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I'd be much, much more comfortable with Tim Curry in drag in a restroom with me than, say, Mitch McConnell in a suit edit - probably not John Waters tho
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Although this doesn't have anything to do with gay marriage (I think the thread title needs to change or the discussion needs its own thread), I had a little bit of trouble convincing my ex that the bathroom rules Florida was trying to pass were a bad thing. When I was finally able to hammer down on a FTM friend of hers, it made sense. I asked if he would look appropriate in a women's room, and she said no. People are easy to sweep up into a hysteria over things but once you actually explain things in a way that relates to them, most come around.
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Mar 24, 2016 13:08
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Has anybody in these complete shithouse states actually come out and said how they plan to enforce bathroom laws? I would pay somebody for the opportunity to be a bouncer outside the restrooms at their legislature building so I could demand birth certificates from all these fine lawmakers. It's just not safe to let somebody enter the men's room unless you know what they're packing, you know? I hope we see activists doing like the restroom version of a disputable youtube copyright claim, where they sue a business for endangering their gender purity or whatever and it becomes a big weird clusterfuck as they try to subpoena birth certificates for every person who might have used the bathroom that day. Unfortunately, we won't see that because actually it's expensive to engage our legal system; you'd have to get cooperation from the ACLU or something. It would be a wonderful circus where the court has to be shown that, although this man has very delicate and ladylike hands, his documentation indicates that he, indeed, was allowed to be in that bathroom. See how many cases like that can hit the system before somebody realizes it was maybe a bad idea to make a civil law code about being in the bathroom while expressing ambiguous gender characteristics. Try and set one up where the plaintiff is adamant that some old lady in the third stall was Mitch McConnell in a dress. The court has to hear it, that's the point of putting the law on the books.
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Mar 24, 2016 14:04
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Probably the same way they enforced sodomy laws. Generally as a weapon they pull out when they want to make an example/put someone in their place/feel like it.
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deadly_pudding posted:Has anybody in these complete shithouse states actually come out and said how they plan to enforce bathroom laws? I would pay somebody for the opportunity to be a bouncer outside the restrooms at their legislature building so I could demand birth certificates from all these fine lawmakers. It's just not safe to let somebody enter the men's room unless you know what they're packing, you know? The proposed Kansas law let's people sue businesses for $2500 if they catch a trans person in the "wrong" restroom.
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Mar 24, 2016 15:01
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Kylra posted:Probably the same way they enforced sodomy laws. Generally as a weapon they pull out when they want to make an example/put someone in their place/feel like it. That is exactly how these laws will be used.
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Mar 24, 2016 15:02
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Does it not bother any of the people actually involved in writing and passing these bills that there is zero reasonable means of enforcement?
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jivjov posted:Does it not bother any of the people actually involved in writing and passing these bills that there is zero reasonable means of enforcement? That doesn't come into play at all.
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Aleph Null posted:The proposed Kansas law let's people sue businesses for $2500 if they catch a trans person in the "wrong" restroom. Right, and how's that going to play out? Do you get to assault that person in the women's restroom first to check what they're packing? Or does it have to come out in a court of law whether it was a trans woman in the women's room, or just a cis woman with hairy arms? How many of those cases will have to clog the system and turn out to be the latter case before they realize that maybe paying people $2500 to start a hysterical witch hunt was a bad idea? And, of course, in the vast majority of cases, people don't pay attention to who walks into the bathroom, so Kylra posted:Probably the same way they enforced sodomy laws. Generally as a weapon they pull out when they want to make an example/put someone in their place/feel like it.
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jivjov posted:Does it not bother any of the people actually involved in writing and passing these bills that there is zero reasonable means of enforcement? There was zero reasonable means of enforcement of sodomy laws too, it was just a tool available to gently caress with any gays you happened to come across, which was exactly how it was used in the Texas case that lead to the Lawrence decision. In Malaysia the sodomy law seems to mainly be a way to keep the head of the political opposition in prison
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Who will be the designated gender checker at the restroom? http://www.joemygod.com/2016/03/23/alabama-sanctity-of-marriage-champion-gov-robert-bentley-busted-making-sexy-talk-with-aide-audio/ Alabama Governor Robert Bentley has been caught making a pass at his top aide. He was one of the chief instigators in the 'Sanctity of Marriage' defense bills Alabama tried to pass. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Mar 24, 2016 |
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My favorite part of this law is that the person in the wrong bathroom doesn't even get punished at all, the school does. So I could just strut up to my old college, video tape myself entering a bathroom over and over again and have a friend sue the state for not stopping me. (I figure I'll just enter both so at least I'm illegal in one of those bathrooms and don't require manual checking.) And then donate the money back because hoooooly poo poo Kansas' schools last I heard were still unconstitutionally underfunded. Or push the lawsuit up a court or two and see if any of them realize just how utterly bullshit this law is. EDIT: Should probably mention that I'd do this at odd hours in an odd part of the building so as to not actually disturb anyone peacefully using the bathroom with this wacky form of protest. Krysmphoenix fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Mar 24, 2016 |
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Mar 24, 2016 16:44
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SatansOnion posted:That's a little more in the spirit of Doctor Frank N. Furter  From the planet of Transsexual in the galaxy of Transylvania HUH....I'll show myself out now.
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Krysmphoenix posted:My favorite part of this law is that the person in the wrong bathroom doesn't even get punished at all, the school does. So I could just strut up to my old college, video tape myself entering a bathroom over and over again and have a friend sue the state for not stopping me. (I figure I'll just enter both so at least I'm illegal in one of those bathrooms and don't require manual checking.) And then donate the money back because hoooooly poo poo Kansas' schools last I heard were still unconstitutionally underfunded. Or push the lawsuit up a court or two and see if any of them realize just how utterly bullshit this law is.
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Mar 24, 2016 16:50
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i once went into the woman's bathroom to make out with someone in middle school, which while not really my smartest moment leaves me wondering if that's still cool
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SubponticatePoster posted:Frank was a (sweet) transvestite, not transgendered! These guys view it the same way, thought. Transgenders are just transvestites who want to get a peek in the opposite genders bathroom. That's literally how they view it.
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Mar 24, 2016 16:54
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mandatory lesbian posted:i once went into the woman's bathroom to make out with someone in middle school, which while not really my smartest moment leaves me wondering if that's still cool Making out with middle school kids it not cool. Mods?
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SubponticatePoster posted:From the planet of Transsexual in the galaxy of Transylvania In the state of New Jersey!
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mandatory lesbian posted:i once went into the woman's bathroom to make out with someone in middle school, which while not really my smartest moment leaves me wondering if that's still cool Wait, you mean you're not a lesbian? Ugh I feel so violated. Mods?
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jivjov posted:Please tell me this can get taken up to federal court and overturned...right? Here's a copy of the NC law: http://ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/House/PDF/H2v1.pdf It has a bunch of moving parts: 1) Mandating biologically gendered bathrooms in schools I think this will be tested under rational basis, with the added difficulty of, "but the children" 2) Mandating biologically gendered bathrooms in state facilities Probably rational basis, again. With regard to state universities, a broad view of Title IX might be used to force some change 3) State preemption of work compensation rules (i.e., cities can't enact a higher minimum wage or better vacation time, etc) This isn't a Romer situation for two reasons; the preemption is content neutral, and the state is not precluding any future changes, just saying that any change will have to happen at the state government level rather than at the city or county level. Preemption is a near-absolute right of the states. The way to crack this will be to wait and see if the state only seeks to enforce its preemption of local regulation against LGBT regulations. Probably not, because there has also been a push for state preemption of local wage, safety and environmental rules (this is the ALEC angle) 4) State preemption of county or city contracting special conditions See (3), above 5) State preemption of regulation of discriminatory employment practices See (3), above 6) You can't sue the state if you don't like this policy Will slow things down, but won't survive. 7) State preemption of regulation of discrimination in public accommodations and declaration that designating bathrooms by biological gender is not discriminatory Again, probably rational basis, but the inclusion of the bathroom issue might make an opening for an animus argument. (but that's a big stretch) 8) You can't sue the state if you don't like this policy Will slow things down, but won't survive. 9) If any part of the Act is found unconstitutional, the rest of it survives. This is standard for potentially controversial legislation, totally legal. I think transgender issues are going to have to perk for a little longer before they get any legal traction. It's just not on enough people's radar. Has anyone seen a good rational basis argument for bathroom accommodations?
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Mar 24, 2016 18:23
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Every business will have to hire someone to stand in front of every bathroom to make sure you have the correct genitals. Job creators!
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Mar 24, 2016 18:39
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Teflon Don posted:Every business will have to hire someone to stand in front of every bathroom to make sure you have the correct genitals. Job creators!
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Mar 24, 2016 18:41
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Teflon Don posted:Every business will have to hire someone to stand in front of every bathroom to make sure you have the correct genitals. Job creators! finally a career choice for sex offenders.
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Mar 24, 2016 18:42
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Teflon Don posted:Every business will have to hire someone to stand in front of every bathroom to make sure you have the correct genitals. Job creators! A starter job for prospective TSA agents. You could pay $85 and have you junk examined at the local DMV one time and get a pre-check pass!
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Meanwhile I'm certain some asshat in Lansing is getting ideas. Good ones apparently. tl;dr State Superintendent makes a proposal to the Board of Education to recommend to schools ways to help QUILTBAG kids. With specific focus on Trans* kids.
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Mar 24, 2016 19:22
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NuclearEagleFox!!! posted:Good ones apparently. lol that's going to backfire spectacularly.
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that north carolina law is possibly the most ridiculous law i've ever seen passed anywhere just for the sheer variety of incredibly lovely things is does, and the fact that it was literally rammed through the legislature in like an hour only makes it more soToplowtech posted:If anything it's a good time to start asking/campaigning for unisex bathrooms. didn't one of these proposed bills ban gender neutral bathrooms? someone who i'm friends with on facebook posts a lot about these things and i'm pretty sure that they mentioned that at some point
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Mar 24, 2016 21:07
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IceAgeComing posted:didn't one of these proposed bills ban gender neutral bathrooms? someone who i'm friends with on facebook posts a lot about these things and i'm pretty sure that they mentioned that at some point Yes several have tried that and it's ludicrous. There's all sorts of business out there that just have gender neutral bathrooms because it's way cheaper for them to only build a single-occupant bathroom or two then to build a properly compliant set of at least two different bathrooms with multiple stalls and one's handicapped etc.
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Mar 24, 2016 21:14
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Voting for that law should be considered to be probable cause to check a laptop for child porn because I'm pretty sure they just voted for dong checks in school
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Mar 24, 2016 21:16
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Yeahhhhh good luck convincing these people about something like gender neutral bathrooms when we can't even get them to accept that people who may look like them may not have the same plumbing as you
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Hey Mikey I see you going to the bathroom but I gotta be sure this is ~biologically correct~ of you, whip it out bro. No I'm not gay I'm just super into following the law.
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I imagine more innocent children are going to be way more confused and upset when they see someone who looks and talks and is dressed like a woman walking into the little boys room and when they ask why that lady is in there the parents have to explain its because she actually has a dick.
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I think the best way to fight this would be to just start reporting legislatures under the law. " The senator has not proven that he biologically a man, I believe him to be a woman".
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Mar 24, 2016 21:35
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Looks like these lawmakers need to watch Starship Troopers
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Teflon Don posted:Looks like these lawmakers need to watch Starship Troopers But they would not like to know more 
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mandatory lesbian posted:i once went into the woman's bathroom to make out with someone in middle school, which while not really my smartest moment leaves me wondering if that's still cool Even dumber was admitting to making out with a middle schooler on an Internet forum I'm sending a link to the FBI 
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Please don't think too badly of North Carolina for all this. The majority of the state voted democrat last election by something like 52%. We didn't want these bigots in power but they gerrymandered so hard they turned an electoral loss into a supermajority. If this happened in a non white people country it would be held up as evidence of a dictatorship.
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Mar 25, 2016 05:10
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Teflon Don posted:Looks like these lawmakers need to watch Starship Troopers Those lawmakers would be the same idiots who don't realize the movie is making fun of the source material.
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galagazombie posted:Please don't think too badly of North Carolina for all this. The majority of the state voted democrat last election by something like 52%. We didn't want these bigots in power but they gerrymandered so hard they turned an electoral loss into a supermajority. If this happened in a non white people country it would be held up as evidence of a dictatorship. Where does this information come from? NC voted Romney over Obama 50-48 in 2012, and Tillis (R) defeated incumbent Hagan (D) in 2014.
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I think he means that in 2014, the total votes for all representatives was 52% D, but resulted in an R supermajority.
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