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ol qwerty bastard posted:(lol @ israel being all altruistic and humanitarian by letting people in and then their downfall was palestinians singing too loud) I haven't seen the film but I was listening to a podcast that spoke about this and the Israelis saying they built the wall cause they had experience doing it it and were listening to a gut feeling which is something they did a lot in israel apparently lol which seems a bit overt even for a Hollywood film
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there are many hot babes in tel aviv. u ever seen a super hot jewess babe with a m16 slu gon her in a bikini? i have.
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Sep 13, 2013 10:25
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for real are there any good (or heaven help me "classic") pre-dumbass-craze zombie books? like a counterpart to wwz in the same way that dracula is to twilight or the lord of the rings is to eragon? or is it just the movies that aren't worthless?
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Sep 13, 2013 12:21
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Closest thing I can think of is I Am Legend but they're not really zombies.
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Sep 13, 2013 12:24
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return of the living dead is the only zombie film i need
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Sep 13, 2013 15:57
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Shaggar posted:also the federation has infinite energy and infinite resources to give to these people to build new homes. its not even slightly like someone in our time losing their home. and they had been there for like 10 years they could take literally all their possession, which in theory federation citizens dont even care about because ~evolved humans~, and go to any other planet it wasnt like this was their ancestral home. it wasnt like the tng episode with the native americans who had been relocated to the one planet and then were being told to leave yet again after having been there for some hundred years. it was literally a bunch of federation citizens upset they couldnt have an unreasonable and stupid demand. honestly, it was believable because people put great weight and attachment to the exact spot of dirt they live on and always act batshit about "their homes"
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Sep 13, 2013 16:07
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Sham bam bamina! posted:for real are there any good (or heaven help me "classic") pre-dumbass-craze zombie books? like a counterpart to wwz in the same way that dracula is to twilight or the lord of the rings is to eragon? or is it just the movies that aren't worthless? the 1978 dawn of the dead is a really great movie
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Sep 13, 2013 16:07
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oh yeah so a deepness in the sky is a fun read sometimes all the plotting and the overabundence of characters gets a bit confusing but nothing that can't be solved by a few seconds of "i thought benny was dead? no wait that was jimmy. and this underville person is not the same as underhill"
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Sep 13, 2013 16:11
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:and they had been there for like well, they aren't really model federation citizens. humans in the federation that want more than they're allotted on earth are "encouraged" to either join Starfleet or become a colonist. either way their drive serves the federation. those who cant abide are ostracized and leave the federation. the maquis are folks that didn't want what they had on earth AND thought settling near cardasia was a good idea. So while yes picking up and moving really isn't a big deal, they don't want help from the federation and the federation doesnt really want them anyways.
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Sep 13, 2013 16:12
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Shaggar posted:well, they aren't really model federation citizens. humans in the federation that want more than they're allotted on earth are "encouraged" to either join Starfleet or become a colonist. either way their drive serves the federation. those who cant abide are ostracized and leave the federation. the maquis are folks that didn't want what they had on earth AND thought settling near cardasia was a good idea. So while yes picking up and moving really isn't a big deal, they don't want help from the federation and the federation doesnt really want them anyways. fair enough stuff like tasha yar's rapeplanet and the colonists showed that not every human was an "enlightened federation citizen" but the series should have done a lot more with that. the conflicts between federation humans and every other human civilization could have been a good story.
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Sep 13, 2013 16:16
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the rape planet was federation propaganda. (tng was poorly written)
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Sep 13, 2013 16:19
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Shaggar posted:the rape planet was federation propaganda. (tng was poorly written) uh pretty sure tasha talked about the rape gangs, and then when they went there it was an absolutely massive shithole of rear end in a top hat idiots who kept trying to kill the everliving poo poo out of each other and themselves
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Sep 13, 2013 16:20
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yeah it was pretty loving dumb
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Sep 13, 2013 16:20
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Shaggar posted:yeah it was pretty loving dumb whys that? i think that was the first time they showed a non federation human planet ok it was kind of dumb that it was "look how bad it is!! no federation!! literally murdering each other because they threw out the federation!!"
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Sep 13, 2013 16:23
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these people aren't Federation (American) therefore their all rapey savages
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Sep 13, 2013 16:23
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tng was black and white morality tales for autists
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Sep 13, 2013 16:24
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Shaggar posted:tng was black and white morality tales for autists yeh i guess shaggar is right its still enjoyable until the ds9 blurays come out
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Shaggar posted:also the federation has infinite energy and infinite resources to give to these people to build new homes. its not even slightly like someone in our time losing their home. yeah. god there are some really terrible posters in that thread. Shaggar posted:tng was black and white morality tales for autists what's sad is there were times when the writers wanted to gray it up a bit and the producers shot them down. the episode about space terrorists was originally meant to end with Picard realizing he was taking the side of the oppressor, but instead it got watered down to "we got some lectures from both sides and then we beat up the terrorists."
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Sep 13, 2013 16:45
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Shaggar posted:tos was half black and half white morality tales for autists
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Sep 13, 2013 16:48
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:what's sad is there were times when the writers wanted to gray it up a bit and the producers shot them down. the episode about space terrorists was originally meant to end with Picard realizing he was taking the side of the oppressor, but instead it got watered down to "we got some lectures from both sides and then we beat up the terrorists." wasnt it gene who refused to allow any kind of serious conflict to be a part of the show, which is why ds9 was so much better because he had nothing to do with it?
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ol qwerty bastard posted:(lol @ israel being all altruistic and humanitarian by letting people in and then their downfall was palestinians singing too loud) are you making GBS threads me
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Hashtag Nascar posted:I haven't seen the film but I was listening to a podcast that spoke about this and the Israelis saying they built the wall cause they had experience doing it it and were listening to a gut feeling which is something they did a lot in israel apparently lol which seems a bit overt even for a Hollywood film it was in the book too, which was basically the author picking out things he thought defined each country and having zombies force them to meet that ideal, russia gets religion back, iran and pakistan explode, loving ireland is reunified, it's basically babbys first geopolitical fan fiction except with zombies
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Smythe posted:there are many hot babes in tel aviv. u ever seen a super hot jewess babe with a m16 slu gon her in a bikini? i have. seriously into israeli women dunno why. i'd propose a one state solution with them if you know what i mean
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:wasnt it gene who refused to allow any kind of serious conflict to be a part of the show, which is why ds9 was so much better because he had nothing to do with it? partly, but also because the execs paid more attention to the movies and voyager than they did to ds9 and didn't meddle as much and also because a good chunk of the cast was non-starfleet. there wasn't really a lot of 'serious conflict' between the starfleet characters in ds9. they might have argued a bit more than the tng cast would, but the tng cast also argued sometimes.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:partly, but also because the execs paid more attention to the movies and voyager than they did to ds9 and didn't meddle as much yeh but i also mean conflict within the federation itself and its allies/truces tng skirted the neutral zone and made a lot of romulans mad at times but ds9 had an almost war with the kinglons, then the cardassians, and then a real war with the cardassians. the only intra-federation conflicts in tng were always brainbugs or something like that
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Sep 13, 2013 17:33
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:partly, but also because the execs paid more attention to the movies and voyager than they did to ds9 and didn't meddle as much ds9 also had a really rare collection of talented people in just about every role.
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:yeh but i also mean conflict within the federation itself and its allies/truces cardassians were never really allies and it was pretty consistently depicted as a shaky piece klingons yeah i guess. but i think when the writing staff got flushed in seasons 3 and 4 the new guys basically said "no, gently caress this, the klingons did *not* join the federation. that's bullshit. they're just allies... i guess... *sighs, rolls eyes, mutters 'gently caress you dad' under breath*" as for intra-federation the only thing there was when some renegade admiral wanted to put everyone on earth under martial law. after that it was pretty solid again.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:as for intra-federation the only thing there was when some renegade admiral wanted to put everyone on earth under martial law. after that it was pretty solid again. yo thats a pretty big thing. an admiral of starfleet trying to take over the world by feeding into paranoia. that poo poo would have never even approached tng/os because gene would have had a fit if his perfect society ever showed any cracks.
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Sep 13, 2013 17:40
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all of that bsgchat reminded me of trekchat and now we're full circle again
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Heresiarch posted:all of that bsgchat reminded me of trekchat and now we're full circle again all of this has happened before
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Sep 13, 2013 17:43
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after watching DS9 the ferengi in every other trek are so disappointing actually the way they deal with alien races in general is incredibly boring compared to ds9
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:yo thats a pretty big thing. an admiral of starfleet trying to take over the world by feeding into paranoia. that poo poo would have never even approached tng/os because gene would have had a fit if his perfect society ever showed any cracks. multiple top-level officers were part of the conspiracy to sabotage the peace process in star trek 6 a starship captain went renegade and started shooting up cardassian ships and space stations in The Wounded, killing hundreds of cardassians retired admiral norah satie was a paranoid nutjob who saw conspiracies everywhere and tried to subvert the rights of innocent people in The Drumhead admiral whats-his-face was implicated in conspiring with cardassians in Ensign Ro admiral pressman violated a treaty with the romulans and nearly got the enterprise captured in The Pegasus i mean yeah this was all happening when gene was practically on death's doorstop (or afterward, in Pegasus) but it all happened on not-DS9 also the "perfect society" didn't exist until TNG, TOS was definitely not a perfect federation
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theflyingexecutive posted:it was in the book too, which was basically the author picking out things he thought defined each country and having zombies force them to meet that ideal, russia gets religion back, iran and pakistan explode, loving ireland is reunified, it's basically babbys first geopolitical fan fiction except with zombies the only fun part of this was the population of north korea literally vanishing and everybody afraid to cross the border to find out what happened
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Sep 13, 2013 18:20
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:multiple top-level officers were part of the conspiracy to sabotage the peace process in star trek 6 ugh alright im bad at star treks
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:also the "perfect society" didn't exist until TNG, TOS was definitely not a perfect federation even in tos they'd solved poverty, had the prime directive etc. but yeah they still had conflict and problems with orders from space command and issues with starfleet captains occasionally setting themselves up as gods on some podunk planet of primitives
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watching twilight zone lol martin landau as a gunslinger
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the true nature of the federation is revealed in the mirror universe episodes where the "evil" terran empire has to be cartoonishly so to have any sort of contrast
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:after watching DS9 the ferengi in every other trek are so disappointing once you start seeing anti-semitic stereotypes in the ferengi on ds9 it's hard to stop i still love those episodes but it's the uncomfortable, nostalgia-driven kind of love that europeans have for the racist volumes of the tin-tin series
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:once you start seeing anti-semitic stereotypes in the ferengi on ds9 it's hard to stop 
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