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Nintendo Kid posted:In order to stalk or harass people with it, they'd first have to care about it during the likely 5 month span of time before their non-existent business model collapses due to no new money flowing in. Judging by the online reaction so far I doubt it's going to launch in the first place. The Twitter pages of the site and both of its founders have been switched to 'protected' (ironically enough) and pretty much everyone talking about it right now thinks it's an absolutely horrible idea.
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Remember the Secret Service hearings a few months ago, when Congress gave them a dressing down for their incompetence? While one hearing was literally ongoing, Secret Service agents were accessing the old failed job application for the chairman of the House oversight committee, Jason Chafetz: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0df7dcec3bea4883a7c76985f92ec599/investigation-secret-service-tried-discredit-us-lawmaker AP posted:Employees accessed Chaffetz's 2003 application for a Secret Service job starting 18 minutes after the start of a congressional hearing in March about the latest scandal involving drunken behavior by senior agents. Some forwarded the information to others. At least 45 employees viewed the file. Top brass at the Secret Service sent out emails asking for the failed job application to be leaked, and it was. AP posted:One week later, Assistant Director Ed Lowery suggested leaking embarrassing information about Chaffetz in retaliation for aggressive investigations by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee into a series of agency missteps and scandals, the report said. Days later, on April 2, the information about Chaffetz unsuccessfully applying for a job at the Secret Service was published by The Daily Beast, an Internet publication Somehow the reporting mechanisms (and apparently the laws) that were in place to ensure that this kind of stuff got reported wound up not being followed. AP posted:The inspector general said that under U.S. law and Secret Service rules, employees were required to report such behavior to supervisors. The investigation found that 18 supervisors or members of the agency's senior executive service knew or should have known that employees had improperly accessed Chaffetz's job application, but only one person attempted to inform the Secret Service director, Joseph Clancy. Don't worry, I'm sure this kind of thing doesn't happen with the NSA databases.
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SubG posted:I'm pretty sure their business model is getting acquired by Facebook or Google or some other industry giant with more cash than scruple and who is already in the market of monetizing being a creepy stalker. Which is more or less the internet business model. If it's anything like Yelp, a good business model would be where people could pay them money to put the good reviews first or hide bad ones.
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Oct 1, 2015 04:27
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Thank goodness no one cares about online privacy any more. Otherwise, you might be really upset that The Intercept just revealed that GHCQ is doing as much as, if not more than, the NSA to track down who you are and what you're doing online (not to mention what and when you post on SA). I posted this in another thread, but I'll ask this here too. I haven't seen anything on this in major media outlets, not even in the loving Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/uk/gchq Have they lost interest? What's goin on.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:As if unchecked government surveillance wasn't chilling enough, a pair of bubbly lunatics is pitching "Peeple" to Silicon Valley venture capitalists and tech bros. Uh, are you aware that people can already post bad things about other people online, without giving the victim the option to remove the posting? That site will add nothing to online harassment, and is unlikely to build much userbase since Twitter and blogs already monopolize the "complaining about other people" market. It's also unlikely to get bought, because a teen drama and bullying archive with no userbase isn't particularly valuable to advertisers.
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Main Paineframe posted:Uh, are you aware that people can already post bad things about other people online, without giving the victim the option to remove the posting? That site will add nothing to online harassment, and is unlikely to build much userbase since Twitter and blogs already monopolize the "complaining about other people" market. It's also unlikely to get bought, because a teen drama and bullying archive with no userbase isn't particularly valuable to advertisers. I dunno, this is sort of the vision I have for the future. Its not unreasonable to assume you'll use augmented reality to, say look at a restaurant and see its rating, read reviews, look at the menu. Its not weird to look at a subway stop and see a map and have it direct you to where you're going. It also won't be weird to look at a person and see a rating, read reviews, see places they've been/people they know/interests, etc. This idea may be premature for now, but something like that is absolutely coming. Plus the idea is obviously to develop the idea and then be bought up and have the system implemented into a larger operation.
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RaySmuckles posted:I dunno, this is sort of the vision I have for the future. Its not unreasonable to assume you'll use augmented reality to, say look at a restaurant and see its rating, read reviews, look at the menu. Its not weird to look at a subway stop and see a map and have it direct you to where you're going. It also won't be weird to look at a person and see a rating, read reviews, see places they've been/people they know/interests, etc. This idea may be premature for now, but something like that is absolutely coming. Plus the idea is obviously to develop the idea and then be bought up and have the system implemented into a larger operation. Only for party members, homie. Proles are gonna have to do without rate-my-dick apps and VR GPS infographics guiding them to subway so they can eat fresh
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RaySmuckles posted:I dunno, this is sort of the vision I have for the future. Its not unreasonable to assume you'll use augmented reality to, say look at a restaurant and see its rating, read reviews, look at the menu. Its not weird to look at a subway stop and see a map and have it direct you to where you're going. It also won't be weird to look at a person and see a rating, read reviews, see places they've been/people they know/interests, etc. This idea may be premature for now, but something like that is absolutely coming. Plus the idea is obviously to develop the idea and then be bought up and have the system implemented into a larger operation. The lamest future.
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RaySmuckles posted:I dunno, this is sort of the vision I have for the future. Its not unreasonable to assume you'll use augmented reality to, say look at a restaurant and see its rating, read reviews, look at the menu. Its not weird to look at a subway stop and see a map and have it direct you to where you're going. It also won't be weird to look at a person and see a rating, read reviews, see places they've been/people they know/interests, etc. This idea may be premature for now, but something like that is absolutely coming. Plus the idea is obviously to develop the idea and then be bought up and have the system implemented into a larger operation. I'm just going to point out that a few years back people swore Google Glass or a clone would totally be mass market by now thus making all the augmented reality stuff finally commonplace and blah blah. Frankly I don't think it's going to be something that actually takes off until you can spend like the equivalent of $50 current money to get that stuff put in your eye and not need charging etc. It's kind of like cars that turn into planes: yeah you can get it, in fact you can get it for a while now, but as time goes on it becomes more clear that it's just not going to be the thing everyone has.
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RaySmuckles posted:I dunno, this is sort of the vision I have for the future. Its not unreasonable to assume you'll use augmented reality to, say look at a restaurant and see its rating, read reviews, look at the menu. Its not weird to look at a subway stop and see a map and have it direct you to where you're going. It also won't be weird to look at a person and see a rating, read reviews, see places they've been/people they know/interests, etc. This idea may be premature for now, but something like that is absolutely coming. Plus the idea is obviously to develop the idea and then be bought up and have the system implemented into a larger operation. The difference between person-rating and those other things is that no one's particularly interested in seeing an on-demand list of people who hate the person you're looking at. Seeing a restaurant's menu or mapping is useful, which is why services doing those have existed for over a decade. Seeing rants and whines about every person you look at is not useful, has major usability concerns (for example, being blinded by an endless array of racist rants every time the President shows up on TV), and is actually incredibly undesirable for any platform to include by default. Regardless of the state of technology, it's just a dumb thing that doesn't provide any useful information to people.
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This Peeple business is pretty much how that scifi novella Manna got started. An integrated business management solution that could blacklist employees, which effectively doomed millions of people to unemployment since everyone was using the system. The story eventually leads to a socialist utopia Australia on the cusp of a technosingularity (lol). Except in our world it's probably going to end up as nothing greater than the most utilized and profitable ransomware scam. All the owners would have to do would be to rightfully count on the sick, dark, trolling heart of the internet to render pretty much every identity besmirched and then ask for a fee to take the libel down. Kind of like those sites that aggregate personal contact information of people.
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Oct 1, 2015 17:08
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Dr. Killjoy posted:This Peeple business is pretty much how that scifi novella Manna got started. An integrated business management solution that could blacklist employees, which effectively doomed millions of people to unemployment since everyone was using the system. The story eventually leads to a socialist utopia Australia on the cusp of a technosingularity (lol). Except in our world it's probably going to end up as nothing greater than the most utilized and profitable ransomware scam. All the owners would have to do would be to rightfully count on the sick, dark, trolling heart of the internet to render pretty much every identity besmirched and then ask for a fee to take the libel down. Kind of like those sites that aggregate personal contact information of people. I think aggressively sliming every person on the site from the beginning would be a good thing, as it would prevent anyone from taking the site seriously in the first place.
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RaySmuckles posted:I dunno, this is sort of the vision I have for the future. Its not unreasonable to assume you'll use augmented reality to, say look at a restaurant and see its rating, read reviews, look at the menu. Its not weird to look at a subway stop and see a map and have it direct you to where you're going. It also won't be weird to look at a person and see a rating, read reviews, see places they've been/people they know/interests, etc. This idea may be premature for now, but something like that is absolutely coming. Plus the idea is obviously to develop the idea and then be bought up and have the system implemented into a larger operation. Using augmented reality for maps and information on places is very useful and not weird at all. Using augmented reality as Terminator vision to see what assholes think of random people is loving ridiculous and something no one wants, regardless of some futurist's half-baked sci-fi wank fantasies. Anyone with a basic understanding of how foul and vicious social media can get knows this is a horrendous idea regardless of how it's delivered technologically.
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There's been things like that before and they either get closed down real fast or sued to hell and back. ninja edit: 5/5 would bang again
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Before any sort of augmented reality is going to use this system, the system has to exist and be widely adopted. That won't happen.
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Lulu has been around for awhile for girls to rate guys.  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.luluvise.android&hl=en
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computer parts posted:Before any sort of augmented reality is going to use this system, the system has to exist and be widely adopted. Yeah I'm not sure how augmented reality entered this conversation but I don't see either happening, let alone both. Pretty much everyone with a modicum of common sense who's heard of Peeple thinks it's a terrible idea so there's little chance of it making it off the ground. Augmented reality won't take off either until they figure out a delivery method that doesn't involve an intrusive camera attached to a pair of ugly nerd-goggles dependent on a very limited battery.
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size1one posted:Lulu has been around for awhile for girls to rate guys. Yeah, after it turned into a harmless a "guys have to opt-in" system that made it just another dating app.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Yeah, after it turned into a harmless a "guys have to opt-in" system that made it just another dating app. It's not an opt-in system. lulu posted:Guys can appear on Lulu in two ways. They can sign up to appear on Lulu or they can be added by a female friend. Edit: what I believe changed from the original version is that guys can add themselves now and it's possible to opt-out.
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size1one posted:It's not an opt-in system. Ugh, sorry, media accounts of the app have been ridiculously calling it an opt-in system when it's actually an opt-out system. 
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Trabisnikof posted:You're going to be horrified when you learn what we did in the '90s, '80s, '70s, '60s, '50s, etc. But you are of course right regarding the actions during the cold war. Still, there is an objective and a subjective side to that. The subjective side is that when I grew up, america was always seen, well, as the champion of freedom and democracy (mostly in contrast to the USSR obviously). By now it sadly became obvious that that was a far to naive assessment that needs to be re-evaluated and that "friendship" with the US is a kinda abusive relationship. There may also be a cultural difference at play: here in germany the were multiple occasions where a combination of policeforce and intelligence service (like the FBI nowadays) did alot of damage (the gestapo during the 3rd reich and the Stasi in eastern germany). For that reason police and intelligence are strictly separated here. Now, I dont want to liken the FBI to the stasi/gestapo (that would be kinda dumb). However the infrastructure that has been build up in america is one that would make even the worst nazi/eastern bloc service very, very proud (and jealous). To repeat myself: im talking about the infrastructure only! I dont at all think that the people working at NSA/FBI have anything in common with some gestapo officer. But just wait till the next nixon is sitting in the white house and starts looking for creative ways to get rid of a few pesky journalists - I mean how often does some intelligence official get the chance to do the sitting president a personal favour? Combed Thunderclap posted:Still, further evidence for the theory that people continue to see satire as something to emulate, rather than taking the hint that if you do that you might just be batshit crazy.  I say be done with it and just rename it to the "ministry of love".
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Oct 1, 2015 19:20
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Snowden forgot to turn off his Twitter notifications. What a scrub. #nohero
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Nektu posted:NSA advertisement:  Rhesus Pieces posted:Using augmented reality for maps and information on places is very useful and not weird at all. Like pick some random megathread on SA about some subject goons love. It's going to be like a loving thousand pages long and a dreadful slog to get through even if you're totally into the subject and have all the time in the world. And that's inside a gated and moderated community.
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Oct 1, 2015 22:00
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The White House won't push for requiring encryption backdoors by law, but will continue lobbying private industry to do so.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:The White House won't push for requiring encryption backdoors by law, but will continue lobbying private industry to do so. the free market works
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Tell me if I'm an idiot or not (who has watched too many dumb movies) but what is the possibility of these enforce security backdoors being found and exploited by hackers?
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Tell me if I'm an idiot or not (who has watched too many dumb movies) but what is the possibility of these enforce security backdoors being found and exploited by hackers? 100% given enough time. Same goes for all security we're currently aware of beyond one time pads.
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Nintendo Kid posted:100% given enough time. Same goes for all security we're currently aware of beyond one time pads. But this is not to say that we should shrug our shoulders and say "well that's the cost of doing encryption". The security of a message encrypted today can generally be determined as a factor of the perceived security of the algorithm used to encrypt the message (for example, SHA-1 is nominally still secure, but the time horizon for its usefulness is on the order of months, so any cryptographer worth his salt has already moved away from using it). Irrespective of the perceived security of the algorithm itself, however, a message is only as secure as the keys used to encrypt and decrypt that message. If you give up your keys to someone you didn't want to give them to, your messages are no longer secure, even if you used a perfectly-secure one-time pad. The problem that the "backdoor" introduces is not necessarily algorithmic weaknesses (although it is true that it provides a secondary "attack surface" that could render algorithms inherently weaker), but rather, an additional spot to leak a key that cannot be defended against through whatever best practices you use. With a "backdoor", the security of an encrypted message is not only dependent on your own password security, but also dependent on the government keeping its backdoor keys secure from (for example) social engineering, too. And as the recent 3-D printed TSA master keys demonstrate, that's probably not a safe bet. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Oct 10, 2015 |
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Oct 10, 2015 03:19
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Has the NSA infact been turned town several pegs since Snowden's acts of heroism/turncoating last year or so?
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To no one's surprise they have been doing this to a lot of Snowden's allies
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Grouchio posted:Has the NSA infact been turned town several pegs since Snowden's acts of heroism/turncoating last year or so? There's no way to know, but that's extremely doubtful, being a practically unaccountable covert agency and all.
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Nintendo Kid posted:There's no way to know, but that's extremely doubtful, being a practically unaccountable covert agency and all. Fishmech don't be coy and act like you don't literally work for the NSA. You literally, verifiably work for the NSA, and imo the fact that they employ you is one of the most convincing arguments against what they do being in the public's interest.
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Broken Machine posted:Fishmech don't be coy and act like you don't literally work for the NSA. You literally, verifiably work for the NSA, and imo the fact that they employ you is one of the most convincing arguments against what they do being in the public's interest. I really don't dude. I'm a photographer in real life these days.
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Nintendo Kid posted:I really don't dude. I'm a photographer in real life these days. ok but you do at least admit that you did so it's a bit lovely to mislead people like that
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Broken Machine posted:Fishmech don't be coy and act like you don't literally work for the NSA. You literally, verifiably work for the NSA, and imo the fact that they employ you is one of the most convincing arguments against what they do being in the public's interest. what's this then
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Broken Machine posted:ok but you do at least admit that you did so it's a bit lovely to mislead people like that Mislead people how, exactly? Like it doesn't require special access to take this picture: 
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Oct 10, 2015 16:43
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I have a friend who works for the NSA She smuggled me a bottle of Havana Club before the end of the embargo
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I have a friend who works for the NSA your bottle is superior to other bottles due to historicity
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