Krinkle posted:

cb75075 • 11 minutes ago
Can the people criticizing on this forum explain exactly what the criticism is?

Heresiarch posted:

"can you guys please stop killing yourselves, it's bad for bitcoin"

Krinkle posted:

So HOW is this exactly some example of failed libertarian principles? In fact it represents how people should interact ie in a voluntary way using their own resources and solving their own problems.

trucutru posted:

That's the problem with libertarian adventures, so very few get to the actual starting point. It is kind of difficult to wait for them to implode when they self-destructed before even starting.

Has there even been any successful libertarian community?

Krinkle posted:

cb75075 • 11 minutes ago
Can the people criticizing on this forum explain exactly what the criticism is?

How is a failed land deal any representation of failed libertarian ideas?

1. This is a failed land deal with possible fraud. So what. No libertarian says there aren't problems or criminals.
2. The people involved invested THEIR OWN money. They never used someone else's money ie from a tax payer which is force.
3. They LOST their OWN money and NOT someone else's. They did not force someone else to pay for a failed land deal. They are all financially damaged and these aren't rich people.
4. THEY got hurt and are taking the responsibility to rectify THEIR OWN PROBLEM. Again no initiation of force. THEY are dealing with their own problem.

So HOW is this exactly some example of failed libertarian principles? In fact it represents how people should interact ie in a voluntary way using their own resources and solving their own problems.

the crazy tree-loving who woman runs the place posted:

CB, thank you. Truly,

which one of you guys wrote this posted:

Well, since Wendy is a self-described "anarchist"... I wouldn't expect an anarchist to worry about silly things like contracts being enforced. Anyways, so, you ask, "how is this an example of failed libertarian principals?" IT'S NOT. It's a great example of libertarian principals in full force -- and that means you lost a lot of money. Enjoy!

Krinkle posted:

cb75075 • 11 minutes ago
Can the people criticizing on this forum explain exactly what the criticism is?

How is a failed land deal any representation of failed libertarian ideas?

1. This is a failed land deal with possible fraud. So what. No libertarian says there aren't problems or criminals.
2. The people involved invested THEIR OWN money. They never used someone else's money ie from a tax payer which is force.
3. They LOST their OWN money and NOT someone else's. They did not force someone else to pay for a failed land deal. They are all financially damaged and these aren't rich people.
4. THEY got hurt and are taking the responsibility to rectify THEIR OWN PROBLEM. Again no initiation of force. THEY are dealing with their own problem.

So HOW is this exactly some example of failed libertarian principles? In fact it represents how people should interact ie in a voluntary way using their own resources and solving their own problems.

which one of you guys wrote this posted posted:

It's a great example of libertarian principals in full force -- and that means you lost a lot of money.

Robawesome posted:

Bitcoin, Startups, and Suicide: Being an entrepreneur is hard (self.Bitcoin)

submitted 5 hours ago by SeansOutpost

For over a week now, I’ve been trying to write a year in review piece for Satoshi Forest. The words, which usually just flow like a spigot when I’m passionate about something, seem to just dribble out. And what little eeks by is hardly print worthy. Maybe it’s just writer’s block? Writer’s block happens. Or maybe I’m not as passionate about Satoshi Forest as I used to be?

But, I am passionate about Satoshi Forest, perhaps more than I ever have been. And writer’s block, if it is the culprit, cannot explain why I haven’t responded to Elizabeth Ploshay’s ALS Ice Bucket Challenge, in a timely fashion. I guess I’ll have to donate now. You see it’s not just the Satoshi Forest year in review, it’s everything. Emails from friends I haven’t responded to, phone calls I let go to voicemail, new endeavors at Sean’s Outpost I let sit unannounced (http://blockchain.satoshiforest.com/). And then it hits me. I’ve been here before.

I’m really depressed.

And it seems to be going around.

Since the tragic suicide of Robin Williams, four (4) people close to me have also tried to kill themselves. One succeeded. An anecdotal survey of my friends has seen an equal uptick in the number of people talking about or attempting suicide. It’s been really disturbing.

In the preparations for the Bitcoin in the Beltway conference this past June, I had one of the more surreal conversations of my life. An east coast sales director for Marriott called me wanting to know if bitcoin was linked to suicide. They had heard of the tragic death of Autumn Radtke in March (http://nypost.com/2014/03/06/bitcoin-firm-ceo-jumped-to-her-death-neighbor/) and were concerned about hosting a conference for a technology that was making people kill themselves. I was sure he was joking. He was not. The conversation I had with him must have allayed his fears. #BitcoinBeltway went great, can’t wait to do it again next year.

Obviously, bitcoin does not cause suicide. And while we are quick to sticky a “suicide prevention hotline” when the price crashes, bitcoin is not causing depression. What we may want to look into is something that is not bitcoin related, but more something that comes part and parcel with “bitcoiners”.

The woes of entrepreneurship and startup culture.

Being an entrepreneur is loving hard. Really hard. Most people don’t even attempt it.

It might not feel that way to you, but likely that’s because you surround yourself with other entrepreneurs. Your friends work at startups. Your trips are to startup conferences and conventions. Your news feed is r/bitcoin and hacker news. You are firmly in the echo chamber.

Most people will never try and build a product or company. So most people will never experience what it is like to fear you won’t make payroll and someone else will not be able to pay their rent because of you.

Most people will never know how difficult it is to raise money. To get someone else to believe in you enough to open their checkbook and support you financially. The hours you spend and the mental strain that comes from hearing “No” again and again and again. And if you get a “Yes” the pressure doesn’t dissipate! It increases! Now it’s your crazy idea and someone elses money you’re responsible for.

Being an entrepreneur is really hard.

And we are really hard on ourselves. We are afraid to show any weakness. Because we’ve been taught being weak or vulnerable is to be shunned. If someone asks you how your company is doing “We’re killing. it.” probably comes off your lips before you’ve even processed the question.

It is statistically impossible for everyone to always be “killing it”.

But ask at your next mixer or meetup and almost everyone will be “killing it”.

And that pressure to succeed, to perform, to win is immense. And I think that pressure may be even worse in bitcoin.

Not to everyone, but to a lot of bitcoin early adopters, and especially to a lot of early bitcoin entrepreneurs, bitcoin is a promise. A glimpse of a better world free from the inequalities brought by our legacy financial system. So if you fail in bitcoin, it is easy to feel that you are failing on that promise too.

I’ve felt that way. Felt that if I screw up I am screwing it up for every non-profit and charity. That they will somehow not get the benefits of bitcoin because I failed. I see it in others. Just a week ago at #Cryptolina I talked with a group of brilliant entrepreneurs who were convinced that if they didn’t beat an incumbent payment solution to market, they had lost the war. And that whole segment of the market would NEVER benefit from cryptocurrency.

Being a bitcoin entrepreneur is hard.

And I don’t have the answers to how to deal with all the pressure and depression that come from doing what we do. But I have learned a couple of things and maybe someone else that is experiencing depression or having dark thoughts can read this and gain some value from what I’ve learned. And even better, maybe someone that has dealt with depression in the past can riff on what I’ve said and provide some insight into how they cope.

1) You are not alone.

When you are depressed, it seems like everyone else has it all together and you are the anomaly. That’s not true. They probably don’t have their poo poo together either. And everyone has problems we don’t see. Everyone.

Some of the greatest entrepreneurs and investors of all time have had brutal fights with depression and suicidal thoughts.

READ:

http://www.inc.com/magazine/201309/jessica-bruder/psychological-price-of-entrepreneurship.html

2) Bitcoin needs you and it doesn’t need you. And that’s ok.

Bitcoin needs you. It really does. But it doesn’t need only you, it needs all of us. You are not the single point of failure. Bitcoins success is just a decentralized as the blockchain. So give yourself a break. It’s ok to make mistakes and it’s ok to fail. It’s even ok to fail spectacularly.

Think back to how many times bitcoin has been declared dead. How many times has the price crashed? How many times has a major bitcoin institution been corrupted/hacked/found to be a scam?

And yet, here we are. An you are here too.

3) It is ok to ask for help.

This is hard to learn. We come from a self sufficient culture. And if you ask for help, people will realize that you are not as awesome as they thought you were...BULLSHIT. Asking for help has ZERO bearing on how awesome a person you are. In fact, your friends WANT TO HELP YOU. Being there for you in a moment of crisis is something your friends are probably really down for. But if you ignore them or won’t tell them you are having problems it is really difficult for them to help. Talk to someone. If all else fails you can always call…

THE NATIONAL SUICIDE PREVENTION LIFELINE: 1-800-273-TALK (8255)

I know all of this might not make a difference. When you are caught up in your head in the middle of a depressive episode nothing seems to help. Try to find something that you can concentrate on just to get you thru the worst of it. For me, I go play with my kids. It helps me. Sometimes more than others.

If you are feeling down, try to talk to someone. And if you see someone feeling down, try to lend a supportive ear.

Bitcoin needs you alive.

Robawesome posted:

Bitcoin, Startups, and Suicide: Being an entrepreneur is hard (self.Bitcoin)

FMguru posted:

the follow-up replies are just as precious

quote:

Well, since Wendy is a self-described "anarchist"... I wouldn't expect an anarchist to worry about silly things like contracts being enforced. Anyways, so, you ask, "how is this an example of failed libertarian principals?" IT'S NOT. It's a great example of libertarian principals in full force -- and that means you lost a lot of money. Enjoy!

Robawesome posted:

all these numbers are coming out of my rear end.

Robawesome posted:

all these words are coming out of my rear end.

theflyingorc posted:

rons paul

NZAmoeba posted:

FYI this is funny because grover became a licensed house inspector just to give his own house the thumbs up

Chris Knight posted:

the libertarian community that was planned

FrozenVent posted:

he got his pe certs though didn't he

Brain Aged posted:

Krinkle posted:

cb75075 • 11 minutes ago
Can the people criticizing on this forum explain exactly what the criticism is?

How is a failed land deal any representation of failed libertarian ideas?

1. This is a failed land deal with possible fraud. So what. No libertarian says there aren't problems or criminals.
2. The people involved invested THEIR OWN money. They never used someone else's money ie from a tax payer which is force.
3. They LOST their OWN money and NOT someone else's. They did not force someone else to pay for a failed land deal. They are all financially damaged and these aren't rich people.
4. THEY got hurt and are taking the responsibility to rectify THEIR OWN PROBLEM. Again no initiation of force. THEY are dealing with their own problem.

So HOW is this exactly some example of failed libertarian principles? In fact it represents how people should interact ie in a voluntary way using their own resources and solving their own problems.

The Management posted:

the great thing about libertarianism is that taxes are force (which is the worst infringement of my rights) but shooting people for lying is cool.

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trucutru posted:

significant otter

trucutru posted:

significant otter

DaTroof posted:

of course they didn't pay for water rights. everyone knows water has no intrinsic value

quote:

Next to me is Sally Richards, creator and manager of the 123-member Meetup group named “Ghosts Happen.” Richards is holding an obvilus — a device akin to an electronic Ouija board that paranormal enthusiasts use in an attempt to contact spirits.

quote:

The general idea behind the Zeitgeist Movement is to shift our current societal focus to instead foster people’s needs and wants. They believe society should use available resources instead of cash. They are basically modern-day hippies.

quote:

The costumed men and a few women belong to the San Diego Furries Meetup group. The group is for adults that dress in custom-made fur costumes. Only, don’t call them costumes. One of the furries bristles when I use the term. He politely explains, “You don’t call it a costume; it’s a suit.”

quote:

I make my way across the room and spark up a conversation with a scrappy-looking older gentleman wearing a Members Only jacket that is so retro it is back in style. He is carrying on a conversation with a 30-something whose chiseled chin gives him the appearance of someone that has just stepped out of an REI catalog. The pair is discussing how Bitcoin has solved the Byzantine General issue.

trucutru posted:

http://www.piforcoins.com/infidelity-investigator/

Don't you need to have a significant otter in order for them to cheat on you? I don't see this business getting much demand.

Heresiarch posted:

Heresiarch posted:

Brain Aged posted:

trucutru posted:

significant otter

Nintendo Kid posted:

Robawesome posted:

Now let's say inflation is at a slightly higher rate that the target, at 4% a year, which is I think reasonable with the increased spending, debt obligations, and possibly continuing troubles in the global economy (it's just 1% higher than the Fed's 3% target)

trucutru posted:

http://www.piforcoins.com/infidelity-investigator/



Don't you need to have a significant otter in order for them to cheat on you? I don't see this business getting much demand.