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Mirthless posted:Is it just me or is this comic endorsing Nazism? No no no! It's okay! They're oppressing Muslims!
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Jun 9, 2014 21:45
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Yeah, that one's really good. What's the source image?
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Jun 9, 2014 21:51
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 It's an abolitionist cartoon by Josiah Wedgwood.
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Jun 9, 2014 21:53
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Ammat The Ankh posted:
The image also featured quite heavily in one of the more memorable quiet moments in Bioshock Infinite, which is certainly where I saw it first. 
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Jun 9, 2014 21:57
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Somfin posted:
I don't get the reference. Can someone enlighten me?
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Jun 9, 2014 21:59
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hhhat posted:I don't get the reference. Can someone enlighten me? In addition to the slavery images above, Guantanamo Bay prisoners in their outdoor time- 
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Jun 9, 2014 22:08
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I'm pretty sure Payne only has one Smugbama head and he keeps on pasting it into every single goddamn cartoon.
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JohnnyCanuck posted:I'm pretty sure Payne only has one Smugbama head and he keeps on pasting it into every single goddamn cartoon. Head? Yes. Expression? No. 
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hhhat posted:I don't get the reference. Can someone enlighten me? That image was really central to the British abolitionist movement, which was the first successful movement to eliminate slavery in a Western country and one of the first examples of successful civil society activism.
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Somfin posted:
Yeah, it really is. That was one of the more striking anti-slavery propaganda pieces. I find it particularly striking since the original and the update both involve issues/eras where there are John Browns who believe "that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with blood."
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Jun 9, 2014 23:35
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Mike the TV posted:In addition to the slavery images above, Guantanamo Bay prisoners in their outdoor time- Thanks - knew about the abolitionist piece, not about the Guantanamo outfits. Dude looked like a raver that got lost somewhere.
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Mike the TV posted:In addition to the slavery images above, Guantanamo Bay prisoners in their outdoor time- This is really, really depressing. And that cartoon is a fuckin slam dunk 
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whitey delenda est posted:This is really, really depressing. What disturbs me about Guantanamo is that I can't think of a single goddamn reason to keep the place active anymore. It has done so much damage to the country's reputation, it's caused so much obvious pain to so many people, and I can't imagine the mindset of any of the people who work there. The only reason I can think of to keep it open is that there's something going on there that is even more horrible than what has already been leaked. The people who make the decision, every year, to keep the thing running must actually think that the ongoing damage is worth it.
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Redeye Flight posted:Yes, Tinsley. Yes. You're so close. Sober.
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Somfin posted:What disturbs me about Guantanamo is that I can't think of a single goddamn reason to keep the place active anymore. It has done so much damage to the country's reputation, it's caused so much obvious pain to so many people, and I can't imagine the mindset of any of the people who work there. The only reason I can think of to keep it open is that there's something going on there that is even more horrible than what has already been leaked. The people who make the decision, every year, to keep the thing running must actually think that the ongoing damage is worth it. The only thing I can think of is that the people inside have been mistreated so horribly that there really isn't anything to do with them but keep them there. What are they gonna do with their freedom, not devote their lives to taking down America?
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loquacius posted:The only thing I can think of is that the people inside have been mistreated so horribly that there really isn't anything to do with them but keep them there. What are they gonna do with their freedom, not devote their lives to taking down America? Well, that, and look what happened when we just let 5 of them out. Letting people out of there is such a clusterfuck of WEAK ON TERROR that augh those poor people in there.
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pkfan2004 posted:Head? Yes. Expression? No. Okay, I'm getting a Clone High vibe with that image. Am I weird?
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Basically the problem is that there's actually nowhere for Guantanamo inmates to go. There are people locked up there who have been completely cleared, but some can't be released because their home country won't accept them due to the stigma associated with being a detainee. For those who can potentially be repatriated, there's no guarantee that they won't be tortured by foreign governments. The alternative is to send them to a third country which is understandably complex, or to put them through the American legal system which lol, congress has barred the government from doing. The US has realised that it's tough to get rid of people you've tortured for years who may understandably be inclined to radicalism, and their solution is "welp too bad I guess".
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Mister Beeg posted:Okay, I'm getting a Clone High vibe with that image. Am I weird? No, I thought about it too.
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I wish I could have been a fly on the wall during Obama's post-election discussions with whomever he consults about something like Gitmo. He made if such a major component of his 2008 campaign that I have to think he intended to do it. Then he got there and someone got in his ear and he concluded that he couldn't close it even though it meant breaking a major campaign promise that was very much on the record many times. Considering how much gets made of politicians just changing their minds about something (gotcha you dirty flip flopper!) he had to know he was handing political opponents a major gift. But he was clearly convinced this was the path he had to take. I would really love to know why.
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BBJoey posted:or to put them through the American legal system which lol, congress has barred the government from doing. The US has realised that it's tough to get rid of people you've tortured for years who may understandably be inclined to radicalism, and their solution is "welp too bad I guess". Your legislative is actually able to forbid people your country considers criminals from being prosecuted under your country's own legal system? That's rich. 
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Thermos H Christ posted:Considering how much gets made of politicians just changing their minds about something (gotcha you dirty flip flopper!) he had to know he was handing political opponents a major gift. Was he though? I mean, no Democrat wanted to challenge Obama for the 2012 nomination, and we all know drat well that no Republican will ever dare criticize him for not closing Guantánamo, when a big chunk of their racist fearmongering is about how B-Rock The Islamic Shock is going to set all the terrorists free and give the Taliban our nuclear launch codes.
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Randler posted:Your legislative is actually able to forbid people your country considers criminals from being prosecuted under your country's own legal system? That's rich. They're able to block people from being sent to their own states' prisons, as I understand it. And they've all done that because TERRISTS IN MAH BACKYARD so, welp.
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VitalSigns posted:Was he though? I mean, no Democrat wanted to challenge Obama for the 2012 nomination, and we all know drat well that no Republican will ever dare criticize him for not closing Guantánamo, when a big chunk of their racist fearmongering is about how B-Rock The Islamic Shock is going to set all the terrorists free and give the Taliban our nuclear launch codes. I think in this case the gift he was handing them was that they could claim bipartisan consensus on the issue validated GWB doing it.
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VitalSigns posted:Was he though? I mean, no Democrat wanted to challenge Obama for the 2012 nomination, and we all know drat well that no Republican will ever dare criticize him for not closing Guantánamo, when a big chunk of their racist fearmongering is about how B-Rock The Islamic Shock is going to set all the terrorists free and give the Taliban our nuclear launch codes. They wouldn't have to say that Guantanamo should be closed to criticize him, just point out that he is a big old liar/promise breaker and thus not presidential material. They'd have film of him promising it over and over and over. That kind of "gotcha" can be very damaging in the game of soundbyte politics.
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Thermos H Christ posted:They wouldn't have to say that Guantanamo should be closed to criticize him, just point out that he is a big old liar/promise breaker and thus not presidential material. They'd have film of him promising it over and over and over. That kind of "gotcha" can be very damaging in the game of soundbyte politics. See: George H. W. Bush; "Read my lips: no new taxes"
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Thermos H Christ posted:They wouldn't have to say that Guantanamo should be closed to criticize him, just point out that he is a big old liar/promise breaker and thus not presidential material. They'd have film of him promising it over and over and over. That kind of "gotcha" can be very damaging in the game of soundbyte politics. Okayyy, but then you can't campaign on "we kept the Muslim president from letting the terrists go" simultaneously. At least with GHW Bush, Clinton was also promising not to raise taxes in the campaign so criticizing Bush's promise made sense. Seriously, the campaign ads would have looked like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vey7GKNpl4Q
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VitalSigns posted:Okayyy, but then you can't campaign on "we kept the Muslim president from letting the terrists go" simultaneously. At least with GHW Bush, Clinton was also promising not to raise taxes in the campaign so criticizing Bush's promise made sense. They could have gone after Obama by saying he was a neophyte who didn't know what he was talking about and made big promises not based on knowledge or principle, but just because the wind was blowing that way and he wanted to be elected. Once he got elected he promptly broke that promise because it turns out GWB was right and we do need Guantanamo. The Republicans had been saying that all along. They had the smarts to know what needed to be done and the courage to speak their minds even if it was unpopular at the time. Obama is a lying snake and a hack who can't be trusted not to change course whenever it suits him. Don't vote for Barack Obama. Of course they ended up running Mitt Romney on the platform of repealing
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edit, nevermind. Enough beret chat already.Rulebook Heavily posted:
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Jun 10, 2014 04:12
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This is why it should be legal for me to own a fully operational FGM-148 Javelin. Also I want to take it with me to get tacos.
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So some guy who wrote what I'm sure is an entirely objective look at "the truth" about global warming has filed a human rights complaint against the Victoria Times-Colonist for running this cartoon: Not sure if the video is viewable outside  , but he claims that the cartoon is ignorant and intended to incite hatred and then compares it to homophobia, anti-semitism and racism.Eat your heart out, Rick Perry.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:
I get what Two Bulls is trying to say with this comic, but it doesn't really work. An African-American wearing a traditional African dress would be perfectly acceptable, it should be a White dude or something.
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Somfin posted:What disturbs me about Guantanamo is that I can't think of a single goddamn reason to keep the place active anymore. It has done so much damage to the country's reputation, it's caused so much obvious pain to so many people, and I can't imagine the mindset of any of the people who work there. The only reason I can think of to keep it open is that there's something going on there that is even more horrible than what has already been leaked. The people who make the decision, every year, to keep the thing running must actually think that the ongoing damage is worth it. The facility exists for purely political reasons, to sustain the narrative that tens of millions of bearded psychos are dog paddling across the oceans to cut out heads off with steak knives. There is at least one person there that is innocent if not most of them, some of them have already been cleared of charges without even a trial. They are in limbo, the discarded campaign posters for a narrative that is already obsolete. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_longer_enemy_combatant
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