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so if we take the people who say the a-10's airframe is worn out and we HAVE to retire them soon at face value, say we wanted to replace them with more a-10s instead of the lovely f35, is it possible to make more of them? or would it be a giant pain in the rear end to remake the tools and dies and whatever the gently caress i dont know what im saying factory stuff to do it? im sure at least the blueprints are still around. and certainly they still make parts for the ones in the field right?
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The A-10 is a really old design by now, so simply cloning the blueprints would honestly be a waste. On the other hand, letting it be redesigned as an entirely new plane with modern technology and tools taken into account would probably lead to a similar monstrosity to the F-35, unless it gets strangled in the cradle.
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Damo posted:so if we take the people who say the a-10's airframe is worn out and we HAVE to retire them soon at face value, say we wanted to replace them with more a-10s instead of the lovely f35, is it possible to make more of them? or would it be a giant pain in the rear end to remake the tools and dies and whatever the gently caress i dont know what im saying factory stuff to do it? im sure at least the blueprints are still around. and certainly they still make parts for the ones in the field right? I'm sure the jigs are probably gone now. Fairchild doesn't even exist as a company anymore and I'm not sure who owns the type cert on it. By the way I don't know too much about the F-35 program specifically (except that it's a huge loving boondoggle) but I do know an insane amount about aviation and I hope the OP doesn't ever post about it again. Julius CSAR fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Jan 16, 2015 07:07
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Shadeoses posted:The A-10 is a really old design by now, so simply cloning the blueprints would honestly be a waste. Holy poo poo stop posting. You are loving dumb as hell. Also every EVERY military procurement plan has gone over budget except black programs (which most erroneously believe are the worst offenders) and the F-15, which only came out under budget because of utilizing the same process as a black program. If you want look up the book Air Superiority Blue an excellent read on military procurement and aircraft design.
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Jan 16, 2015 07:10
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David Copperfield posted:Is the Osprey still a deathtrap or just was one for decades? (Ignoring that it's taking you to places with Marines) It's because the gov was gonna cut the program but it was so far along the Air Force stepped in and said "poo poo's ours now, don't touch." And flight test was done like a year later. The problem wasn't the aircraft, the problem was that the USMC has terrible mx practices. If the USAF really wants to save money they get rid of my baby, the B-1. 30 man hours of mx per 1 hour of flight time is pretty bad. Love that jet but it's a mx disaster, though it's electrical multiplexing makes it good for wire mx at least. Per the F-14 earlier, once the A+/B models came out with the bigger engine it was fine, still mx intensive but it's a carrier bird so that's mainly the environment. The Iranians had a great waxing Mig-23's and Mirage F-1's with it. Ok I'm done posting. Julius CSAR fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Jan 16, 2015 07:14
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'All military planes go over budget' is a better argument for not wasting so much money on them than it is for defending the f-35
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Splode posted:'All military planes go over budget' is a better argument for not wasting so much money on them than it is for defending the f-35 I didn't say planes, I said all military procurements for anything, ever. Also I didn't defend the F-35 I actually said "boondoggle"
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Crow_Rodeo posted:It's because the gov was gonna cut the program but it was so far along the Air Force stepped in and said "poo poo's ours now, don't touch." And flight test was done like a year later. The problem wasn't the aircraft, the problem was that the USMC has terrible mx practices. Ever since they took the nukes away from the Bone is aint had a mission. Cool rear end plane that serves literally no purpose other than looking bad rear end as gently caress
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Jan 16, 2015 07:33
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Crow_Rodeo posted:Holy poo poo stop posting. You are loving dumb as hell. Also every EVERY military procurement plan has gone over budget except black programs (which most erroneously believe are the worst offenders) and the F-15, which only came out under budget because of utilizing the same process as a black program. If you want look up the book Air Superiority Blue an excellent read on military procurement and aircraft design. 
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Crow_Rodeo posted:I didn't say planes, I said all military procurements for anything, ever. Also I didn't defend the F-35 I actually said "boondoggle" So you're not really making a point, you're just yelling at the OP for not being as big a milsperg as you?
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its ok i liked your op and we can keep making fun of the f35 lightning 2 itt
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I'm going to go cry in my enormous swimming pool full of million dollar notes (I am the humanoid form of LockMart)
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The F-35 is actually really good.
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Crow_Rodeo posted:I didn't say planes, I said all military procurements for anything, ever. Also I didn't defend the F-35 I actually said "boondoggle" This is a good metric!!! Wait, what were we originally talking about, again?
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Splode posted:So you're not really making a point, you're just yelling at the OP for not being as big a milsperg as you? He's talking with authority on a subject he's clearly not very well versed in.
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I'm kind of dismayed knowing that the F-35 will NEVER be sent into a combat mission, not once till the day it's retired. It's sad, because we'd all like to see how badly it gets destroyed by antiquated AA technology. But we're almost certainly never going to see that, because no General in his right mind would ever send an F-35 against actual enemies. The best we'll get to see is how well the F-35 can handle itself against wedding ceremonies and funerals. Not very satisfying.
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Not sure how the air force plans on handling an integrated AAA defense when they scrapped all of their wild weasel and electronic warfare aircraft
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Bolow posted:Not sure how the air force plans on handling an integrated AAA defense when they scrapped all of their wild weasel and electronic warfare aircraft The F-16CJ is the current Wild Weasel and the navy has the EA-18G growler for ECM, and you can strap HARMs and cluster munitions to pretty much anything.
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Bolow posted:Not sure how the air force plans on handling an integrated AAA defense when they scrapped all of their wild weasel and electronic warfare aircraft Someone hasn't heard about the magical toxic skin that is stealth coating the F-35 
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Unhinged Vulcan posted:http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/12/the-tragedy-of-the-american-military/383516/ this is A Good Article thanks
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Jan 16, 2015 09:24
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Crow_Rodeo posted:
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stay safe the ghost of poverty
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wait how exactly do we know that black programs don't go over budget? and if they don't why don't they?
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ArmZ posted:wait how exactly do we know that black programs don't go over budget? and if they don't why don't they? Every military procurement program has gone over budget. Black programs just have a hell of a lot more wiggle room when it comes to hiding the costs from congress and the public. Even procurement successes like the F-16 were still over budget, just orders of magnitude less over budget than the rest of the pack. A procurement program that doesn't go over budget is a failure, as it didn't put enough money into the right pockets.
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Crow_Rodeo posted:Holy poo poo stop posting. You are loving dumb as hell. Also every EVERY military procurement plan has gone over budget except black programs (which most erroneously believe are the worst offenders) and the F-15, which only came out under budget because of utilizing the same process as a black program. If you want look up the book Air Superiority Blue an excellent read on military procurement and aircraft design. ok smart guy, point by point correct his dumb op we're all here to learn aerospace man!
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Crow_Rodeo posted:He's talking with authority on a subject he's clearly not very well versed in.
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op was a nancy boy who scrubbed the op so i had to find this f-32 pic myself During testing in the late 90's, aviators nicknamed it the Monica. guess why
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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DeusExMachinima posted:op was a nancy boy who scrubbed the op so i had to find this f-32 pic myself OP, you fuckin commie turn-coat Put that poo poo back!
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Crow_Rodeo posted:He's talking with authority on a subject he's clearly not very well versed in. happy now?
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Oh no someone who knows about stuff corrected me. Better change my original post, instead of chalk it up as a learning experience. -OP
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Shadeoses posted:million dollar notes Op is also clearly not Murican.
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The F-35 is actually really good, though.
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Shadeoses posted:The F-35 is actually really good, though. Do you get mad when the mechanic tells you whats wrong with your car? Do you get mad when the Dr. tells you whats wrong with your body?
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Name one thing wrong with the F-35 
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Shadeoses posted:Name one thing wrong with the F-35 it can't fly if there is moisture in the air without catching on fire it smells like farts
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Jan 16, 2015 19:59
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Op you're such a bitch, fix that post e: BE TRUE TO YOURSELF
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*gay voice* oh no got owned i should edit my post so i dont look like a huge massive idiot bitcj
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OP get your poo poo together
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Jan 16, 2015 21:53
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op your op was funny why did you edit it
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Gimme back the original OP dude. It was great Also landing gear...yeah...cool stuff.
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