign I ran had the Acolyte squad parachuting in to an agri-world after their boss's pet psyker got really sick passing by it. Turned out there was a pretty active genestealer cult on the planet that was raiding graveyards and poo poo for spare parts. So she ended up sending a group of 5 dudes, the hardest of which was an ex-Imperial Guardsman with a laser rifle, into a game of Mafia with a countdown to a zombie apocalypse. Oops.
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May 15, 2014 00:58
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If I remember correctly. Some versions of Titans and the Lasgun were the only things the Adeptus Mechanicus ever created. (Though this was pre Heresy aka before everyone became morons.)
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May 15, 2014 01:04
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MonsterEnvy posted:If I remember correctly. Some versions of Titans and the Lasgun were the only things the Adeptus Mechanicus ever created. (Though this was pre Heresy aka before everyone became morons.) May I point out the Admech created the Vengeance launcher fo this game?
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May 15, 2014 01:07
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bunnyofdoom posted:May I point out the Admech created the Vengeance launcher fo this game? Ok they created 3 things. All probably pre Heresy and we have just never heard of the VL until now.
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May 15, 2014 01:10
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As Coolguye pointed out, the average Inquisitor is also less of a 'do things personally' badass type and more of a spymaster with their own intelligence agency. I'm wondering where the hell Drogan's Acolytes are. Probably all off getting into terrible trouble all through the sector as they take on his caseload.
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May 15, 2014 01:15
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Night10194 posted:As Coolguye pointed out, the average Inquisitor is also less of a 'do things personally' badass type and more of a spymaster with their own intelligence agency. I'm wondering where the hell Drogan's Acolytes are. Probably all off getting into terrible trouble all through the sector as they take on his caseload. Or maybe they're getting killed by John McClaine.
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May 15, 2014 01:22
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Night10194 posted:As Coolguye pointed out, the average Inquisitor is also less of a 'do things personally' badass type and more of a spymaster with their own intelligence agency. I'm wondering where the hell Drogan's Acolytes are. Probably all off getting into terrible trouble all through the sector as they take on his caseload. Given Drogon's sheer incompetence, I can only assume they all died in incredibly preventable ways long before he ever set foot on Graia.
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May 15, 2014 01:23
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Ulvirich posted:Issue with that is is that he's a Ultramarine of the Space Marines, he's going against chapter regulations. Especially since it's warp technology. Probably the reason why he's allowing this is as Drogan is an inquisitor there is relatively little that Titus can do to stop him from using the weapon, best to be close when things go out of hand to fix things.
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May 15, 2014 01:26
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Marines can and will push an Inquisitor's poo poo in, it's just a matter of doing it in a way that doesn't seem suspicious.
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WickedHate posted:Marines can and will push an Inquisitor's poo poo in, it's just a matter of doing it in a way that doesn't seem suspicious. Oh no. The inquisitor fell down some stairs. Onto those chainswords. And bolt shells....
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May 15, 2014 01:29
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WickedHate posted:Marines can and will push an Inquisitor's poo poo in, it's just a matter of doing it in a way that doesn't seem suspicious. Unless you're the chapter master of the Space Wolves. In which case you can tell the Inquisition to gently caress off and the Inquisition does just that.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Oh no. The inquisitor fell down some stairs. Onto those chainswords. And bolt shells.... Far more plausible then when some Inquistor's took issue with the Celestial Lions ratting them out for destroying a planet for no good reason, and so gave them bad intel that led to them being ambushed, with the remaining survivors being picked off by "Ork snipers".
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May 15, 2014 01:43
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WickedHate posted:Far more plausible then when some Inquistor's took issue with the Celestial Lions ratting them out for destroying a planet for no good reason, and so gave them bad intel that led to them being ambushed, with the remaining survivors being picked off by "Ork snipers". That does show how much of a bro Grimaldus is cause he basically said "poo poo's rough guys, we'll help you, no biggie"
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May 15, 2014 01:45
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WickedHate posted:Marines can and will push an Inquisitor's poo poo in, it's just a matter of doing it in a way that doesn't seem suspicious. That's the thing, for all of his failings Drogan is probably totally expecting that and planned for it.
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The Inquisition is responsible for the utter annihilation of the Flame Falcons chapter. The Flame Falcons were a chapter of the 21st founding, which was cursed due to horrible luck or horrid Geneseed mutations, the Flame Falcons mutation was being on loving fire and not feeling the pain. So basically there were a bunch of Space Marines on fire who fought for the emperor and in no way were corrupted. But since they were on fire, an Inquisitor decided "Nope, you're all corrupted and heretics" and sent the Grey Knights to murder them all. You would be loving shocked (No you wouldn't) by how many chapters have gone rogue because of the Inquisition. Hell another 21st founding Chapter is the Black Dragons, who's mutation is loving arm blades and horns, which they decided "Awesome" coated with Adamantium and decided to turn them all into Wolverine Assault Marines. and despite the fact they are 100% loyal, are not a result of chaos corruption in any way, and commited 9 of their 10 companies to the 13th Black Crusade defense, the Inquisition still wants to wipe them out. And not just that, the Dark Angels and Marines Malevolent don't even want to fight along side them. Then again the MM are loving assholes without being heretics and the Dark Angels have their own issues like the Fallen. Maybe they're just mad the Black Dragons are all mutated and don't give a gently caress since it lets them kill better for the emperor with no corruption.
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The Imperium's bureaucracy strangles it, so it produces a class of agent who doesn't get constrained by it; those agents then proceed to poo poo all over everything, regularly go insane, and cause enormous damage. So goes the tale of the Imperial Inquisition and it is HILARIOUS.
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Onmi posted:But since they were on fire, an Inquisitor decided "Nope, you're all corrupted and heretics" and sent the Grey Knights to murder them all. Speaking of the Grey Knights, there was that one time they found a convent of Adepta Sororitas - consecrated warrior-nuns who might be a little quick to set things on fire but are so pious and devoted to the Emperor that they can and do invoke battlefield miracles - holding out very well against a massive onslaught by daemons of Khorne even after the rest of the planet had fallen. The Grey Knights landed, killed all of the Sisters of Battle, and used their blood to cover their own armor in additional anti-daemon runes.
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Cythereal posted:Speaking of the Grey Knights, there was that one time they found a convent of Adepta Sororitas - consecrated warrior-nuns who might be a little quick to set things on fire but are so pious and devoted to the Emperor that they can and do invoke battlefield miracles - holding out very well against a massive onslaught by daemons of Khorne even after the rest of the planet had fallen. The Grey Knights landed, killed all of the Sisters of Battle, and used their blood to cover their own armor in additional anti-daemon runes.
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Cythereal posted:Speaking of the Grey Knights, there was that one time they found a convent of Adepta Sororitas - consecrated warrior-nuns who might be a little quick to set things on fire but are so pious and devoted to the Emperor that they can and do invoke battlefield miracles - holding out very well against a massive onslaught by daemons of Khorne even after the rest of the planet had fallen. The Grey Knights landed, killed all of the Sisters of Battle, and used their blood to cover their own armor in additional anti-daemon runes. Onmi posted:
Fortunately everyone hates the Marines Malevolent. Everyone. I think they are on the way to extinction too. The Inquisition is just as bad as the rest of the Imperium, which is to say there's good and there's bad. Some Inquisitors are pretty 
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Yeah, that was some bullshit. Some Inquisitors are scary as gently caress. Strangely enough they mostly all hail from the Ordo Hereticus. For example, theres this dude-  Look at that. Thats a GOOD guy. http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Tyrus You think Tyrus would have put up with Drogan's stupid bullshit? Nope. Then there's Inquisitor Lord Karamazov who has a robot throne and goes around burning heretics.  Ordo Hereticus, Best Ordo. 
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And to just break down the Dark Angel nonsense, basically when the Horus Heresy came around Lion El took basically half his legion on the Crusades and left the other half to Garrison Caliban, his home. This caused resentment with the Garrisoned Angels so Chaos came a knocking. So when Lion El came back from the Siege of Terra with dear old dad near death, the brother who was chosen above him to be Warmaster a heretic and dead, and the Jesus of the Primarchs also dead, he was kind of loving pissed off that his Dark Angels he left behind were now opening fire on him. This wound up BLOWING UP CALIBAN and leaving the Fortress-Monastery of the Dark Angels as all that remained. So the Dark Angels viciously hunt the Fallen, because they perceive it as a shame they can never wash away and will be thought of as heretics if it ever gets out. This actually lead to a horrible incident known as the Ophidium Gulf Crusade, long story short, the Black Templars found one of the Fallen and along came the Dark Angels to demand them, and even began powering up their weapons blowing it way out of proportion. They handed him over, and the Dark Angels murdered them all to keep the secret from getting out (Is the implication anyway) They are just viciously ashamed and afraid of the Imperium finding out that half of them became renegades. And the ones they do find are basically given a chance to repent. However those who clearly showed are happy to be in chaos and/or were not just helpless saps that wound up in this position due to their superiors, they kill. The thing is, the Grey Knights (who work for the inquisition) already KNOW about the fallen, and thus the Inquisition know, in fact the Grey Knights are sort of responsible for everything that happened and caused the entire situation to escalate into full blown heresy. Meaning the Dark Angels perceived fears are entirely pointless. Meaning they killed an entire ship of Dark Templars over nothing. 40K! http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Fallen_Angels
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So are the Black Templers really that great? They get painted as ultra angry psyker hating Knights Templar, but the fluff seems to make them out to be pretty cool.
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WickedHate posted:So are the Black Templers really that great? They get painted as ultra angry psyker hating Knights Templar, but the fluff seems to make them out to be pretty cool. They're pretty chill dudes. probably one of the most popular Second Founding chapters.
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Black Templars are just a bunch of really diligent German Catholic types until you have a Librarian try to talk to them. At which point their attitude will become something to the extent of "That's great, mutie, is there a REAL MAN we can talk to over there?" And that's when they're being watched and can't just shoot him immediately.
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Coolguye posted:Black Templars are just a bunch of really diligent German Catholic types until you have a Librarian try to talk to them. Which itself has been rescinded a tiny bit, since it's kind of impossible to travel space without the help of at least some Psykers. Also the Templars are an example of a marine chapter saying "Fuuuuuuuuuuck that" to the 1000 limit blatantly, there's anywhere from 2 to 6 thousand Black Templars, meaning that they are very good at getting poo poo done.
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From what I understand, the Black Templars are one of the few non-First Founding chapters to enjoy much popularity with the player base. Helps that they have a distinctive color scheme that tends to look really good when done well in miniatures and artwork.
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