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I dont get it, they actually emailed you screenshots of your SA posts? lol?! Is there somewhere more private and goonie where I should be sharing my parody photoshops, out of the eye of cigmafia?
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PST posted:Some of their TOS are in violation of EU/UK consumer laws e.g. Hahaha holy poo poo, so they intend to issue a credit note to the customer and then keep the VAT for themselves? Oh god please please please, do this! To put things in perspective for americans, the VAT office is like the IRS. On steroids. With chainsaws in place of hands. You do not gently caress with the VAT unless you have fetish for being mauled by a pack of rabid dogs.
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The paywall's not even up right now. There's plenty of people lurking for their own amusement at this whole debacle.
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Oct 14, 2015 13:36
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Has anyone addressed the fact that they have a system called grabby hands?
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Oct 14, 2015 13:42
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Bluestreak can't read the forums at work but he was nice enough to link the pic.
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Prawned posted:Oh well that settles it, .gov.uk is a very fishy domain so its probably a scam or trick by gamergate. Well, to be fair, gov.uk is very fishy — just not for any reasons that are relevant in this instance.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Bluestreak can't read the forums at work but he was nice enough to link the pic.  wat
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MassivelyOP interviews James Hick, indie space game dev, about the game genre, Star Citizen, and even Derek Smart. He considers Derek a qualified critic of CiGs technical challenges, and addresses the question of cash reserves, hand crafted systems vs procedurally generated ones, and more. Starts about 20 minutes in. Last's about 15 minutes.
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5am, not a coke whore
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Tippis posted:Well, to be fair, gov.uk is very fishy — just not for any reasons that are relevant in this instance. Fishy and chipsy. 
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ALSO CAN I JUST SAY - THIS THREAD HAS DONE IT AGAIN!!!!
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Also, hi Sandi. I don't like your fake accent.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Bluestreak can't read the forums at work but he was nice enough to link the pic. lol what in the gently caress is going on? is Sandi "Pube Hating" Gardiner having some kind of meltdown and tracking down posters in SA? Sandi, why do you hate pubes? Also what is it liek to procreate with mush mouth Crobizzle and his chronic case of hunch back?
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MeLKoR posted:UK consumer law doesn't work like that and they don't get to pocket the VAT when they refund the customer. Hahaha holy poo poo, so they intend to issue a credit note to the customer and then keep the VAT for themselves? Oh god please please please, do this! To put things in perspective for americans, the VAT office is like the IRS. On steroids. With chainsaws in place of hands. You do not gently caress with the VAT unless you have fetish for being mauled by a pack of rabid dogs. [/quote] This is A really good description of the inland revenue. If you try to gently caress with them, enjoy spending the next 20 years explaining every transaction you make in excruciating detail, and still be under suspicion of fraud. Us UK business owners do not gently caress with the tax man.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Bluestreak can't read the forums at work but he was nice enough to link the pic. Wow, these people are a PR flack's worst nightmare.
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G0RF posted:MassivelyOP interviews James Hick, indie space game dev, about the game genre, Star Citizen, and even Derek Smart. He considers Derek a qualified critic of CiGs technical challenges, and addresses the question of cash reserves, hand crafted systems vs procedurally generated ones, and more. Its kind of blow my mind just how much the space genre has expanded since 2012 and the original start citizen kickstarter. Like more then a few space games are coming out that basically do everything Chris Roberts wanted and he could have been ahead of the curve if he could have just kept his ego in check.
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Xaerael posted:Hahaha holy poo poo, so they intend to issue a credit note to the customer and then keep the VAT for themselves? Oh god please please please, do this! Ohhh someone please contact VAT and show that paragraph to them. I don't know if VAT is something like the IRS/CRA or not.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Bluestreak can't read the forums at work but he was nice enough to link the pic. I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Bluestreak can't read the forums at work but he was nice enough to link the pic. No freaking way!
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this thread delivers every loving morning i wake up god drat, bless CIG
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Oct 14, 2015 13:52
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I suspect it's not real, but as with Swedish mafia I just want to believe.
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you do NOT want to deny bluestreak a mother fricking 'sclusie let CIG's fate be a lesson to the rest of you
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Xaerael posted:
How are they so powerful in the UK?
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toanoradian posted:This is A really good description of the inland revenue. If you try to gently caress with them, enjoy spending the next 20 years explaining every transaction you make in excruciating detail, and still be under suspicion of fraud. tax agencies in most first world countries are very powerful its not really a unique thing
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Still on the VAT front, having just chatted to a friend at HMRC (albeit he works in a totally different area). UK Incorporation date for Robert's Space Industries was 07 Feb 2014 They claimed at the start of this year that 'Starting February 1st, 2015, Cloud Imperium Games will be launching a European publishing arm based in the United Kingdom, Roberts Space Industries International, Ltd.' (and yet the company was created a year before then) And because of that, together with the change in EU VAT laws on virtual goods, they would have to start charging VAT at the customer's rate from Feb 1st. Given they'd set the company up a year before hand then it suggests they should have been charging VAT at the standard UK rate through that year (there might be some corporate juggling as to who you were paying, but there's no reason they couldn't have kept that going if that's what they'd been doing up until then to avoid having to charge VAT on European customers.). Possibly an accountant finally looked at it and said 'what the gently caress are you doing?' Obviously when they get round to filing their returns then there'll be more information, but together with the claim that they can withold VAT on refunds, it's enough to give the fraud line a ring (which I've just done). Be interesting to see if they've included their VAT registration number with any receipts from people buying stuff from them (let's say since Feb 1st at least), as they have to do that.
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toanoradian posted:This is A really good description of the inland revenue. If you try to gently caress with them, enjoy spending the next 20 years explaining every transaction you make in excruciating detail, and still be under suspicion of fraud. How are they so powerful in the UK? [/quote] Comes from the days when they were the king's tax collectors I think, messing around with VAT as a business owner is treated pretty much as stealing the queen's money directly out of her handbag.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Bluestreak can't read the forums at work but he was nice enough to link the pic.  Tortolia posted:Most members of the games media only get critical when it is safe to do so. If you don't dig into things or think about the unsustainable nature of the SC model then it is easy to fall into the trap of just parroting the big backer or pledge numbers and assuming that everything is OK. that would be because the product they are selling is information produced by people who aren't obligated to provide it. it's not the media's fault that they go where the dollars are, it's gamers who would prefer to read WILL FALLOUT 4 ALLOW DOG loving? EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW than fifty thousand words about the theory of crowdfunding viability and developer responsibility in an environment without a publisher or major backers ensuring creativity is funneled into something commercially (or even just practically) viable
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HELLO CIG, THIS ITS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER BEEN PAID ATTENTION TO EVER AND IM SOOO EXCITED 
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PST posted:it's enough to give the fraud line a ring (which I've just done). God bless your heart, please report back if you hear anything 
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PST posted:
YES! YES! CIG being audited will be the best loving thing ever, I don't care if this poo poo isn't public. edit: Sandi what is your opinion on working with t-rex arms on a daily basis? Agrajag fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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Trapezium Dave posted:Yeah, I agree with all of this post. Even then it would be pretty bat, depending on whether you consider role of the enthusiast (gaming) press to be only an extension of publishers corporate PR (Woo! Woo! Make way for the hype train!) or to also take up the mantle of consumer advocate and watchdog. Because they would be failing hard at the latter in their coverage of Star Citizen as everything that has erupted from Robert's fetid mouth colon for the last couple years screams - do not pre-order this game. Edit: Also hello to anyone from RSI reading this post. I ask that you consider the following statement: wax on, wax off. Io_ fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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Libluini posted:And playing Space Magellan, don't forget that!  if you dont think dead pigheadfuckers arent fishythanks for sharing your necrophilic preferences
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Unlike the game it's about, this thread delivers every day.
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 Yup, sure is a good morning. We've got more moles than Lesnick's rear end and tax shenanigans abound.
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thatguy posted:Unlike the game it's about, this thread delivers every day.
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D_Smart Please show up at PaxSouth 2016 and host a Panel. http://south.panels.paxsite.com/main/login Maybe something along the line of Backer Beware: The Rise and Fall of a crowd funded project The Nov 2015 deadline will have expired and you could reach people that have missed your Blog or do not use SA. The one thing that is constant with CIG doing events. They do not actually participate in the Pax/Gamescon event itself. They always get off site hosting and sell tickets for their events. This could be the first and only official Panel at PAX for this "game" Or if thats too much work, just show up and have some drinks with fellow Goons.
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Hi Dave, Could you also please confirm your status re: being/not being a garbage dick? Thanks, Sandi
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Bluestreak can't read the forums at work but he was nice enough to link the pic. I guess this is your friendly reminder that if you want to talk poo poo about a company you're trying to get money out of, do your poo poo talking in private or from a name that you can't be traced from, because god drat.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Bluestreak can't read the forums at work but he was nice enough to link the pic.  Every single time
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