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Tangle trees are actually in the first book, too. I just skipped them because they were never important.
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You talked about Bink and Dee and I think Crombie hiding under a tangle tree which had recently eaten.
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# ? Jul 26, 2013 18:37 |
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Welcome to chapter 1 of The Source of Magic! We begin with Bink meeting up with one of Castle Roogna's magic-snfifers, which gets scared and runs away for no apparent reason. Bink is rather uneasy with this. Bink has decided to head to the castle orchards for a visit to a shoe tree. (Pun Count: 1) He picks a new pair of shoes, then heads on home. His home is a cattage cheese. (Pun Count: 2) It is now well-seasoned and solid enough to live in. As he comes in, however, Chameleon starts to yell at him. quote:"That you, Bink? About time! Where did you sneak off to, right when there's work to be done! You have no consideration at all, do you!" Does this count as a pun? Eh, sure, we'll take it. Pun Count: 3. quote:Still, he tried to be positive. He had only been married a year, and he loved Chameleon. He had known at the outset that there would be good times and bad times, and this was a bad time. A very bad time. "Why don't you come to the ball too, dear?" And then Bink is given the illusion of a centaur as his costume by Iris, who has set everyone to guessing the true identities of those they meet on their way to the ball. There is a prize for whoever gets the most. To make things more interesting, Iris has also put a hedge maze around the castle, which Bink is quite upset about. Trent lets Iris do whatever she likes in household matters like this. quote:Most of the hedge was illusion, but enough of it was anchored in reality to make it safest simply to honor the maze, rather than barging through. The Queen would have her fun, especially on this important First Anniversary of the King's coronation. She could get uglier than Chameleon when not humored. Bink runs into a zombie, then backs off because it's gross. He heads down a side path, and runs into a sword floating in air. He decides not to risk walking through it, though, just in case it's a real sword. He draws his own blade and attacks it, and it turns out to be solid. He tries to fight the invisible man holding it, but the man won't respond. He's now a very skilled swordsman, and he's much better than the sword - which has no wielder at all. It's a self-wielded sword. The sword attacks again, and Bink has no idea why it's attacking him. He tries to talk it down, but it doesn't listen. Instead, he gets it stuck in a gluebark tree. (I don't think that's a pun.) The sword gets stuck in the tree, and Bink leaves it. Then he runs into a walking cactus, which turns out to be Chester Centaur. He nearly chokes Bink before Bink can reveal who he is. They then chat about the ball. quote:"Oh, yes," Chester agreed, flexing his needles eloquently. "The mischief of Good Queen Iris, the bitch-Sorceress. Have you found a way into the palace yet?" Chester wants the prize - a free answer from Humfrey. Chester takes the sword from the gluebark tree by telling it about how he watered a similar tree during a drought. (By pissing on it.) The sword doesn't attack on its own after Chester takes it, and he keeps it. Chester decides he doesn't need the answer anyway. quote:"Since Cherie had the colt--mind you, he's a fine little centaur, bushy-tailed--she doesn't seem to have much time for me anymore. I'm like a fifth hoof around the stable. So what can I--?" They run into a male harpy, which gets into an argument with Chester. They two are about to fight when Bink realizes from the thing's speech that the harpy is the manticore he met at Humfrey's castle. quote:"Oh, yes. You broke his magic mirror. Fortunately he had another. Whatever became of you?" The manticore then talks to Chester about Herman and what a great guy he was, and they part without fighting. quote:There was no surer route to Chester's favor than praise of his hero-uncle, as perhaps the manticora knew. "No offense!" he said instantly. "Everything you said is true! My people exiled Herman because they thought magic in a centaur was obscene. Most of them still do. Even my own filly, as nice a piece of horseflesh as you'd care to--" He shook his cactus-head, becoming aware of the impropriety. "They are hoofheads." Chester ponders whether or not he has a magical talent, but realizes that Cherie would never let him have one. quote:Bink remembered the filly's prim attitude, and nodded. Cherie Centaur was one fine figure of a filly, and well able to handle the general magic of Xanth, but she could not abide it in any centaur. It reminded Bink of his own mother's attitude about sex in young humans. For animals it was natural, but when something like a wild-oats nymph was involved--well, Chester did have a problem. They get through the maze, though not before Bink is dumped in the moat and barely escapes its monsters. They then head inside, with the illusions fading as they get to the door. Crombie is one of the door guards, and informs them they're both out of the running for the prize - the leading contestant has twelve guesses right. Crombie decides to complain about being bored. quote:"I like it--but I like adventure better. The King's okay, but--" Crombie scowled. "Well, you know the Queen." They leave Crombie behind and find that Iris has made the ballroom appear to be an undersea grotto. quote:Chester glanced around. "She's a bitch, and she shows off, but I have to admit her magic is impressive. But I'm worried about the quantity of food; if there isn't enough--" Which turns out to be no problem. Iris is guarding the food with the aid of a picklepuss, which pickles anything that anyone takes, as no one can eat until the prize is awarded. (Pun Count: 4) Bink runs into his father, and they talk about how Chameleon is pregnat, and Bink realizes he's got very little to show for his life in the past year. Iris makes the place even prettier. quote:"If only her personality were as excellent as her taste," Roland murmured, referring to the Queen. Iris orders Crombie around, because she knowps he doesn't like it. Bianca, Bink's mother, is runner-up. quote:"She always did enjoy guessing games," Roland said with pride. "I think you inherit your intelligence as well as your looks from her." Crombie fetches her prize: a potted snapdragon. (Which is a living, plant-based dragon thing. Pun Count: 5.) Bianca quite likes it. quote:"It's beautiful," she said. "Thank you, Queen Iris." Then, diplomatically: "You're beautiful too--but not the same way." The winner turns out to be one of the ghosts, Milly. (Or perhaps Millie.) quote:The pretty, young-seeming ghost floated up. She was in her fashion both the youngest and the oldest of Castle Roogna's inhabitants. She had been in her teens when she died over eight hundred years before. When Bink first saw her she had been a formless blob of vapor, but since the occupancy of the castle by mortals she had shaped up until her outline was as firm and sightly as that of any living woman. She was a very sweet ghost, well liked by all, and there was applause at her victory. Millie's question has to be transcribed, since she's so quiet. She wants to know how she can live again. Humfrey sends his answer by magic mirror. First, she has to truly wish to become mortal. Second, she needs to get a "spell doctor" to restore her talent to maximum power. Iris has Crombie point to the nearest, because it annoys him. It turns out to be in the Gap. (Castle Roogna has a spot counterspell to the Gap's forgetness spell.) They teleport in the spell doctor, a crotchety old woman, who restores Millie's power. The final requirement is to immerse her skeleton in healing elixir. The problem is the skeleton - Millie can't tell where it is. Iris declares a new contest. quote:"This is better yet!" the Queen said. "We shall have a treasure hunt! In which closet is Millie's skeleton? A special prize to whoever finds it first!" She pondered fleetingly. "I'm out of regular prizes...I know! The first date with Millie the mortal!" Bink begins introspecting. quote:And what was wrong? Bink knew he had a good life, now, with a fine if variable wife and the favor of the King. Why did he dream of adventures in far places, of using the sword whose art he had been studying, of danger and even death, though he knew his talent would protect him from all genuine threats? What was the matter with him? It somehow seemed he had been happier when his future was in doubt--and that was ridiculous. Bink decides not to think abo ut it and get on with hunting for the skeleton. Pun Count: Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jul 27, 2013 |
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This was the first one in the series I ever read, on account of there was a griffin on the cover. In hindsight, I should have thrown the drat thing out the window. I forget, are there any female characters who aren't immediately evaluated by how hot they are or aren't? Or any with personalities other than "nagging shrew" or "dumb as a post"? What am I saying. Are there any characters with personalities? They all come off as flat cardboard cutouts working with the exact same pool of vocal tics and train of internal logic and Bink's one unique personality trait is that he allegedly gets bored with hot chicks. God, this is the Dominic Deegan of published literature.
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# ? Jul 26, 2013 21:33 |
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Holy poo poo. I thought I disliked Bink before. 'Yeah well, I knocked my wife up when she wasn't in any position to say 'no', and everything will be fine, because she'll be pretty, pliant and stupid again for the delivery...' And all of the other women are bitchy, or too prim, because they get in the way of boys being boys, keeping them from screwing the wild oats nymph and making it so they have to have mock(eries of) trials after their dicks convince them that their pretty neighbors are actually pussy-willows... I don't know why the hell he called it Xanth. This is Brodonia.
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 02:03 |
Are you not counting the wild oats nymph because it's not a new pun?
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 02:20 |
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Zereth posted:Are you not counting the wild oats nymph because it's not a new pun? Yeah. The repeated ones would otherwise drive me mad.
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 02:34 |
Well, that will lower the per-book pun count a bit, but fair enough!
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 02:36 |
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Has the Gap itself been mentioned as a pun yet? (It's a gap that no one remembers, A gap in your memory.)
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 04:21 |
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Zereth posted:Well, that will lower the per-book pun count a bit, but fair enough! This is true, and also it's a rule I will probably forget at some point. I have decided, instead, to go mad. (But no, no one has made any puns about the Gap yet, and unintended, wholly implied puns do not count.) Bink decides to go looking for Millie's bones. He decides they probably aren't in the walls - she must have died suddenly and in suspicious circumstances to leave a ghost, and rebuilding the walls wouldn't be tolerated. Still, the recent renovations suggest that there won't be any skeletons in closets, where everyone else is looking. (Pun Count: 7) Bink then concludes that, perhaps, the skeleton was transformedi nto something else, or perhaps ground up. Bink wanders over to the snack table, gives the picklepuss a cookie and is told by the spell doctor that his talent is ailing from lack of use. If he doesn't use it, she says, he will lose his power. Bink then goes to talk to Millie, who is very excited. quote:"Are you sure being mortal is worth it?" he asked. "Sometimes when a person achieves his dream, it sours." Was he really addressing her--or himself? Bink wanders over to Crombie, telling him he's starting to understand why Crombie hates women. quote:"Yes, I noticed her working you over," Crombie agreed. "She's had her secret eye on you for sometime. A man hardly has a chance when one of those vixens starts in on him." Crombie points the direction to the skeleton, and Bink resigns himselkf to having to find the bones now. He can't skip out after Millie begged him for it. quote:"Why don't you find the bones?" Bink demanded. "You could follow your finger and do it in an instant." Bink heads upstairs to the Royal Library, where he runs into Trent. quote:"Chameleon is difficult, and I am restless, and someone is trying to kill me, and Millie the ghost wishes to make love to me." Bink explains what's been happening, and Trent decides to let Chester keep the sword. He thinks that some kind of coincidental magic is targeting Bink - something like his own talent, yet not identical. quote:"From a zombie, or a sword, or moat-monsters, or a ghost," the King agreed. "There may be a pattern here." He paused, considering. "Yet how could a ghost--?" They decide against the plan. quote:"Still, you have provided me food for thought. Perhaps there is hope for me yet! Meanwhile, I certainly shall not have the Queen assume the likeness of my wife. Perhaps I shall only embarrass myself by trying and failing, but--" Bink finds being the king's confidante in all this quite awkward. Trent leaves to go find Iris and act on his decision immediately. (Bink feels that this is part of what makes him fit to rule.) Bink looks around, and decides that Millie's skeleton might have been turned into a book. He starts looking over the books, checking the ones about ghosts. Eventually, he finds one named The Skeleton in the Closet, which turns out to be made of rotting flesh. (Pun Count: 8. I am counting this one again, because seriously?) Bink takes the book downstairs, but runs into a zombie on the way, which he has to chase off. The illusions (and Queen) are gone now - they turned off when she left a few minutes ago. Chester takes the book from Bink, since it weighs as much as a corpse, and everyone starts to comment on why the skeleton is, well, a book. The spell doctor claims it is topology magic. quote:"I'm talking magic, young squirt," she retorted. "Take an object. Stretch it out. Squish it flat Fold it. You have changed its shape but not its nature. It remains topologically similar. This book is a person." Bink declares that the Queen is occupied and shouldn't be disturbed, largely so no one will hunt down Trent while he has sex, and Chester dumps the book into the healing water. quote:The dunked book shimmered. Millie the Ghost made an almost soundless shriek as she was drawn toward the bucket. Then the book inflated, absorbing elixir rapidly, opening and unfolding as its tissues filled out. The pages became human limbs and the heavy jacket a human head and torso, flattened horrendously but already bulging into doll-like features. Grotesquely it convulsed into a misshapen manikin figure, swelling and finning into the semblance of a woman. Millie the ghost, still trying to scream, floated into the mass, her outline merging with that of the forming body. Suddenly the two phased completely. She stood knee deep in the bucket, as lovely a nymph as could be desired, and an astonishing contrast to what they had just seen. "I'm whole!" she exclaimed in wonder. A zombie shows up with a rotting robe, and Crombie tries to chase it out. It gets near the cake and is pickled by the picklepuss, then falls on the cake, which also gets pickled. quote:The picklepuss broke free of its leash and bounded onto the refreshment table, pickling everything it passed. Women screamed again. It was one of the foolish, enchanting mannerisms they had. The man transforms the picklepuss into a deerfly - that is, a tiny, flying deer. (Pun Count: 9) Bink realizes that the two are the king and queen - as does everyone else. quote:But Queen Iris was already at the cake. "Pickled--with a zombie in it! Who did this thing?" In her outrage she let her illusion slip. She appeared before the crowd in her natural form, and revealed the King in his. Both were in dishabille. The zombie in the cake interrupts her, since pickliung didn't get rid of it. Trent decides not to transform it, and instead says that Millie will need another date - he has need of Bink. He teels Iris to make the substitute appear to be Bink. He then takes Bink aside and declares that he thinks, perhaps, that Bink's lack of recognized status is considered a threat to his welfare. quote:"But there is no danger--" Trent decides he will invite Chameleon to the castle and have Millie be her maid until they find somewhere else for her. He then sends Bink off on an expedition to find the source of Xanth's magic, in the hopes that it'll keep his talent from causing trouble. He decides to have Chester Centaur accompany him to visit Humfrey, so that he can talk about his talent without Cherie realizing. He also decides to send Crombie, transformed into the shape of a griffin so that he can keep up. (He will also be unable to talk, so, you know, benefit for us readers.) Bink is quite pleased with all this. He is to leave tomorrow, and to tell Chameleon tonight, not mentioning Millie at all. Pun Count: 9 as of the end of Chapter 2. Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jul 27, 2013 |
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Hahaha yes he is, of course, ~honor-bound~ to pursue the date with the underaged dead girl instead of grabbing a lonely-looking fellow by the shoulder and pointing him off in the right direction. Bink you are literally the worst husband. And after Millie's intro described her as a teenager, too. Jesus, Piers. I think she gets her own prequel book at some point.
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 13:57 |
Actually that prequel is the very next book!
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 14:25 |
Alopex posted:Hahaha yes he is, of course, ~honor-bound~ to pursue the date with the underaged dead girl instead of grabbing a lonely-looking fellow by the shoulder and pointing him off in the right direction. Bink you are literally the worst husband.
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 18:16 |
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If there aren't logical pretzels somewhere in this series, I'm going to be deeply disappointed.
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 18:54 |
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Chapter 3!quote:In the morning they commenced the mission: three males with woman-problems. All professed to be glad to get away from their situations and into adventure. Crombie especially liked his new form; he spread his wings frequently and took little practice flights. The three set out for Humfrey, but that means going through the wilderness. Their first problem is a group of hell's bells, a plant that rings deafeningly. (Pun Count: 10) They manage to get past the bells without much trouble, but now they are more wary. They stop by a soda tree in some sugar sand (Pun Count: 11) for food, and then at a breadfruit tree (Pun Count: 12). At which point a dragon shows up. quote:Both Crombie and Chester had fighting hearts. But Bink ultimately depended on his secret talent. The trouble was, that protection did not necessarily extend to his two friends. Only by joining the fray directly could Bink hope to help them, for then his talent might have to save them all to save him. He felt guilty about this, knowing that his courage was false; they could die while he was charmed. Yet he could not even tell them about this. There was a lot of this kind of magic in Xanth; it was as if magic liked to clothe itself in superfluous mystery, by that means enhancing itself in the manner of a pretty woman. The dragon tries to set them aflame, while Chester gets his bow out. Crombie closes with the dragon, and while smaller, he is much faster. Bink also charges in, ignoring Chester's warning. Chester wants to shoot it in the mouth, as it has armor all over, but that's going to be dangerous. Crombie attacks again, and between the three, they manage to annoy the critter. Bink distracts it, and the dragon focuses on him until Crombie tackles it, shutting its mouth on its own fire. The dragon is rather mad about that, going after the griffin. They decide they have to escape now, and end up running. Chester thinks Bink was very brave, though Bink feels he's still a coward depending on his talent. They head into a crevice, but the drgon follows. However, the crevice is full of nickelpedes (Pun Count: 13). They are trapped, but the dragon wants no part of those creatures. So many nickelpedes are practically impossible to defeat, and they set on both the dragon and the party. The only thing keeping them safe is the sunlight, as nickelpedes hate light. Bink realizes they have to team up with the dragon - if they can protect it, its fire can scare off the nickelpedes. He tries to explain this to the dragon, which doesn't even respond. Bink shows that he can kill one nickelpede at a time and keep the dragon's feet safe, but the dragon just keeps staring. Bink decides to just assume it agrees. They begin to help the dragon, and the dragon blasts out fire ahead of them, burning away nickelpedes. However, when they try to get the dragon to back out, they realize it can't. Dragon legs can't go backwards. That's why the dragon hadn't given him any response. Which means they have to keep going inwards. Chester wants to escape via the dragon's back, but Bink refuses to leave it, since he feels that'd violate the spirit of the truce. Chester points out that they won't be attacking it, just leaving it to die. Bink refuses to go anyway. quote:Chester shook his head. "You're not only the bravest man I've seen, you're the man-headedest." Chester accepts this, and they tell the dragon to go forward. quote:"Maybe the moon isn't made of green cheese," Chester murmured. It was sarcasm, but it reminded Bink poignantly of the time in his childhood when there had been what the centaurs called an eclipse: the sun had banged into the moon and knocked a big chunk out of it, and a great wad of the cheese had fallen to the ground. The whole North Village had gorged on it before it spoiled. Green cheese was the best--but it only grew well in the sky. The best pies were in the sky, too. (Pun Count: 14) They head forward, but the dragon's flame is weakening. Crombie can't point out the safest route, either, for some reason. Chester and Crombie nearly get in a fight over this, and they soon become trapped in a shadowy passage. Bink keeps trying to steer them on, beginning to doubt his talent. He decides the solution is semantics. quote:Maybe he could use Crombie's talent to find out "Crombie," he called around the dragon's body. "Where is something that will get us out of here?" The dragon rushes on, and then Bink spots a will-o-wisp. The dragon has run out of fire, but Bink tells it to follow the wisp. It does, and the thing leads them out of the maze, in the ashes of an old fire. They are finally out. Bink asks the dragon to leave them in peace, and it agrees. He has Crombie point out some prey for it, and Bink explains to Chester that he doesn't want to fight here, at the grave of Herman the Hermit. (Pun Count: 15) We get a brief recap of what Herman did here, and Chester is quite happy. There seems to be some flute music for a moment, and then Bink nearly trips over some dirt as the chapter ends. Dirt piles keep appearing for no reason. Pun Count: 15 as of the end of Chapter 3. Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jul 27, 2013 |
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I'd forgotten that the endless puns and the "honor" bullshit became so prominent this quickly. I guess I just assumed a Spell for Chamelion was so bad that he wouldn't be able to get so much worse so suddenly.
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 23:01 |
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Zereth posted:Look, he halfheartedly mentioned doing a thing. Therefore he GAVE HIS WORD, don't you understand? Unlike when he exchanged marriage vows, of course! Though in Xanth there probably is an honor bound adultery clause exception.
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# ? Jul 27, 2013 23:58 |
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Chapter 4 starts with Bink and company arriivng at Humfrey's castle. This time, there is no hippocampus or manticore - just tons and tons of weird, snakelike loops in the water, with no apparent heads or tails. They try to get Humfrey to come out to meet them by shotuing, but it doesn't work. Chester and Crombie almost get in another fight, and we get a brief discussion of triangulation.quote:Triangulate? Bink, accustomed to his friend's surly manner, had forgotten how educated centaurs were. Triangulation was a magical means of locating something without going there directly. Chester had a good mind and a lot of background information, when he cared to let it show. They can't get in easily, so Bink decides he'll just go through the rigmarole of making his way inside the hard way, leaving the other two to watch outside. Chester realizes the creature in the moat is an ouroboros, a massive sea dragon that clutches its own tail in its teeth. It's big enough to wrap around the moat several times. quote:"Yes they can," Chester said wisely. "The ouroboros loops entirely around the castle--" Bink gets on the serpent's back and starts walking. quote:But when a convenient loop offered, Bink jumped across to it, windmilling his arms in the fashion of a mill-tree to regain his balance. The segment of monster sank somewhat beneath his weight, then stabilized pneumatically. Though glistening with moisture, the white skin was not slippery. Good; maybe this walk was possible after all! I'm going to say mill-tree is probably a pun. (Pun Count: 16) Bink manages to cross on the monster's back by just walking around it, though he has to walk on its head briefly. He then finds the next challenge - a waterfall in place of a door. Bink looks beyond, but the door won't open. Still, he reasons, the water has to get up there somehow from the moat. He can't go through a drain but he might fit down the pipe from the top. So he climbs up the waterfall, finding a gargoyle spouting water. He isn't sure how to move it, but figures if he gets it mad, he might be able to get in through it. He insults it, getting it to try and spray him with water, and forcing it to open its mouth wide enough to cut off the pressure nad allow him to fit through. He swims through the gargoyle's mouth and into a reservoir tank of water. There, he runs into a cactus cat - shockingly, not a pun, but a weirdass piece of American southwestern folklore. However, this one is also practically a cactus itself, so we're counting that as a pun. (Pun Count: 17) Bink realizes he can't get past it easily. He tries to shout it away, but it ignores him. So he splashes at it with water. The cat hates this. It can't attack him without going in the water, though. Bink threatens it into letting him pass safely. Thus, he finally enters Humfrey's castle, now very annoyed. Humfrey reveals that he's been aware of everything they're doing, but wanted to make them go through the gauntlet because what they want will cost him a lot of time and threaten Xanth's welfare. He tells Bink to forget the mission, but Bink refuses. quote:"Leave the poor--" Bink started indignantly. Then he laughed. "You're some character, Magician! Now stop teasing me and tell me why, since you obviously have been well aware of my progress, you did not let us into the castle the easy way." Humfrey says that Bink's quest threatens to end Xanth, somehow. quote:Bink thought of giving up the quest and returning to Chameleon, ugly and sharp of tongue as she was at the moment, with Millie the nonghost hovering near. Suddenly he became much more interested in the source of the magic of Xanth. "Thanks for your advice. I'm going on." Humfrey says he refuses to waive the fee, since Bink is just being sent on this quest to keep him out of trouble. Bink argues that that is just convenient timing, but he's still on King's business and therefore should get it free. quote:Humfrey shook his head. "Trent has become arrogant in his power. He draws ruthlessly on the talents of others to forward his purposes." Then he smiled. Humfrey reveals that the quest will fail unless he personally comes along. quote:"I told you this was going to cost me time!" Humfrey grumbled. "All my arcane researches interrupted, my castle mothballed--because you can't wait a few days for your wife to finish her pregnancy and get sweet and pretty again." He tells Bink that Bink will remain leader, however, and Humfrey will only use his resources when truly needed. He asks Humfrey who's trying to kill him, but Humfrey refuses to answer unless he pays the fee, since that's not King's business. Bink decides not to ask after all. He goes downstairs and gets a troll to open the drawbridge to let the others in. quote:"I knew you'd come through, Bink!" the centaur said. "What did the old gnome say about your quest?" Crombie, of course, gets no pay because he's a soldier on a mission. However, Humfrey provides him a way to talk: Grundy the Golem, who is made of string, clay and wood. Grundy's talent is translation, and he'll translate for Crombie. He can understand human speech, so it only has to be one way. Plus, the golem is tiny, so Crombie can easily carry him as well as Humfrey. And so the chapter ends. Pun Count: Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 29, 2013 |
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I remember Grundy! In one of the later books he plays Lines & Boxes (or whatever Xanth calls it). In sixth grade, a friend and I seized on to that and spent a few weeks going Lines & Boxes crazy. We kept playing games with ever-larger grids. We escalated to graph paper at one point.
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# ? Jul 29, 2013 02:28 |
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I'm trying to shake a feeling that Grundy the golem is some play on DC's Solomon Grundy, who bears a passing resemblance to Mary Shelley's prototypical flesh golem.
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# ? Jul 29, 2013 04:53 |
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Bieeardo posted:I'm trying to shake a feeling that Grundy the golem is some play on DC's Solomon Grundy, who bears a passing resemblance to Mary Shelley's prototypical flesh golem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprague%E2%80%93Grundy_theorem Pretty sure it's a game theory pun (as well as? instead of?).
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# ? Jul 29, 2013 05:06 |
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Alaemon posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprague%E2%80%93Grundy_theorem This makes perfect sense, since Grundy later uses the Prisoner's Dilemma to beat a bad guy. (mild spoilers, not sure which book)
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# ? Jul 29, 2013 06:25 |
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Oh, neat. This thread has made me indignant, disgusted, and now educated!
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# ? Jul 29, 2013 09:37 |
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Chapter 5 starts us off with Humfrey pulling a bottle out and releasing an immense moth, which drops a ball on his castle and puts it in a protective netting. (Pun Count: 19) Crombie finds he can't just point out the source of magic for some reason, but he can point out where the most direct route is: down. They find that the nearest surface access is south, so they start heading that way - towards the heart of the wilderness. Crombie and Chester nearly get in another fight, egged on by Grundy, who is translating Crombie's words in the most insulting way possible.quote:"Actually he called you an rear end," Grundy said helpfully. "I assume he meant your rear end, which is about as asinine as--" (Pun Count: 20.) Humfrey tells everyone to ignore Humgrey because he has no personal reality and therefore getting mad at him is like getting mad at a rock. Bink gets Crombie to point out where the enemy is, but it's in the same direction as the source of magic. Bink decides he's even more determined than before. They are attacked by "sweat gnats" but Humfrey releases Misty, a cloud of smoke that eats them. (Pun Count: 21) They then wander into a patch of curse-burrs. quote:The things were all over their legs, itching incessantly. There was only one way to get rid of such a burr; it had to be banished by a curse. The problem was, no particular curse could be used twice in a day; each had to be different. Everyone gets hungry, but only Humfrey packed food, and he won't share it. Crombie hunts down a fruit cup - that is, a plant shaped like a bowl, full of fruit. (Pun Count: 21) Specifically, winged fruits. They have to catch the fruit as best they can. quote:Soon he had a small collection of fruits: apple, peach, plum, two pears (of course), several grapes, and one banana. The last, flying on monstrous vulture-like wing-leaves, had given him a terrible struggle, but it was delicious. Bink did not feel entirely easy out consuming such fruit, because it seemed too much like living creatures, but he knew the wings were merely a magic adaptation to enable the plants to spread their seeds more widely. Fruit was supposed to lie eaten; it wasn't really conscious or feeling. Or was it, Bink put that thought from his mind and looked about. They were on the verge of a forest of standing deadwood. Humfrey came awake. "I suffer misgivings," he volunteered. "I don't want to have to waste my magic ferreting out what killed those trees. We'd better go around." (Pun Count: 22) They decide to camp for the night after going around the deadwood, but Bink wonders why all the other trees nearby are so big. He then asks Grundy what his question to Humfrey was. Grundy is surprised he cares. quote:"Of course I do," Bink said. "You're a--" He had been about to say "person" but remembered that the golem was technically not a person. "An entity," he finished somewhat lamely. "You have consciousness, feelings--" It turns out Grundy wants to be a real, human-ish person. Humfrey told him that the way to do that was to care. quote:"That's all?" Humfrey suggests that maybe he asked the wrong question. Chester thinks it's a perfectly good answer. He doesn't understand the answer, but he's sure that it must be relevant, since it's unlikely Humfrey would fail to deliver. Eventually, they spot a house with a gigantic door. Humfrey says a giant or ogre lives there, but Crombie insists it's safe. Humfrey summons the deamn Beauregard to check if it's safe. The demon informs him that the ogre is a vegetarian, and also that they should stop their mission. Humfrey banishes the demon again. Bink wonders how Humfrey keeps it in the bottle, and Humfrey says that Beauregard's still paying him off. (He's been there more than a year, but it was a very complex question.) Thgey find that the house is made of unrusted ironwood (Pun Count: 23) and that it is held together by killer vines. The ogre inside speaks in grunts, which Grundy translates entirely in rhymes. They eventually go inside to find a kettle and a distinct lack of bones. The Ogre's name turns out to be Crunch, and he provides them with food. quote:Chester sniffed his serving appreciatively. "Why this is purple bouillon with green nutwood--a phenomenal delicacy! But it requires a magic process to extract the bouillon juice, and only a nutty green elf can procure nutwood. How did you come by this?" (Pun Count: 25. Or possibly as many as 27; I don't think the bouillon is a pun, and I have no idea what pelf is.) Anyway, the food turns out to be great. They decide they have to pay him for his hospitality, but Crunch insists he doesn't need it. Bink insists they have to pay him anyway, on principle. Crombie points out where something Crunch wants is, but it turns out to be Humfrey. Crunch insists he has no question and doesn't want anything. Bink is certain, however, that they have to locate what Crunch wants even if he doesn't know he wants it. Humfrey, however, has no interest in helping and goes to sleep. Grundy climbs into Humfrey's jacket and releases Beauregard, but with no protective magic. Beauregard explains that he wasn't really imprisoned anyway - he just agreed to stay imprisoned until someone else freed him - as he was now. So now he can leave. He explains that Crunch really doesn't want anything - he just wants to sleep. Tehcnically, Beauregard says, Crush also wants to know if he should take a wife, but Crunch is pretty sure he doesn't. Beauregard tells Bink that he and Chester must answer Crunch, since Crunch won't accept a demon's advice. quote:You and Chester and Crombie should discuss your relations with your respective females, and the consensus will provide the ogre with the perspective he needs." He considered. "In fact, in that context, my own comment might become relevant." And he settled down on the straw with them. The rest of the party then decides Humfrey had a good idea, and they too go to sleep. Pun Count: 25ish by the end of Chapter 5.
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# ? Jul 29, 2013 22:17 |
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Man, was I stupid as a
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 00:43 |
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Near as I can figure, all women exist to do is to motivate or demotivate men. Which I guess makes Iris the actual best but Xanthian worst female character?
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 03:06 |
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And thus we enter full tilt into another Xanth staple: a magical obstacle which can only be defeated by flinging insults at it. He does this once or twice per book at the very least. It gets kind of weird.
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We begin Chapter 6 with thje party leaving Crunch as he heads off to go find his wife. They know now that the dead trees are caused by the fiends of the lake and their powerful curses. Humfrey didn't know about that, and that bothers him. They head onwards, finding some fruit flies - literal flying fruit (Pun Count: 26). They then find a mess of potent stinkweed, which smells horrible, which guards the only path past a pride of ant lions (Pun Count: 27). Bink tries to clear a path, but it doesn't work very well. There's far too many ant lions to fight, but Bink spots a path in the air. He decides that's the best route, and they find a place to get up on the highway (Pun Count: 28). The path seems extremely safe, and Bink is worried about where it might lead. Humfrey assures him there's no problem, if grumpily. He doesn't plan to use his magic until it really gets needed, of course. They spot a village below, and are met by an old harpy, though she's clean rather than filthy. (Still ugly, though.) She welcomes them, without any insults.quote:"Uh, thanks," Bink said. "We're looking for--a place to spend the night. We don't mean any mischief." He had never heard of a harpy acting polite, so remained on guard, hand over sword. (Pun Count: 29) quote:She rapped the table with a hooflike knuckle. The firefly jumped up, startled, and generated its momentary fire. A burst of light and heat emanated from it, and a ball of smoke roiled up toward the ceiling. A spot on the table a handsbreadth in diameter was charred. The firefly itself had disappeared. "It burned itself up!" Chester exclaimed. "It did not mean to," Trolla said. "This was a normal Xanth firefly, not acclimatized to this region. Here near the source its magic is multiplied a hundredfold. Thus its little spark became a self-immolating fireball. Until you males become acclimatized, I urge you not to practice your magic in this village. We value your presence, and do not wish you to suffer any mishaps." Bink promises that they'll kill the tree, but Trolla thinks the siren won't let him. Bink's confident in his talent, however. Crombie, meanwhile, asks about what the village actually does. quote:"We are situated atop the source-lode of magic," Trolla said. "This is the origin of the magic of Xanth. The dust is highly charged with magic, and were it allowed to accumulate, most of the rest of Xanth would slowly become mundane, while the village would develop a fatal concentration. Thus we must spread the dust about, maintaining a reasonable equilibrium." She looked about. "We seem to have completed our repast. Allow me to show you our operations." This is the source of things like the magic hail of the first book. quote:"Exactly," Trolla agreed. "We try to feed the dust high into the sky so that it will ride the upper currents all over Xanth before it falls, but localized storms bring it down prematurely. The region immediately downwind of us is untenable for intelligent life; the concentration of airborne dust disrupts the local ecology and leads to madness. Thus there are risks associated with our operation--but we must continue. We should be pleased if you males would remain here, encouraging our females--but we know you must flee before the siren calls. Unfortunately our access route is one-way; we have been too busy recently to construct a departure ramp. You can escape only through the Region of Madness. Yet this is preferable to the siren. We shall help you all we can, but--" When she leaves, Bink asks Humfrey what's going on, but he doesn't want to help. He finally relents, however, pulling out a magic mirror. With the stronger magic, he can ask it more direct questions. It turns out the source is underground, so it can't be the village they're in, but the mirror seems to think it might still be the village. Chester points out that the source has multiple definitions, and the dust could be seen as the source. However, the dust comes from somewhere else. Humfrey then learns that Trolla has not lied at all to them. It says they can find the solution to the village's problem, but they're interrupted before he can find what it is. Trolla leads them to a [arty. quote:Well, they had gleaned a lot already, and could resume the use of the mirror when convenient "That's a pretty dress," Bink said to Trolla. This was no lie; the dress was very pretty, though she remained a female troll. Evidently a festive occasion was in the making. They followed her out. They head past the tangle tree, which is immense and generates pleasant music. They head past it. quote:The path passed right under it, where the curtain of tentacles parted neatly and the soft sward grew. But elsewhere around the fringe was a developing cone of bleaching bones, the remainders of the tree's past victims. Shapely female bones, Bink suspected, and felt another twinge of guilt. Crombie thus starts the tree fighting. Bink tries to get Crombie to get out of the way, bue he won't. Chester begins fighting the tentacles as they attack, and Bink draws his sword to fight. Chester gets caught. quote:Bink leaped to help his friend. But a tentacle caught his ankle, tripping him. All he could do was yell: "Kick, Chester, kick!" Then he was buried in tentacles, as firm and rounded and pneumatic as the limbs of the village girls, but not nearly as nice. His sword arm was immobilized; all he could do was bite, ineffectively. That green goo tasted awful! He tries to kick the tree down, but it doesn't work. He manages to get free, barely, and goes to help Bink with his won sword. Humfrey is caught as well, though Crombie's free. quote:Crombie had clawed and bit his way to the fringe. Suddenly he broke out. "I'm free, you vegetable monster!" he squawked exultantly. "I'll bet you're another female, too!" He was really uncorking his worst insult! The golem had gotten aboard again, so was available for instant translation. "You can't catch me!" Humfrey accidentally uncorks a spiced cheesecake instead of something helpful, though the spice is strong enough to choke the tree. It is a literal processed cheese cake, by the way. (Pun Count: 30) Bink nearly gets eaten, but Humfrey gets a vial out - a vampire bat. It is terrified and gets taken down. He gets out a third: a basilisk, which the tree draws away from. The creature heads into the tangler's mouth...and does nothing. It's just a mock basilisk, with no real power. Humfrey's still looking for the right vial. That's when the women show up with torches, to burn the tree at Crombie's direction. quote:The ladies went to it with a will. There were about fifty of them, ringing the tree, pushing in with their fires, scorching back every tentacle that attacked. They could have conquered the tree anytime, instead of letting it balk them all these years--had they had the masculine drive and command. Ironic that Crombie the woman-hater should be the organizing catalyst! And then they get caught by the siren's song again, unnoticed by the still-fighting women. Pun Count: 30ish by the end of Chapter 6.
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 16:17 |
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I don't know which is the better tagline, "Was this predaceous female looking for another husband?" or "All women are traps! Death to them all!"
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 16:28 |
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It takes serious effort to write something in which "We are, after all, only females" is a candidate for the least terrible line.
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 17:07 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:It takes serious effort to write something in which "We are, after all, only females" is a candidate for the least terrible line.
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 17:41 |
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I keep remembering that he wrote a book titled 'Isle of Woman'. Yeah, another pun. I also keep thinking, 'You know? After all the poo poo that's come to light in this thread, that book has got to be even more horrifying than I imagined.' Also, hephalumphs.
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 18:01 |
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Isle of Woman was actually a reference to some anthropological or evolutionary theory or something as well. I don't really remember the details but I think it is more weird than Basically it follows the story of the "same" two people through various important parts of history. Starting with super early hunter gatherers and up to the post-apocalypse. I'm pretty sure there is plenty of creepy Anthony sex, but I can't remember it at least.
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Hephalumphs aren't a pun, they're just a reference to far better, classier books. Chapter 7 picks up right where 6 left off. quote:The sound of the battle faded behind. The males, Crombie included, moved on down the path, lured by the siren's song. The unearthly quality was stronger now, thrilling Bink's inner fiber. He knew the siren meant death, more certainly than the tangle tree--but what a satisfying death it would be! The party sets out over a path across a lake, and even Crombie cannot resist, now that he's seen the women of the village fighting and can no longer call up sufficient hatred of women. The path is made of solid water, but they can walk on it. They are briefly attacked by a battering ram (Pun Count: 31), a relative of the hydraulic ram (Pun Count: 32). They like to beat their heads into things. Chester dodges it a few times, but then sends the creature ramming headfirst into a pineapple tree. The pineapples fall...and explode. (Pun Count: 33) This easily drives off the ram. Chester, meanwhile, dodges the pineapples as best he can, though one catches him on the chin and dazes him, leaving him deafened. Chester is now immune to the siren's call, though the others are not. Chester follows them in an attempt to stop them, but it's no use. Instead, he draws his bow and shoots the siren, who is visible in the distance. They run to the island after the siren screams in pain. quote:There lay the siren--the loveliest mermaid Bink had ever seen, with hair like flowing sunshine and tail like flowing water. The cruel arrow had passed entirely through her torso, between and slightly below her spectacular bare breasts, and she was bleeding from front and back. Her torso had collapsed across her dulcimer. She falls unconscious, and Humfrey checks with the mirror - she's telling the truth. She just lured men here, but meant them no harm. Humfrey pulls out healing elixir and instantly heals the siren. Chester refuses healing of his ears, but accepts it for his butt. The siren is quite pleased, but Chester kicks away her dulcimer before she can use its magic again. quote:Experimentally, the siren sang. Her upper torso expanded marvelously as she took her breath, and her voice was excellent--but now there was no compulsion in it The centaur had, indeed, deprived her of her devastating magic. It turns out the gorgon's gaze only affects men, turning them to stone. Humfrey decides they have to go talk to the gorgon. quote:"The path continues to her island," the siren informed him. "What will I do, without my dulcimer?" Humfrey suggests they make camp. quote:"We shall have to deal with her in the morning," Humfrey decided. Bink had lost track of time. The stars had been emerging at the village, then they had charged into the night of the jungle to battle the tangle tree, thence to this island--where it seemed dusk was only now falling. Did that make sense? Bink had somehow assumed that the sun set all over Xanth at the same instant, but realized that this was not necessarily so. But he had other things to worry about at the moment, and listened to the rest of Humfrey's speech: "Siren, if you have food and bed--" They feed on fish and sea cucumber (Pun Count: 32) and Bink finds another dirtpile. He realizes he has to pay for the hospitality, though, because...he does that. quote:The siren, having given up on the centaur, nestled down in the dark beside Bink. "Say," he said, remembering. "We have to give service for hospitality!" And that's the last we hear about service for the Siren. When they wake, Humfrey orders them all to wear blindfolds. He'll use the mirror. Humfrey explains that mirrors work to see gorgons because of polarization, 'the magic of partial images.' Humfrey starts to talk to the gorgon. quote:Right behind Bink, she answered. "I am she. Welcome to my isle." Her voice was dulcet; she sounded even more attractive than her sister. "Why do you not look at me?" The gorgon ahjtes this idea. quote:"But in Mundania you would be an ordinary girl, under no curse. You are extremely lovely, and your personality is sweet. You could have your pick of men there." Humfrey solves the problem somehow, tleling the others to take off their blindfolds. He hasn't harmed the gorgon, but has rendered her face invisible. quote:Bink observed, as did the others. Before them stood a breathtakingly lovely young woman with hair formed of many small thin snakes. But her face was--absent. There simply wasn't anything there. Crombie's rather upset with this result. quote:"Look at the damage the bitch has done! She must have petrified hundreds of innocent males. What good is it to nullify her now? It is like closing the house door after the man has escaped." He was evidently thinking more like a griffin, now. That was a danger of prolonged transformation. It turns out to be the in the same place as the source of magic. Humfrey calls up Iris on his mirror. Se berates him for dawdling, and he tells her that they've negated the threat of the siren and gorgon, and are now heading to the source. quote:Crombie squawked angrily. "Don't translate that!" Humfrey snapped at the golem. Then, to the Sorceress: "It is Bink's quest, not mine. We have nullified siren and gorgon, and are proceeding toward the source of magic. Notify the King." The gorgon kisses Humfrey and tell him to hurry back, and then they start swimming away. The tangle tree has been burned to a crisp, but the village is now mourning their apparent deaths. quote:How suddenly that changed, as those males marched in! "You survived!" Trolla cried, tears of untrollish joy streaming down her horrible face. "We tried to follow you, but could not hear the siren and could not trace the path in the dark. In the morning we knew it was too late, and we had wounded to attend to--" However, their route leads directly into the Region of Madness. Trolla offers to stop sending up dust, in order to weaken the Region, but that'll take some time. Bink decides that they can't wait, because...well, because "Bink feared that a few days' relaxation in this village of eager females would be as ruinous as continued dalliance with the siren and gorgon." Trolla decides that all men are half mad. quote:"Yes," Bink agreed with a wry smile. "We are males." Neither sex understood the other; that was yet another aspect of the magic of Xanth. He rather liked this tame female troll; apparently almost any monster could be worthwhile once it was possible to know it personally. The find giant pincushions that try to stab people with living stalagmites, as well as oil from tanker trees. They find rusty ironwood and literal ash trees (Pun Count: 33) as they move on, and also bull spruces (Pun Count: 34) and caterpillar nettles (Pun Count: 35) as well as "vomit-fungus." They are guided through the area, with bugs all around them. Lightning bugs (Pun Count: 35), soldier beetles (36), ladybugs and damselflies (38), tiger beetles and stag beetles (40) and more. Humfrey is loving this, pointing out feather-winged beetles (41), owl-flies (42) and net-wings (43) as well as a picture-winged fly (44) with crayon-drawn wings. This is a new species, and Humfrey loves it. Then some robber flies show up, having tried to steal his sword (Pun Count: 45) and Chester almost steps on a blister beetle (46). They dodge past a snake-fly (Pun Count: 47) and a stink bug (48) as well as some deerflies, tree hppers and tiger moths, and a literal butter fly. (Pun Count: 50) Also, a midas fly, which turns things to gold (51). Humfrey orders them to dodge it so they don't get turned to gold, but it transforms their guide as she shoves Crombie out of the way. This means they must continue on - her cure is in the same place as that of the gorgon's victims. And it means going through the madness without a guide. They spot a literally walking stick (Pun Count: 52) and use Crombie to try and point their way. quote:Crombie looked back twice, not squawking; he seemed to be having serious private thoughts. For him, the woman-hater, the female's sacrifice had to be an awful enigma, of more significance than his own near-miss with the golden doom. As a soldier he was used to danger, but not to self-sacrifice. They find some bedbugs and cockroachs (Pun Count: 54) as well as swallowtails and sawflies (Pun Count: 56) and a rhinocerous beetle attacking some houseflies (58). Also, carpenter ants (59). Humfrey's too busy being distracted by the bugs, which now involve a hired assassin beetle (60). Bink sets about trying to find shelter, finding an ancient skeleton that they can camp in while Humfrey's busy bugwatching. Pun Count: Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jul 30, 2013 |
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So many options! "Yet what was the gorgon except the literal personification of the promise and threat embodied in every woman?" or "Yet wasn't this too typical of the thought processes of females? What one among them chose to recognize the mischief her sex worked among men!" are both tempting candidates, but "The cruel arrow had passed entirely through her torso, between and slightly below her spectacular bare breasts, and she was bleeding from front and back... She tilted her beautiful face weakly to look up at Chester. 'Why did you shoot me, handsome male?' she whispered" has got to take the cake.
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 21:32 |
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Your pun count seems to hit 48 and then get reset to 40 for some reason there.
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 22:06 |
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Sindai posted:Your pun count seems to hit 48 and then get reset to 40 for some reason there. Fixed. The rapidfire barrage of insect puns kind of shut down my ability to notice things. Which, yes, means that this chapter literally doubled the number of puns from the last one.
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 22:10 |
I think the Milkweed qualifies as a pun too. EDIT: Unless I missed it being counted earlier.
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# ? Jul 30, 2013 23:40 |
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Zereth posted:I think the Milkweed qualifies as a pun too. No, I just missed that one.
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# ? Jun 12, 2024 01:49 |
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Piers Anthony on mid-nineties anthropology is not a pleasant thought. And I called out the heffalumps because I was annoyed with him lifting 'em, not because I thought they were a missed pun. Sorry!
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