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So, when they say "As long as they're alive, the countdown will continue", does that mean that the bombs are on deadman switches? Alive > Countdown, Dead > Explode instantly? Because otherwise, it seems like it would be a lot safer and less cruel to euthanize them in their sleep than to say "Ok, go walk over there and wait to get blown up!"
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That is correct. If the victim's vital signs stop being received, either due to their death or the bomb being removed from their body, it will explode. In the show, the Gaizock grunts can't shoot at a couple of escaping victims, because killing them would set them off inside the ship. I Killed GBS fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Tomino is an evil genius to come up with a plot like this, I have yet to meet someone who is shown both of these scenes and wasn't impacted by them. When the man wants to remind you that war is hell, he does not pull his punches. Small Frozen Thing posted:Butcher is wonderful because he's a big blue manchild. He goofs around, he's self-absorbed and doesn't take anything seriously, and he gets huffy when people demand he does. Instead of being all "Mwaahahahahahaaa! My evil Human Bomb plan is working perfectly!" or something like that, he's pretty much just "Hey guys, check this out. Human bombs! Pretty cool, huh? Also this. SRW series often have a handful of hammy dickbags that you just love to hate, but no one pulls off being a hateful manchild like Butcher does.
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Captain Bravo posted:So, when they say "As long as they're alive, the countdown will continue", does that mean that the bombs are on deadman switches? Alive > Countdown, Dead > Explode instantly? It's a bit cruel, but...would YOU want to be the person to find out? Sure, a robot could probably do the actual injection, but we're trapped in the weird rear end 90's future, where extremely basic robots we have NOW (and can literally build using legos) are considered somehow beyond the capabilities of space-faring robot pilots. Better yet, half the drat crew is made up of genius scientists, but they can't figure out how to reset the timers on the bombs continuously; or better still, teleport the bombs away and THEN do surgery. Nope, can't do any of that, because we don't have floppy drives to do the hacking through...or David Goldblum's magic Apple Macintosh Powerbook 5300: just THINK of the plots we could screw with using that kind of power! But nope, these people are fated to die miserably, because that's what the show says will happen, and trying to screw destiny will probably just cause some Final Destination poo poo to go down instead...unless you're a main character (or love interest) with secret mission requirements, of course; even then, don't expect to being do much after the fact.
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thetruegentleman posted:Better yet, half the drat crew is made up of genius scientists, but they can't figure out how to reset the timers on the bombs continuously; or better still, teleport the bombs away and THEN do surgery. Nope, can't do any of that, because we don't have floppy drives to do the hacking through...or David Goldblum's magic Apple Macintosh Powerbook 5300: just THINK of the plots we could screw with using that kind of power! Teleport the bombs? There isn't a single group in this world that could pull something like that. The closest thing is Baldios and the Aldebaron but their warp capabilities are only available for the machines that are equipped with the tech (and neither are even available here) - it's not a beam you could point at teeny, tiny bombs. We're in the middle of bumfuck nowhere with absolutely no way of researching these things outside of medical exams on the victims, and we don't even know how to surgically remove the bomb in a way that doesn't trigger its mechanism. Furthermore, the victims, as shown in the cutscene, had very little time left. With more time, yes, we could think of something but, as it is, there was no way of getting it done fast enough.
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Brunom1 posted:Teleport the bombs? There isn't a single group in this world that could pull something like that. Yeah, I was thinking mainly of Baldios (also the dimension-warps, but to a far lesser degree); I figured that if the scientists could make something big like that (even if they had alien parts to use), they might have experiments that could work on a small scale. It isn't unreasonable either: the real world has done experiments with teleportation with nothing to work off of and no access to robots capable of creating almost unlimited energy, and there's actually been success. If the super-genius scientists here haven't bothered, if *none* of them thought that teleportation, even on a small scale, would be useful to experiment on as they fly around the world, then their...well...super robot era scientists. And they DO have ways of researching the bombs: some of the ships have rooms resembling labs, and at least *some* equipment capable of scanning (medical devices in particular), exactly BECAUSE alien tech sometimes needs to be researched ASAP. If they literally had nothing, then they wouldn't know anything about the bombs at all; instead, they know how the bombs work, just not any way of diffusing them safely. Time and safety are the obvious limiting factors, sure, but that's why I mentioned the whole, "remote surgery with robots" thing: there may have been nothing that could be done in the end (probably so, in fact; I have literally no idea how advanced Zambot villain tech is outside of what we've seen so far, although it doesn't seem all that impressive by their peers standards), but I'd still expect a bit more effort from the resident geniuses...some kind of gamble to save at least *some* of the victims' lives, even if it's just one or two.
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thetruegentleman posted:(probably so, in fact; I have literally no idea how advanced Zambot villain tech is outside of what we've seen so far, although it doesn't seem all that impressive by their peers standards) They are significantly more advanced than their peers in some ways. I don't want to spoil anything, but as an example: that big clay-doll looking ship of theirs? That's their entire fleet. But that's really all they need. Because with sufficient raw materials, they could build new copies of every single one of their units we've destroyed so far in less than an hour. Also, quantum teleportation is what we have done in real life, and quantum teleportation=/=teleportation of the kind you're thinking of. Not even close. And the Baldios warp works by punching a hole through subspace then punching another through at your destination, and some of that special required equipment is needed to keep the ship from ripping itself apart during the process; trying to use it for surgery would be like trying to use the Large Hadron Collider to perform radiotherapy.
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Unfortunately for the victims, not only were there too many of them to attempt to save in time, they had absolutely no idea how much time they had left.
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Goddamnit Derek Stiles, where are you when we need you? Also, how much of somebody's hitting power is themselves, and how much is the robot? Kouji and Boss seemed to be pretty on par with each other there.
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Kouji has around 10 more points in Melee then boss. This translates to around an additional 0.1 to his attack multiplier. More importantly though is Kouji's skills, Squad Leader Bonus, and Spirits.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:They are significantly more advanced than their peers in some ways. Yes, I know the difference between real-life tech and anime tech; that isn't really the point. The point is that we're exploring the tech in real life without anything to go on, and thus it seems fair to expect significantly more interest/progress in the tech when both a prior example and a power source that could make it economically feasible exist (not to mention the possibility of using outright magic to solve technical problems). Would any of that mean guaranteed success? Of course not; but at least they would trying to match the aliens in more than outright violence. Even then, it's just an example of the larger problem: they gave up on the lives of all the civilians awfully quick, and that's a bit...bothersome. Yes, it's dangerous, but these people are already risking their lives for the sake of others by fighting in the war: it seems reasonable to expect at least some of them, even just a few, would risk their lives to save the civilians; just as it would be reasonable to expect that the military personnel would stop them for the greater good.
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thetruegentleman posted:Yes, it's dangerous, but these people are already risking their lives for the sake of others by fighting in the war: it seems reasonable to expect at least some of them, even just a few, would risk their lives to save the civilians; just as it would be reasonable to expect that the military personnel would stop them for the greater good. You have to think about this in the context of the original show and not the mishmash that a Super Robot Wars game provides. When you mix and match different universes they either forcefully do the original plot as-is, or they lightly alter it to include other series... but very rarely they completely alter a certain relevant event. See: Getter Robo's MUSASHIIIII. Or slightly more spoiler-y, Elche's loss of sight at the end of Xabungle and how it gets quickly fixed in SRW Alpha Gaiden with Turn A Nanomachines (or something like that). Within Zambot 3 the Jin Family are all outcasts. They have access to some uncanny alien technology but they're just three pretty normal families and as far as they know there's nothing they can do. They can't stay in one spot and they can't take the people in to study them because they might blow up and destroy the one weapon Earth has against Butcher. On top of that the world's fighting forces are in disarray due to the constant attacks by Butcher and confusion and chaos reigns. Specifically, in the show... Enough chaos that Butcher himself sets up refuge camps where they provide aid to people that lost their homes when Mechaboost monsters destroyed them. And in those camps people get wrangled like animals, forbidden to leave and turned into human bombs. Someone in the thread already pointed out the concentration camp similarities. That's another twisted side of the Human Bombs plot that isn't represented in SRWZ. The situation in this story isn't quite the same, true, but they had to follow one of the most notable plot points in Zambot 3.
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thetruegentleman posted:Even then, it's just an example of the larger problem: they gave up on the lives of all the civilians awfully quick, and that's a bit...bothersome. Yes, it's dangerous, but these people are already risking their lives for the sake of others by fighting in the war: it seems reasonable to expect at least some of them, even just a few, would risk their lives to save the civilians; just as it would be reasonable to expect that the military personnel would stop them for the greater good. Yes, but this isn't the Super Robot route, we just don't have enough hot blood to make rash judgement calls like that.
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Dr. Psychobabble posted:Getter Robo's MUSASHIIIII. Alpha 2 is crazy with this. You have Toei Getter Musashi riding the Black Getter from Getter Robo: Armageddon doing a certain Getter Robo manga thing complete with a portrait from Shin vs. Neo Getter.
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All units are still deploying as events for this one, so make sure they’re equipped (especially Enil and Pala because, even if they come in upgraded, they’re not the dodgiest people around). Charles brings Renton aboard his ship, The Swan, and the kid’s very impressed at how clean it is for an obviously military model – certainly a far cry from a certain ship. Ray’s thankful but Charles adds that he needn’t compliment them. He says that kids should just act as kids while they still can, without worrying what the grown-ups think. Renton inwardly notes that, in the end, he might need to take advantage of those words. If he's really this good-for-nothing kid, then his only option would be to survive by the hospitality of others. Either way, Ray’ll be bringing out dinner soon and as the kid thanks her for it, Charles says he needn’t be so high-strung - he’s free to stay here for as long as he’d like. Furthermore, after he’s done eating, Charles has something to show him (along with a man-to-man talk). Elsewhere, in a flashback…   : Mommy…why don’t I have a daddy? : Well, your daddy left on a trip – somewhere far, far away…: And he left us behind?: …He’s a very free spirit. I don’t think he’s even capable of staying in one place… : What kind of man was he? Please tell me.: His name was Kei Katsuragi…and he was a wonderful man…: Kei Katsuragi… The toddler’s called Atena, by the way!   Location: Central South Ameria  Rand and the crew are definitely enjoying their freedom from the routine of ZEUTH – they can even sleep ‘till late and relax without the likes of Sara and Ken-goh giving them hell for it! Jiron gets what they’re saying as there’s a surprising amount of nagging going on for a group of pariahs: Mischa once gave Rand a big talking-to after he broke a flower vase in the infirmary, Hilda spanked Chil some for hiding all the clothes she had wetted the bed with, Mimsy always gets mad when she catches Jiron and Apollo eating with their bare hands… Löwen, however, doesn’t quite see it as nagging and just calling their attention to flaws they could fix – nothing major, no? Still, Rand says we’re pariahs within the pariahs for the time being so he suggests Löwen not act so stiff and relax! Löwen’s grumbling that he came with the wrong group but Mel tells him to cheer up as, today, they should only think about fun stuff to do. Garrod’s had enough of playing in arcades and visiting Markets, though, so what else can we do?  Jiron’s first suggestion is to try and hunt lizard in the nearby desert: it is good fun and the end-result will be tasty (according to the Zorans). Sadly, Pala quickly vetoes the idea of eating lizard. Kei has a laugh at how the Jiron and co. always want to go lizard hunting before suggesting they go try and pick up chicks instead. Gain points the contradiction but Kei says every land has different kinds of girls, so going after chicks here is something completely unique! With that in mind, he calls Löwen to come with him as part of the plan to cure his gynophobia but the guy declines, saying he’s fine as he is. It quickly dawns on Garrod that enjoying our freedom’s good and all but it’s strangely difficult to decide on what to do for fun. Understandable, Enil thinks, as people in their world were more concerned with surviving that anything else. Rand himself can find enjoyment in that tough lifestyle and, as Mel thinks the Gekkostate crew would’ve had a way to pass time, volunteers to think of something for us to do in lieu of “Mr. Charisma”, Holland. None of the girls are willing to take a chance in whatever he might come up with, though (Enil figures it’ll involve tearing down a building or hunting bandits). Meanwhile, Löwen wonders if it's really so safe to be wandering around town with a person who can be tracked by the Chiram's Singularity sensors. Indeed, it actually strikes Gain as a bit odd that we haven’t seen any attempts to capture Kei despite us being away from our main group. Of course, there could always be reasons why this is happening but the important part is that, if they DO show up, we just need to run away. A certain man has heard the conversation and wonders if Kei’s attitude stems from him being very brave or something else.  It’s Roger (  ) and he’s glad to see everyone doing well!Löwen has actually heard of the guy and how he barely manages a 50% success rate as a freelance negotiator which causes Roger to complain that popular rumor is a very irresponsible medium (it only leaves the truth obscured). When Gain asks, Roger says he’s not here to catch up with old friends but actually on business: not exactly negotiations but to escort Kei to a certain location. Kei quickly figures he was hired to ask him on a date for some cute girl but, sadly, he’s not at liberty to say who the client is or where said meeting is supposed to take place. Furthermore, the client insisted that Kei be brought over alone. Gain has to wonder what his client’s game is and, from what Roger could gather, it appears the client has something very important to discuss with Kei privately – naturally, Roger guarantees his safety. Considering how fishy this whole thing seems, Kei isn’t very inclined to play along but, expecting that answer, Roger was instructed to speak a name: Tina Henderson. Kei’s surprised expression seems an affirmative to Roger and, in that case, he requests he come to the park at 2200 hours on the dot (again, he needs to come alone).  As Roger leaves, Löwen asks who Tina Henderson is and Kei says it’s his sweetheart from before all that Break the World business happened. So, it’s an old acquaintance calling him? No idea, but Kei doesn’t think Roger’s client would drop that name merely as a prank. Either way, he’ll be going to this meeting and asks Gain to refrain from following or anything of the sort. He agrees, with a warning to be very careful. Can it actually be Tina herself…?  Seems like something’s drawing Roger towards old friends today because he also runs into Angel – it seems they had previously met in Bellforest at some point. For now, Roger’s been using one of the town’s factories as a place to do maintenance on Big O and he certainly didn’t expect to run into her. She’s here on business, though, investigating both Adroc and Renton on behalf of the Siberian Rail’s president Roger seems a bit surprised she’s still working for the guy but she says he’s quite charming – on par with Alex Rosewater, even. Either way, Roger would like to invite her over for tea but he’s also quite busy right now. Angel’s sure they can postpone it until next time and despite Roger’s consideration that it’s not certain they WILL meet again, she thinks it’ll happen considering how often they just bump into each other – Roger doesn’t put as much stock in fate but he feels inclined to believe her words. In fact, Angel’s sure they will meet again and soon because she has a piece of the truth Roger’s seeking – a riddle? “The relic of the Black History will soon awaken…and, therein, lies the truth…”, she says. With that, Angel leaves but not before sending her regards to Roger’s “morose doll”. Roger ponders her words, wondering if this truth she says lies within said relic is the same thing Schwarz is after.  Roger’s being watched by Vera (woman in purple suit), who tags him as the Dominus of the black Megadeus. Another man, Alan Gabriel, quickly sees in him a man worthy of being cut to shreds. Vera tells "Unit 271" to wait, though: Roger's status as a Dominus makes him more useful alive. The bigger problem she sees is "Unit 340", who seems to be straying from her mission. Alan wonders if Angel’s weighing her options between them, Alex and Kids and it seems clear to Vera that they need to check where her loyalty lies. In the event she does turn out to be traitorous, Alan will be allowed to eliminate her in the name of their mission to grasp the truth. With that in mind, Alan will head back to Paradigm Corporation to continue his mission.   Later on, Roger’s escorted Kei to the meeting spot on time and bids him farewell – it’s only polite to give him and his client some privacy to talk. Kei says goodbye, adding that Mome would love to see Dorothy again. Roger promises to pass that along and walks off, leaving Kei to wonder who he's here to meet (he’s hoping for a cute girl, of course). He’s soon accosted by someone who he recognizes as wearing a Chiram uniform – Atena – who demands he come with her. Kei figures he’s been had and is quite pissed after all that “guaranteed safety” talk. Atena has quite the beef with him and commands he not resist, lest she decide to deal with him here and now. Kei calls her bluff and wrestles her to the ground (he doesn’t like to get so rough with chicks but there’s no other choice, really) but, as he prepares to run off, something slips off Atena’s pocket.   A picture of Tina and he asks why she has it. Atena yells at him not to touch it, cursing the Singularity's very existence. Just then, though, a familiar voice tells her to stop – her “uncle”, Olson – and realizes she must’ve overheard him setting up the meeting with Roger. Either way, he wants her to leave and calls it a direct order when she tries to protest, leaving her no choice but to comply. Kei realizes this guy’s the real client and, although he’s a bit sad that the true meeting isn't with a cute girl, will prefer him over someone gunning for his life. It comes as quite a relief to Olson that Kei hasn't changed, though he’s also a bit amazed. Kei’s a bit suspicious of the guy but Olson figures it’s only natural since Kei’s apparently not recognizing him.  That changes once the shades come off, though, and it’s been a very long time since they’ve spoken – since the battle at the Orbital Elevator, really. Kei now understands why Roger would know Tina’s name but he has to wonder why he didn’t try to contact him sooner. There’s a reason for that though, and it’s related to Olson’s new position as a Major General in the Chiram’s Special Forces. His mission HAD been to capture the Singularities but, as of today, it’s been changed to simply eliminate them. Kei gets antsy but Olson tells him to calm down as, if he wanted to do so, he would have - he's actually used his authority to temporarily suspend even looking for Kei, which explains why the Chiram have been so quiet lately. Either way, what was the reason why Olson called him over? He’ll get to that but, first off, he feels he must explain what happened to him. Although it’s only been around a year for Kei since the battle at the elevator, Olson was warped in way earlier – five years earlier. Indeed, the guy does look a bit older than before and this nonchalant attitude, something Olson had long-since learned to live with, only further proves Kei’s still the same man as before. Either way, he asks if Kei knows why the Chiram are after him and, indeed, he relates how the Emaanians told him about the Singularities being the key to the dimensional repair – they also mentioned that tidbit of the Chiram being the remnant of their original nation.  That speeds things up for Olson, who asks Kei to come back with him to Chiram as the best course of action. Kei refuses, saying he can’t agree to this idea of only saving some countries and their people and leaving the others to be destroyed – furthermore, he feels no sense of duty towards the Chiram. Hwever, Olson says Chiram isn’t just their old homeland…it’s also the home of his daughter. After a quick double-take, Kei starts adding things together and asks what happened to Tina – is she also in this world? Olson relates how the Space-Time Oscillation Bomb’s activation warped her a good twenty years into this world’s past where she lived as a Chiram citizen until her death a few years ago, leaving behind Kei’s daughter. Kei can’t believe she was pregnant and is now dead but, more importantly, if Tina was warped here twenty years ago, that means his child would already be a grown woman, yes? Indeed, and it’s Atena Henderson – the woman who just tried to kill Kei. 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Literally the first time you see Kei in the show is Tina's dad threatening him.
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You know, all things considered I'm surprised Kei doesn't have more kids running around, possibly trying to murder him.
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Why do I get the feeling this isn't the first time someone has hid behind a cute girl to go after Kei?
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Alacron posted:You know, all things considered I'm surprised Kei doesn't have more kids running around, possibly trying to murder him. How do you know he doesn't? 
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TwoPair posted:How do you know he doesn't? Today, on Maury: My father is an inter-dimensional time traveler responsible for destroying the multiverse...and, as it turns out, he's the father of every parentless  : How's that for despair, boyo?!
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Alacron posted:You know, all things considered I'm surprised Kei doesn't have more kids running around, possibly trying to murder him. Well, at least now we have a reasoning over why Xine wants him dead!
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 Mission 34 (Renton Route) - Strange Contact   A bunch of Chiram troops approach, led by Robert. Olson ordered them all to be on standby so he demands an explanation for this obvious disobedience of a superior officer. Robert would also like an explanation for what Olson is doing as contacting the man they’re supposed to kill is a major violation of army regulations. Olson tries pulling rank to get them to retreat but Robert’s decided he’s obviously a traitor an opts to eliminate these two unnecessary Singularities in one go. As they start shooting, Olson tells Kei to run while he backs him up with his Nikick but there isn’t much either of them can do under the Chiram’s bombardment. However…  : BIG O! SHOWTIME!! He’s baaaaaaaaaack (and we’ve brought not-Queen to welcome him)!     : The Big O! That you, Mr. Negotiator? : I did say I would guarantee your safety. Considering that promise, I’ve a duty to abide to it until the end. : Blasted giant! Are you actually thinking of getting in our way?! : I merely want to be faithful to my professional obligations.: As for you unfair gentlemen, you’ll become VERY aware of just how foolish your methods are. : Charge, Henry! We’ll dispose of both the Singularities and this meddler!: Understood! All units, attack!: You leave me no choice if you’ll disregard my warning! I shall take up the gauntlet! : BIG O! ACTION!! : Kei, you have to run! I’ll stay and do whatever I can! : Alright but you better not die, Olson! Mission Objective: Shoot down Robert’s Ishkick Commander Mission Failure: Any allied unit shot down Skill Point: Clear the map within 6 turns An easy skill point, especially if you know what’s coming. Keep in mind that stuff will start to happen after you either kill two Chiram or get into a fight with Robert so, the sooner you pull that off, the better. I actually lucked out because I forgot to unequip Big O’s parts for all this time, so he’s already packing an A-Adaptor, Apogee Motor and High Spec Radar all of which will help out immensely in speeding up the process. If Roger isn’t equipped with anything that allows him to hit aerial targets, try to position yourself in a way that’ll allow him to Chrom Buster the two nearby Ishfons and that should be more than enough to kill them. Try to get those two down within this first turn, to maximize the leeway you have. Since I CAN punch them, though, I move Roger up front and wait.  Enemy Phase!  And here we go…      After taking gently caress-all for damage, Roger pulls Big O upward by hooking onto this S-sized Ishfon in order to uppercut it. Average stuff. Still, I guess the RNG took pity after the AI screwed me over last mission and made both attacks crit, resulting in two very dead mooks.    Olson and Atena quickly join the fray in their Nikicks, with Olson ready to punish their subordinates' insubordination. Robert isn’t very willing to comply with a traitor’s orders and, without a choice, Olson orders Atena to head to HQ ahead of him. She refuses the order, though, and asks to watch her “uncle’s” back. Olson apologizes and accepts her offer. Kei joins them soon after, eager to help his buddy – the Orguss was nearby and there are also quite a few things he wants to talk to Olson about. Kei was never the type to run away when told to, too. Olson calls Roger and apologizes for getting him in trouble but asks for his help. Roger tells him not to worry as this is all within the scope of the job he was hired for and Kei’s quite impressed with his sense of duty. Back to Robert, he’s glad Kei came back as it gives him the chance to wrap this all up in one go. That ain’t gonna fly with Kei and he calls Olson to give the Chiram an idea of what the two aces of the Bronco squad can do! The other Chiram mooks start coming over while Henry and Robert stay put.  Player Phase!  Robert isn’t amused at how long this taking despite their superior numbers but, as Roger points out, that advantage is just about to go out the window: the rest of our team has just arrived. Kei’s quick to ask what took them so long but Gain protests that he’s the one who told us to keep away. Furthermore, Chil doesn’t appreciate his lip after how quickly we scrambled to get here once we noticed the combat! Indeed, Jiron’s about to have everyone turn around when Kei apologizes and asks us to lend a hand. He quickly mentions that those two other Chiram Devices are with him, so we don’t need to worry about them. Rand has a laugh at how Roger’s still always finding himself getting dragged into brawls and the man merely sighs that, more often than not in this world, there are situations where doing so is inevitable. Rand knows that feel, sighing that he hasn’t been doing much repairing nowadays either. As Mel gives them a verbal pat on the head, Kei’ll be depending on everyone to make sure they all leave here in one piece. Alright, now for the next part of smashing this skill point: Kei, Olson and Atena are more than capable of dealing with all the Chiram rather quickly, so we’ll be sending our new troops northward – this is especially important with Roger (he should climb the mountains nearby and start heading towards the NW corner).  Kei will be leading the charge.        Very easy.  Atena leaves another Ishkick barely hanging, so Olson tags in to finish the job.      Boosh.  There are a few Chiram close enough for our group to contribute against. Normally, I wouldn’t care to show off an uninteresting attack but… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ribiN4s65VA I believe Pala might have the most bounce-tastic cutin in the game, beating even Setsuko. Meanwhile, Löwen also takes the time to down another Ishkick. Enemy Phase!   Only attack is this one Chiram who barely survives Atena’s hit – Robert and Henry are coming after the Orguss team but, were our main group closer, Robert would’ve actually gone for whatever’s closer. Player Phase! I could go for Henry but, honestly, he’s not carrying anything and is hardly worth the effort. Let’s take Robert down to get the plot going.  : Emaanian Singularity! Now that the order to exterminate you has been given, I needn’t hold back any longer!: I don’t care if it’s “capture” or “exterminate”! You guys can’t just go doing whatever you want with others! : No way in hell I’m leaving the dimensional repair in the hands of folks like that!    : Lass, don’t even think the likes of you stand a chance against a veteran! : I’ve been trained in all aspects of the art of war by the MajGen.! No foe will best me!!    Ergh…maybe with a bit more training…(that was an 80% chance to hit) : At last, the day where I’ve legitimate excuse to get rid of you has arrived!: Someone who deployed troops against orders has no right to speak of legitimacy!: And, yet, you shouldn’t count on being able to defeat me easily!    He says, as he’s easily defeated. Still, he gives us a cheap Hybrid Armor for our troubles.  Robert’s too tenacious to admit defeat but he quickly pings something else coming and, in anger, orders the retreat; he does make it a point to tell Olson that he’ll report all his doings to high-command, so he better prepare to face the music! Atena figures the guy has a rather personal grudge with Olson and Kei quickly tries getting in touch with her. Pala tells him to hit on the girl later as more troops are on our doorstep!   “Hear me, Black Southern Cross! I’VE COME TO SETTLE ACCOUNTS WITH YOU!!” says Asuham, leading a mixed posse of Breakers and Siberian troops. Gain’s rather surprised to see him here and guesses, correctly, that he was fired from the Saint Reagan and got picked up by the Siberian Rail. Indeed, Asuham has forsaken both his position and status all for the sake of destroying him! He also forced Zakki and some other troops to come along but they’re certainly not as gung-ho as he is to tangle with us. When Pala asks, Garrod quickly gives her the rundown of Gain and Asuham’s “rivalry” but Rand quickly notices that Asuham isn’t the only one with a vendetta here. Hola is here, proudly declaring that today’s the end of the road for Jiron which makes the guy sigh that Hola always says that whenever they meet – talk about a one-track mind. Greta’s also present, though, and she also has a beef with him. Geraba’s much more focused on THE CRUSHER AND BLAZING MOBILE SUIT PILOT, though Rand’s no longer so annoyed at being called that. Still, it impresses Garrod that they all came all the way from Galia just to chase after us and Asuham offers to explain what’s what. President Kids is very pissed with us helping that Exodus succeed and decided to have us destroyed as a matter of honor for the Siberian Rail. Thus, he hired Asuham and co. to make an example out of us to anyone else who’d dare oppose them. Seems to Roger like they’ve all chosen this spot to have their definitive battle but there’s another matter that requires his attention…  : Quit posturing, crow boy! : What is that?! : A super car, trailer and construction vehicle?! : FINAL TOGETHER!     : BECK THE GREAT RX3 HAS…ARRIVED!! : It worked!  : We’re so cool, bro! : They combined…! : Wow! It’s just like the Zambot, Getter and Baldios! : AHAHA, crow boy! To think I’d bump into you while working with Asuham! : What luck! I’m so happy I brought my Beck the Great RX3 along for the ride!: Hm. I take it that’s your new toy, Beck?: Heh… You’ll see how much of a toy it is real soon!: This baby’s the embodiment of both my brilliant intellect and the technology of Yoshifura-Yakamoto Industries! Play around with it and you’re gonna get seriously burned! : Gain…and ZEUTH! There are no tricks today! : I will end you all fair and square!! : Good on you, Asuham! I’ll play your game, in deference to that sportsmanship!: Olson, there’s no turning back now – you’re gonna have to help us, too! : Heh…Kei, I’m already more than used to you getting me in trouble. : (He looks so happy…that’s the first time I’ve seen him like that…) : Time for your guts and our anger to throw down! We’re going hog-wild today!! : Fine! If you wanna wrap this all up, then we’re up for it!: Psych yourselves up! This here’s gonna be the climactic battle!: Crushing a hoodlum like you is starting to feel like an exercise in futility.  : BEHOLD OUR RAGE AND OUR PRIDE! ATTACK!!Aah, nothing like Asuham and Beck to turn us around from our Eureka 7-induced gloom. Now, you need to shoot down only Asuham, Hola, Greta and Beck to wrap this up but we have three turns and that’s more than enough to deal with everything. Furthermore, there’s on added bit you should be mindful of:  Secret Alert!
With that in mind, let’s take a look at BECK THE GREAT RX3!   Beck The Great RX3 (Jason Beck, T-Bone, Dav) Pilot Skills:
Beck’s Voice Actor: Houchu Ohtsuka (other known works: Gates in Full Metal Panic, Agent Smith in The Matrix trilogy(!), Chibodee in G Gundam and many, many others) T-Bone’s Voice Actor: Keiichi Sonobe (other known works: Oliver Inoue in V Gundam, Randolph in One Piece and several others) Dav’s Voice Actor: Mitsuo Senda (other known works: Dave McCartney in Golgo 13, Seiryu in Yu Yu Hakusho and a few others) Beck and his new mech are…okay? It’s decently bulky, has a rather long-range ALL attack and is powerful-ish while also getting boosted by that leader bonus but, still, it won’t take much to bring it down if you bring people in. Hell, Roger is more than capable of taking him on by himself (though not as easily as the original anime  )!   Löwen and Enil lead the charge, cutting a Galapagos down to size (while also eating a 15% hit…).  It falls on Gain to finish the job.      And there it goes.   Following that, Jiron and Rand deal with a Promeus.  There’s still Pala and Garrod, so they do whatever they can with this Government.        Not quite enough but he should be finished when he attacks.    Finally, Roger inches closer to Beck and finds the time to shave off around half of Geraba’s HP. Enemy Phase!   Enil’s lower HP count draws the attention of three mooks but, thankfully, she manages to dodge while also nabbing a kill. Garrod’s also attacked but only weakens his two targets.  Meanwhile, Greta’s going straight for Jiron.  : I’ll mash that melonhead of yours into jam, Jiron Amos!: Not gonna happen! And if you’ve time to hound me, you oughta be looking for some nice man instead! : Well, you’re not half bad yourself. You do know how to push my buttons, after all! : Th-that’s not what I meant!    Off to a good start here.  Aaaand here comes Geraba, trying to get a piece of Rand.   : Come’ere, THE BLAZING CRUSHERS! Time to get some payback for all you put me through! : Yo, I get that you’re pissed but don’t ya go bunching our street-names together! : We’re gonna pull the plug on your vendetta and send you and dear “bro” back to Galia quick-like!      Bah, fine. I’ll deal with you later.  And there’s Hola.  : Enough is enough, Hola. Aren’t you tired of chasing me around? : Yeah, I am sick of seeing that melonhead of yours! : That’s why I wanna kick your rear end and end this in a hurry!: Where do you get off, chasing people around and getting all hyped about it?! That’s called being a pain!  : But I’m also sick of your droopy eyes, so you’ll have your wish: we’ll put an end to this here and now!  Surprising that he’s so much dodgier than Greta considering how the Doran’s supposed to be a much more maneuverable mech.   Gain weakens a few Under Golems and Zakki while Asuham falls just short of being in range.  More importantly, though, Beck takes a few steps ahead and goes for Roger. : Come on, crow boy! I put a whole lot of cash into this thing! It's more than a match to you in raw power!: It certainly seems like you invested heavily into it… However, it doesn’t have an ounce of aesthetic quality – as usual.: WHAT?! How can you not appreciate the glory of a combination?! Are you dead inside?!: My aesthetic sense is antagonistic to you. Since that is YOUR unit, I’m incapable of perceiving any beauty in it! : You smug sonuva…! I’ll smash that black body of yours to bits!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05dmJZGKX-k YAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! : How do ya like them apples, Negotiator! You scared of the mighty Beck the Great RX3 yet?: I see… It’s certainly a bit better than all the rubbish you’ve used thus far.: However, before my Big O, it’s—*Wiiiiiioooooooooossssshhhh.* : Urgh! What… something just poured into my mind…!: “O-Thunder”...”Plasma Gimmick”... Are these some sort of hidden weapons of the Big O?!  : Whuh?! Something’s happening with that Megadeus!: Has a portion of my memory returned…?: But, why? What caused this?: Could a new foe have emerged - one I've to use these weapons against…?: Hey, dumbass! You’re facing the amazing Beck! Quit mumblin’ to yourself!: You are severely lacking as Big O’s opponent... Still, why don’t you come and try your hand against its once-hidden strength! Well, that was interesting. Mind, if you don’t get these weapons now, you’ll get them as automatic events further ahead (on the other route, too). Either way, these two are rather nice: O-Thunder has slightly less power than Chrom Buster and it's not ALL, but it costs 20 EN less and has longer range and crit chance. Plasma Gimmick is a MAP attack that strikes everything in a 3x3 area (centered around Big O) for pretty good damage – problem is, it is not post-movement and costs 80 EN a pop, so I don’t tend to use it a whole lot. Still, it’s good to have if the enemy bunches close enough. Player Phase!   The next round, Charles and Renton come on the scene: Charles had just been trying to give Renton a demo of his Spearhead, but he's found himself a battle to participate in. He notices Renton’s friends taking part of it and figures it’s all the more reason for them to help. When Renton asks, he sas there's no rule against mercs getting into fights just for the hell of it. Besides, he wants to pay us back for our previous help. Renton seems a bit uneasy but Charles promises he’ll keep the kid’s presence in his KLF a secret. So, Charles jumps right into the fray and announces his intentions – neither Rand, Jiron or anyone else plans on looking a gift horse in the mouth, either! Charles likes our relaxed vibe but Renton’s not feeling so hot seeing us again.  Nice, things are even easier now. Next up, let’s take the time to show off Roger’s new MAP because we actually have three enemies in range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz9Bbfenlv4 And there go two of them.  And now we start cleaning up the rest: Zakki’ll be the first to go.       And Garrod learns Prevail L6 as a bonus!  Zakki’s had enough of playing along with Asuham’s vendetta and decides to pull back before things get any worse. The boss man is rather miffed that it took so little to send him running for the hills. Gain quickly says he’s making a big mistake if he thinks he can use people as tools for his agenda but Asuham yells that he alone is more than enough to destroy Gain!  We’ll put that to the test soon enough. Meanwhile, maybe Charles can help out with Greta.  : Alright, hang in there, boy! I’m shifting into high-gear for a bit! : Y-yes…!: Music ain’t something you see, so you dance by feeling it with your body.: The Trapar’s the same thing: you don’t see it but you can ride by feeling it with your heart. Get it?: You ride…by feeling it…: Yup, so just follow your heart! In this world, the person having fun is always the real winner!  : (Yeah…that was why I admired the Gekkostate and joined them…): (But, that wasn’t the only reason why I joined…): Well, you can think about it later, Renton! First off, we gotta straighten these folks out!     That’s pretty good!    And Jiron finishes the job with an assist from Gain. By the by, I didn’t realize it at the time but Enil/Pala actually have lines for her: : Here we go, girls! How about I give you an idea of the glamour of a mature woman! : Nah, I’m gonna have to pass on that sort of lecture! : Sorry to tell you this but chasing others over some baseless grudge is very unsightly.: Truth be told, I don’t care about getting revenge. I’m doing this just because fighting’s the key to preserving a lady’s beauty!: You might be fighting to hide your wrinkles but, to us, you’re just being a pain! Greta yells that she can’t die here – not when she’s at the apex of her womanhood! Indeed, so long as that remains, she’ll keep on fighting and promises to see us again. Enil figures we could, at least, learn from her vitality and Garrod can only pray Tifa won’t end up like that when she’s older. Defeating Greta causes all Breakers aside from Hola and Geraba to run off, too.  Speaking of, Pala takes a quick shot to weaken Geraba and Rand moves in to do the deed.       Hey, wouldn’t even have needed Pala’s help!  Geraba quickly apologizes to Hola and says he’ll be running off before he does – Hola’s not amused with the insinuation that he’ll also be losing. Mel once again noticed the guy crying as he ran off and the sight of that always leaves Rand feeling a wee bit sad.   Only a few units left, so Löwen starts working on Asuham while Enil whiffs a 85% shot…  Might as well have Gain contribute to this effort. : Gain Bijou, you’re all that matters to me now! FACE ME, MAN TO MAN!! : I’d take a lady being this passionate any day…but not you. Asuham, your challenges have long since overstayed their welcome. : I’ve a lot going on right now, so let’s do it your way and put this to bed!       Alright, sure. Enemy Phase!       As Jiron and Hola trade blows, a suicidal Under Golem quickly learns the folly of attacking Roger.  This kill also triggers Gain’s OverSkill.  Another Under Golem and this one’s going for Löwen.       And there he goes.     Jiron kills the last Under Golem as it attacks, gaining a level in Support Attack, and Gain and Asuham trade blows. Beck and Roger are still going at it and both are rather low on HP. Player Phase!   A couple of hits from Charles and Olson cuts Hola’s HP nicely.  Gonna have Jiron finish him because Chil still has SP to cast Bless.      Good man.  Hola’s livid that he lost AGAIN and asks why: Jiron’s answer is that he needs to get a better understanding of his skill and the tools he uses. Hola doesn’t buy it, figuring a stronger mech is all he needs to win. And, indeed, Hola says they’re setting up a mech that will knock Jiron’s socks off – just he wait! As Hola leaves, Chil wonders if they actually found something like that but Jiron figures we’ll deal with it if it comes to that. And we're just gonna have to keep slapping Hola around until he learns his lesson.  I was in a hurry now because of things, so the kiddie gloves quickly came off.        “I feel your pain, Gunleon…” (Surprisingly, that was only 12k damage WITH valor)  Curse you, Gain!!  Asuham STILL isn’t strong enough to get his revenge and Gain suggests he give up – Karin wouldn’t like seeing him like this. Nope, he’s still not listening: “I will return…WITH POWER YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND!! Gain can only sigh at how serious to a fault the guy’s always been - it’s not a bad trait but he puts way too much stock in his (wrong) assumptions to make good use of it…  Fast-forward to Beck’s phase because I wanted to beat him like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvIOPe1d9a4 “I will show you...the mysteries of the ORIENT!”  Beck’s equally frustrated that he can’t win no matter how many times he tries and Roger simply says that’s his fate – best for him to accept it with dignity. Beck sniffs that the guy’s acting so smug just because he’s a Megadeus’ Dominus. Roger’s surprised he knows that word and, truth be told, Beck doesn’t know why he does – info on Roger and his Megadeus just suddenly popped into his head. Either way, Beck vows to win next time and runs off, leaving Roger to ponder why one of Beck’s missing memories contains information about him. Roger wonders what he and the Big O are. Perhaps the answers lay within that truth Schwarz spoke of…    With the battle over, Charles prepares to head back home and Gain thanks him for the assist. Charles says it’s not necessary as he was merely paying us back and, actually, he figures he might still owe us considering the amazing “gift” he and Ray received from us. He won’t say what he means by that but hopes to meet us again sometime. Olson and Atena are leaving too, and Kei quickly tries to get in touch with her. She figures Olson told her everything and warns him that she’ll never accept him as her father – not after what he did to her mother. This saddens Kei no small amount, since even her little habits as a pilot mirror his own. Olson apologizes to his old friend, telling him that Atena's belief that Kei made her mother unhappy is the one thing he wasn't able to break her of in all these years. Kei tells him it's not his fault, fessing up to not being anywhere near an ideal boyfriend for Tina. Olson says that if he cares about Atena, he should consider his offer, but Kei says those are two separate matters – he’s not changing his mind. Furthermore, he asks if Olson might not have lost sight of what’s truly important by getting all wrapped up in this “motherland” business? Either way, Kei’s never been the sort screw other people over so long as he ends up OK, and remembers Olson was also that kind of person…5 years ago. Olson promises we’ll meet again and he’ll ask Kei again once that time arrives. As he leaves, Jiron asks if it’s an old friend and Kei confirms, saying he’s also a great guy. Before long, however, Pala detects something else coming over.  It’s the Glomar and Shaia brings dire news: our main group is being attacked by a huge mob of Siberian troops! Gain sees that Kids’ decided to hunt all of us down, not just this posse – it should still be an easy fight for us, though. Jiron isn’t sure as he just now realized that Timp and Kashmir weren’t present in this attack so it’s likely they’re there. Furthermore, Shaia’s just received some info of a huge monster appearing and it’s making for a very tough fight for our people (You can say that again…). Said monster is incredibly strong and it’s been said to be some sort of relic from the Black History. The Glomar came here to bring us back to help with the battle and everyone quickly sets out to save our friends. Roger also offers to come along, saying there’s something he’s worried about and Gain won’t say no to extra firepower. Inwardly, Roger remembers Angels words: can the truth she spoke of truly lie with said relic…  Back on the Chiram ship, Wesley confronts Olson with the report Robert filed. Olson's got his own version of events, and requests suitable punishment for Robert's act of insubordination. Still, Wesley tells Olson that whatever else happened, the fact remains that he let a chance to eliminate the Singularity escape. As such, he's been demoted to captain and ordered to return to the homeland at once, with the threat of immediate execution as a traitor should he refuse. Olson promises to return, though he knows that what awaits him is likely a long stint in prison. Still, he figures he’s no choice as Chiram remains his homeland. Still, he ponders, there might be ONE other option: perhaps Kei, every bit his old self, is actually treading the better path... Quick heads-up here: the last mission of both paths makes mention of a whole lot of major events on the other side so, in the interest of minimizing spoilers, I’ll be switching to the other route now and will return to close this one after it’s all done. By the way, for those interested, here’s the Beck The Great RX3 scene from the original show (dubbed because the original version had this big watermark). Brunom1 fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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Feb 11, 2015 21:28
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Beck the Great RX-3 is the best.
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Feb 11, 2015 21:50
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Wait, I'm confused about Olson's demotion. He's getting demoted to colonel, but Athena referred to him as a major during her attacks, which is a lower rank that colonel. So either Chiram military ranks are weird and the ranks of colonel and major are swapped around, or Olson was actually a general and got demoted to colonel while Athena calls him major for whatever reason. Also, echoing the below statement: Dr Pepper posted:Beck the Great RX-3 is the best.
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Feb 11, 2015 22:38
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AradoBalanga posted:Wait, I'm confused about Olson's demotion. He's getting demoted to colonel, but Athena referred to him as a major during her attacks, which is a lower rank that colonel. So either Chiram military ranks are weird and the ranks of colonel and major are swapped around, or Olson was actually a general and got demoted to colonel while Athena calls him major for whatever reason. Argh, I didn't even notice that - it's meant to be Major General. Frickin' autocorrect must've changed it from MajGen...
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Feb 11, 2015 22:43
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Brunom1 posted:Argh, I didn't even notice that - it's meant to be Major General.
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Feb 11, 2015 23:49
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I don't know if it's exactly the same in the game (though I don't know why it wouldn't be), but according to me just now checking Wikipedia he goes from Maj. Gen. to Captain.
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Caphi posted:I don't know if it's exactly the same in the game (though I don't know why it wouldn't be), but according to me just now checking Wikipedia he goes from Maj. Gen. to Captain. Yah...somehow I misread 大尉 as 大佐.  Welp, Olson just got even further demoted!
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Feb 12, 2015 01:29
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Holy poo poo that Beck  Are we sure he's not really angry because they canceled his own super robot show in favor of Roger's or something?
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Feb 12, 2015 02:41
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I remember seeing the occasional Big O showing on Toonami way back when I was a teen, but goddamn I need to watch that show properly, it looks amazing.
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Feb 12, 2015 05:53
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You should watch Big O. It's fantastic. The dub is one of the best too. Roger will always sound off in this game because he's not Steve Blum.
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Feb 12, 2015 06:04
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SaffronKit posted:I remember seeing the occasional Big O showing on Toonami way back when I was a teen, but goddamn I need to watch that show properly, it looks amazing. That aside, you should check it out. It is heavily inspired by the DCAU from the 90s (as mentioned in the thread, Roger is basically Batman/Bruce Wayne with a giant robot) and is a fun ride. Season 2 is going to feel very different from season 1 though, as I said. E: As for me, Schwartzwald is always going to sound weird in this game since he's not voiced by Michael McConnohie.
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Feb 12, 2015 06:10
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Frankly I'm disappointed the game doesn't give you some sort of special damage bonus for using the O Thunder to off Beck. I mean, not a one-hit KO but still... (and I am shocked, shocked, I say, at the game not giving Beck an afro. Such inaccuracies to the source material  )
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Feb 12, 2015 09:40
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Yay, Beck The Great!  I like how this stage brought together basically all the "I want revenge because RARGH" guys from Rand's world.
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Feb 12, 2015 16:06
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Shame they had to bring in someone to give Renton a pep talk instead of him just getting all his stress out by fighting another revengerer.
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Setsuko Route (Border Patrol) Chapter 34 Prologue Last time on Super Robot Wars Z: Butcher revealed himself to be pretty much the Worst Person Ever to Live. And Kappei cried. A lot.  Toga is loaded up on Prevail. This will probably happen later for him on a route I actually follow up on, but for now a slight boost starting at 50% isn't bad.  The mechs in the squads are unchanged. However, I return Kouji and Tetsuya to the Mazingers, and we're off to the stage itself!  Location: Southern Gallia – Kinshasa – UN Terminal Center Kinshasa is the Congo’s capital.  Let's just check in with Daisuke’s decided to fight in his own way to help both Earth and the universe in general and Umon is willing to support his foster son in whatever he decides.  Here's what Dr. Umon looks like without the gren hologram effect.  Hikaru's dad, Danbei, despite acknowledging that Daisuke’s a fine man, doesn't support his alleged relationship with Hikaru. Furthermore, he really wishes they'd call more often. Hikaru reminds them that Grendizer's alien tech still isn't enough to bridge vast distances, so they can only be in contact when they have some time in a town with U.N. access. Anyway, Hikaru's not in the mood for his nosiness - they're too busy fighting to bring Earthlings and spacemen together!  And Denbei, I think Hikaru must have gotten her looks from her Mom.  Her brother, Goro, jumps in to assure her their dad is just looking out for her; mumbling, Danbei figures he can make do, so long as Hikaru stays safe and promises to give Daisuke hell if she so much as gets a scratch. He promises to do so and Goro sure would like to see them again too - with Kouji and Maria, too. Speaking of which, Umon tells Daisuke that the group Kouji is with is in a former African territory, in case he wants to see his old friends again. "Information about what they're doing has been uploaded to the U.N," he says. "But... they're being backed by ZAFT. Be prepared for that."  Finally, Goro. Who looks like somebody recolored Shiro and stuck a bandanna on him.  Left with that dark note, Daisuke and Hikaru decide to check out that ZEUTH information themselves; Hikaru punches it into the U.N. and gets a file immediately - ZEUTH executing a whole group of alien POWs in cold blood...  Location: Western Gallia – King Beal, Bridge  Kappei wants to take the boat up to space to knock out the Gaizock immediately. Tetsuya and Heizaemon remind him that the Gaizock are allied with basically every other alien army; we'd only be going to our deaths. Eiji and Runa take the kid’s side, saying we can’t let a group willing to do that sort of monstrosity run free and want to go even if we’re outmatched; indeed, Kappei's willing to go all by himself if the King Beal won’t, but Gengoroh forbids it. Even on their own, the Gaizock are too dangerous and he knows Kappei’s aware of that; Uchuta and Keiko still remember how easily Killer the Butcher toyed with them, even with all they threw at him. No one is saying to stop fighting, but we have to accept our limitations and find another way; Kappei now understands how Setsuko felt all this time and figures he’ll also have to get strong enough to beat the Gaizock. Everyone’s with him on this and Kappei promises Hamamoto that he WILL get payback for him.  Löwen has informed Edel and Durandal about the human bombs and the star-shaped scar that marks them; they're doing all they can to find anyone who could be a literal walking bomb, but the bad news is that there's not much they can offer them once they're found. These bombs were beyond the genius of Kazami, so the most either ZAFT or the Federation can do would be to get the victims to a place where they can't hurt anyone else. Löwen reasserts that our best solution is to redouble our efforts at uniting humanity to fight off the threat as one. After all, we're under attack from not just the enemy alliance, but the Zeravire as well. Having been the first to shut down Kappei's idea of "let's just go beat 'em up, god," Tetsuya does suggest that we need intel from space. He has his own suspicions that the aliens are using the Vegan's Skull Moon Fortress as a power base, and it would be really nice to confirm that and gather information on their operations. The AEUG and ZAFT don't have the forces to spare from their own defense, so if we want that data, we'll have to go see it for ourselves. Mizuki points out that the aliens are probably watching ZEUTH specifically so, if we act stupid, we’ll be easy prey to their main force. Löwen has a different proposal - do we know anyone who could give us intel from the moon? Like the Moon Race, for example?  Minako and Sayaka have exchanging messages with Lunamaria from the other route - the headline is that Kihel was the Queen Diana all along, since even before the Break the World. The Phantom Pain attacked at Gibraltar, and in the ensuing skirmish, she made it back onto the Soleil and resumed her identity just in time for the Diana Counter to launch a coup, reject her philosophy of coexistence, cancel the alliance with Plant, and start their own operations. This, of course, makes things awkward for us because we're on our way to tap the Counter for information on what's happening up on the moon. Minako and Maria immediately jump to the obvious solution: let's save the Queen! Jun says they can't - Durandal wants to stay out of Moon Race internal affairs, up to and including coup d'etat - but Minako chirps the obvious - we're not ZAFT.  The guys pick up the conversation, Julie explaining to Kiraken that while we aren't technically under ZAFT's authority, we are accepting their aid, and any consequences of our actions may come back to hit the Chairman and Plant as well. Besides, Toshiya says that humans need to be moving in one direction as much as possible; giving any of Earth's powers an excuse to pick a fight with each other is the last thing we as ZEUTH want to be doing.  Kazami isn’t really listening, pained that his science wasn't enough to fight that of the aliens', not in weapons of war nor in the medicine to heal the human bombs. Julie and Kouji jump in to encourage him. And why not? He's the most brilliant and passionate scientist Kouji's ever met, he's revolutionized humanity's future by inventing Trinity Energy, and - whoops! - Julie lets slip that he's basically done with Godsigma's next powerup. This gets Toshiya’s attention and he desperately wants to hear more, but Julie is leaving the honors to the Professor; sadly, Kazami wants whatever it is to be fully tested before he explains it to them. Until then, Toshiya will just have to wait, and boy, is he excited – at the very least, his attitude serves to brighten Kazami’s mood
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Is it a trope that old-school mecha scientists need to have a mustache because drat. I wonder if they're on a competition where whoever designs the strongest robot gets to keep the 'stache while all others must shave it off. Also, Danbei's looks creep me out more than Theeh's ever could.
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Feb 19, 2015 22:46
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I'm going to just write "Doctor Wily" instead of "Professor Kazami" next time and no one will notice.
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Caphi posted:I'm going to just write "Doctor Wily" instead of "Professor Kazami" next time and no one will notice. That depends on if he waggles his eyebrows properly or not.
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