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chairface posted:Yeah let's see what happens when everyone doesn't go home nicely after dark. While I also want to see what happens as things wear on, I don't really understand why things should turn lovely again at this point. The cops seem genuinely interested in deescalation and not quashing the protests if for no other reason than to cover their own collective rear end, and with greater pressure coming down on the police department I don't expect the protestors to feel the need to storm the police office right the gently caress now. It's in everyone's best interest, at least for the next day or two, to maintain the status quo with protestors being allowed to do their thing and the cops having a presence without shoving weapons in people's faces. I don't see how the sun going down will change that.
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chairface posted:Yeah let's see what happens when everyone doesn't go home nicely after dark. He said as long as they don't block the street, they can stay out there all night.
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KernelSlanders posted:He said as long as they don't block the street, they can stay out there all night. He also did say 20-30 people, so if crowds are bigger than that, I don't know.
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Spiritus Nox posted:While I also want to see what happens as things wear on, I don't really understand why things should turn lovely again at this point. The cops seem genuinely interested in deescalation and not quashing the protests if for no other reason than to cover their own collective rear end, and with greater pressure coming down on the police department I don't expect the protestors to feel the need to storm the police office right the gently caress now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's also not all the same police. Highway Patrol and city police (I think city police are involved now?) are there to unfuck this, and don't have any ego on the line to protect how the county police hosed things up. It's not their egos on the line. Or I could be wrong, I dunno, I'm 1000 miles away. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Aug 15, 2014 |
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Cease to Hope posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's also not all the same police. Highway Patrol and city police (I think city police are involved now?) are there to unfuck this, and don't have any ego on the line to protect how the county police hosed things up. It's not their egos on the line. City police aren't touching this with a ten foot taser.
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In other protests I've been in where the cops aren't shitheels, what happens is the main group of peaceful folk congregate somewhere because their numbers shrink after dark anyway. Then maybe some dumb-rear end kids start something (a fire, a fight, looting, a building occupation) and then the big difference is: Do the cops respond to the protesters at large or seek to separate the violence from the main group? So if the police can handle arresting any dumb fucks without dispersing/attacking the whole crowd then things might go better tonight.
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Stultus Maximus posted:City police aren't touching this with a ten foot taser. https://twitter.com/SLMPD/status/500053538421354497 Strike that, they're at a separate vigil downtown, not in Ferguson.
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Trabisnikof posted:So if the police can handle arresting any dumb fucks without dispersing/attacking the whole crowd then things might go better tonight. I'm cautiously optimistic on that front. These guys seem know their heads from their asses well enough to understand that if any disturbances aren't handled like a loving breeze tonight, everyone involved loses.
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Stultus Maximus posted:City police aren't touching this with a ten foot taser. I know they weren't when the county were doing everything in their power to gently caress things up, but the fact that their police chief (city) released a statement that basically said "gently caress those guys" I would actually be surprised if there weren't city police being tapped to help. e: n/m, looks like their at a difference vigil.
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http://instagram.com/p/rsk0_jkQdU/ I don't really have anything to add to that.
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Cease to Hope posted:http://instagram.com/p/rsk0_jkQdU/ drat right. Jesus Christ, this is just making it clear how badly the local chucklefucks were spoiling for a fight.
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Johnson: "you can stay all night, yell, shout, whatever. We just need you out of the sidewalk." https://twitter.com/rlippmann/status/500056048674562050
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Cease to Hope posted:http://instagram.com/p/rsk0_jkQdU/ Can you tell me what they say at the beginning? I can't make it out.
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The name of the officer who shot Brown still hasn't been released yet, right? Looking at the response now, it looks like all anyone in Ferguson really wanted was the ability to congregate without threat of being assaulted.
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Jesus. It's like someone in Missouri has had a sudden stroke of competence and put the adults in charge.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Can you tell me what they say at the beginning? I can't make it out. "Just want to know where you are going" "The quick trip" "we'll make sure you there"
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Wait, so what you're saying is treating protesters like human beings and not as A TURRIST THREAT has massively helped calm things down? Who knew.
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Evil Sagan posted:The name of the officer who shot Brown still hasn't been released yet? Looking at the response now, it looks like all anyone in Ferguson really wanted was the ability to congregate without threat of being assaulted. It was. The protests were peaceful with nothing but a handful of bad eggs damaging property....and then the cops opened fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO1SKC6dK7o ^ Actual proof that the cops shot first at this one.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Can you tell me what they say at the beginning? I can't make it out. leader: (shouting) Johnson: I just wanna know where you're going leader: Going to Quiktrip then we're stopping Johnson: (unintelligble) Okay. leader: This way! (starts chanting again) Evil Sagan posted:The name of the officer who shot Brown still hasn't been released yet, right? Looking at the response now, it looks like all anyone in Ferguson really wanted was the ability to congregate without threat of being assaulted. No, not yet.
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm cautiously optimistic on that front. These guys seem know their heads from their asses well enough to understand that if any disturbances aren't handled like a loving breeze tonight, everyone involved loses. Yeah, I'm really hoping Johnson pulls this off, not only for the sake of the people there, but also as an example of how proper policing works. With a gas mask on, you can't tell the drunk guy to go home and sleep it off. You do sort of get the sense that he's gone all-in on the river, though.
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Spiritus Nox posted:I've been hearing that it's supposed to be a matter of public record and the local cops have been hiding it behind procedure - can anyone confirm that? Because if that's true then it's just a matter of time before it comes out. It's a matter of time. The ACLU made a request for unredacted reports of the shooting and then filed suit when the cops failed to fulfill their request after 72 hours. It might take a few weeks, but it'll shake out. I don't trust Anonymous' sources for poo poo, so I wouldn't believe a thing they say unless it's corroborated by another outlet.
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Spiritus Nox posted:I've been hearing that it's supposed to be a matter of public record and the local cops have been hiding it behind procedure - can anyone confirm that? Because if that's true then it's just a matter of time before it comes out. From the Post-Dispatch: quote:A public cry for the name of the Ferguson police officer who killed Michael Brown is a fresh and uncommonly loud iteration of a recurring debate on the balance between police credibility and a public servant’s safety.
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Probably a couple thousand people out here, maybe more. Lots of honking
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Spiritus Nox posted:drat right. Jesus Christ, this is just making it clear how badly the local chucklefucks were spoiling for a fight. The counties response just reinforced my concept that most police officers want to play military / shooty man "PEW PEW LOOK AT ME I'M ARMY!"
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Spiritus Nox posted:I've been hearing that it's supposed to be a matter of public record and the local cops have been hiding it behind procedure - can anyone confirm that? Because if that's true then it's just a matter of time before it comes out. quote:Except as provided in subsections 4, 5, 6 and 7 of this section, if any portion of a record or document of a law enforcement officer or agency, other than an arrest report, which would otherwise be open, contains information that is reasonably likely to pose a clear and present danger to the safety of any victim, witness, undercover officer, or other person … that portion of the record shall be closed and shall be redacted from any record made available pursuant to this chapter. http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C600-699/6100000100.HTM No dice in Ferguson. The specific requirements are going to differ by state and city, and here they are so broadly worded that the department could conceivably never release it unless they are compelled to by criminal charges.
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Stultus Maximus posted:From the Post-Dispatch: It's amazing how hard the Post-Dispatch is shilling for the police. No wonder their reporter had to wear body armor. Accusing the protestors of wanting vigilante violence against the officer for asking for his name is pretty lovely. I imagine they don't have much distribution in that area.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Can you tell me what they say at the beginning? I can't make it out. Megaphone: - Up! (I assume it was 'listen') Jackson: Just wondering where you're going. Megaphone: We're going to Quick Trip then we're stopping. Jackson: ----- Just want to make sure you get there. Megaphone: That's what we want. Wow, beaten like hell. KernelSlanders posted:Yeah, I'm really hoping Johnson pulls this off, not only for the sake of the people there, but also as an example of how proper policing works. With a gas mask on, you can't tell the drunk guy to go home and sleep it off. You do sort of get the sense that he's gone all-in on the river, though. Apparently the police don't even have their gas masks on them today. I'm sure there's a cache of them in a command center somewhere, but even little human touches like that go a long way.
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chitoryu12 posted:It was. The protests were peaceful with nothing but a handful of bad eggs damaging property....and then the cops opened fire. Good lord, I assume I'm hearing the LRAD?
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AngrySpork posted:The counties response just reinforced my concept that most police officers want to play military / shooty man "PEW PEW LOOK AT ME I'M ARMY!" Actual veterans responding to photos of the police decked out in armor has been amazing. One of them was pointing out the armored officer sitting on top of the MRAP with the sniper rifle and the veteran says, "You don't sit people on top of an armored vehicle if you think you could get shot at." The police there knew the protestors weren't going to fight back and still set up to make war with them.
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Neo Duckberg posted:Probably a couple thousand people out here, maybe more. Lots of honking Sincerest thank you for keeping us updated from the ground through this. Goon among goons.
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bassguitarhero posted:Actual veterans responding to photos of the police decked out in armor has been amazing. One of them was pointing out the armored officer sitting on top of the MRAP with the sniper rifle and the veteran says, "You don't sit people on top of an armored vehicle if you think you could get shot at." The police there knew the protestors weren't going to fight back and still set up to make war with them. I like the one about that scope at that range only being necessary if you care which nostril you hit.
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If anyone's still wondering about Fox2Now's depressing website polls from a few pages back, here's some context:
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GuyDudeBroMan posted:The obvious MRA connections to this story are almost impossible to ignore. Yet the patriarchy has apparently put a media blackout on the issue. What?
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