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There are many timeless classics in music, from Mozart to The Beetles to KISS. I am going to defend my position that Phil Ochs, in particular his single "Love me I'm a liberal" should be recognized among said classics. Not only does a catchy beat make a timeless classic, but so does it's message. Now you may be thinking, "The message isn't timeless at all, it clearly references events from the 60's!", in most cases, you would be right. However, it's timeless message lies in how easily it can be adapted to reflect upon contemporary liberalism. As an example I will be modifying the very first verse of the song, as per these bigoted shitlords Stephen Colbert and John Stewart(All bolding is loving mine):quote:“Governor Bob Riley, of Alabama, is fond of banana pudding…when served off the breasts of a Thai shemale.” – The Colbert Report Modified Lyrics: quote:I cried when they shot Harvey Milk Because call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure that's what they're saying under the veil of humor. In conclusion, Phil Ochs' "Love me I'm a liberal" should be up there with "Come together" as a timeless classic, because liberals are the worst loving people. gently caress. liberals. FORVER. Oh and if you say this doesn't belong in the right-wing media thread, please explain why hate-speech that wouldn't be out of place on Hannity, Fox et al acceptable on a supposedly left-leaning show such as the Daily Show and Colbert Report? 
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The Rokstar posted:Maybe it's just because I'm using f.lux and it's contributed to my permanent inability to distinguish between colors but I'm not seeing this yellow. It's only when it's one of your own posts that gets quoted. See it now? Also ugh, that quote list of Stewart and Colbert is awful. I'd noticed it now and then, but I didn't realize it was so endemic. There's really no defending that.
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Idran posted:It's only when it's one of your own posts that gets quoted. See it now? Whoa, okay, that's new. edit: Eesh, I'm seeing those Stewart/Colbert quotes too. That's pretty disgusting. edit again: But yeah, the big difference between (most) liberals and the RWM is that liberals aren't afraid to call out other liberals on horseshit like this, whereas anyone on the RWM team is a perfect angel that cannot fail, only be failed, etc. The Rokstar fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Nov 23, 2014 |
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Nov 23, 2014 04:56
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kik2dagroin posted:I pray that Limbaugh peruses these forums and can see his name encased in urine He'd never do that, he's not praised constantly here.
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Nov 23, 2014 04:57
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Idran posted:It's only when it's one of your own posts that gets quoted. See it now? A lot of these quotes are really old and it's only recently, like the past two years, people at large started to figure out that trans people should be treated with respect as well, even among liberals. Not saying it's right, just saying that everyone says stupid poo poo. I haven't watched the Daily show in awhile but I can't remember the last time either of them said stuff like that. BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Nov 23, 2014 |
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Nov 23, 2014 04:57
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staticman posted:In conclusion, Phil Ochs' "Love me I'm a liberal" should be up there with "Come together" as a timeless classic, because liberals are the worst loving people. gently caress. liberals. FORVER. I can see where you're coming from, but liberals change. 40 years ago liberal comics made insensitive jokes about black people. 20 years ago, gay people. Liberals are willing to change, and they always do. No, they are not the worst. Conservatives are the worst, because they never change. Their revel in their bigotry, which seems to get worse, not better. Plus, you're picking on liberals who do in-your-face humor for a living. Regular everyday liberals, at least all the ones I know, have a lot of compassion for LGBT folks.
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beatlegs posted:I can see where you're coming from, but liberals change. 40 years ago liberal comics made insensitive jokes about black people. 20 years ago, gay people. Liberals are willing to change, and they always do. No, they are not the worst. Conservatives are the worst, because they never change. Their revel in their bigotry, which seems to get worse, not better. Plus, you're picking on liberals who do in-your-face humor for a living. Regular everyday liberals, at least all the ones I know, have a lot of compassion for LGBT folks. Sorry, I'm just reveling in despair because my own people keep getting poo poo on and killed with no end in sight. I just have a hard time seeing liberals as the light at the end of the tunnel with poo poo like Family Guy. However, you're right, conservatives are the devil, and I was just speaking out of anger.
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staticman posted:Sorry, I'm just reveling in despair because my own people keep getting poo poo on and killed with no end in sight. I just have a hard time seeing liberals as the light at the end of the tunnel with poo poo like Family Guy. However, you're right, conservatives are the devil, and I was just speaking out of anger. What does Family Guy have to do with anything? It's pretty hardcore moderate.
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staticman posted:Sorry, I'm just reveling in despair because my own people keep getting poo poo on and killed with no end in sight. I just have a hard time seeing liberals as the light at the end of the tunnel with poo poo like Family Guy. However, you're right, conservatives are the devil, and I was just speaking out of anger. Actually, thanks for bringing it up - I've probably laughed at tranny jokes like that in the past and now I'll think twice.
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staticman posted:Sorry, I'm just reveling in despair because my own people keep getting poo poo on and killed with no end in sight. I just have a hard time seeing liberals as the light at the end of the tunnel with poo poo like Family Guy. However, you're right, conservatives are the devil, and I was just speaking out of anger. poo poo is changing though. I'm spending this thanksgiving at a church that runs a weekly food pantry I frequently attend. The volunteers at the pantry are all members of the church and there are at least 4-5 openly transgendered people there volunteering every week. No one bats an eyelash or even comments on it. (This is San Antonio though, and San Antonio is weirder than Austin in some respects.)
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Nintendo Kid posted:What does Family Guy have to do with anything? It's pretty hardcore moderate. I swear it should've been obvious by now, but... 
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staticman posted:I swear it should've been obvious by now, but... And how does that make it liberal? Let me remind you you said "I just have a hard time seeing liberals as the light at the end of the tunnel with poo poo like Family Guy. "
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Nov 23, 2014 05:22
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Nintendo Kid posted:What does Family Guy have to do with anything? It's pretty hardcore moderate. Yeah, Family Guy's political sentiments are firmly rooted in the "all sides are fuckers: let's sit here and congratulate ourselves on being smart enough to notice rather than participating in democracy" attitude that keeps turnout unfortunately low among young white college-age types, and should not be taken to represent other parts of the liberal base or liberalism in general
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Nov 23, 2014 05:25
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Jesus, was my view of Family Guy being relatively liberal South Park "truth is in the middle!" poo poo all this time? Dear god, I need help...
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Nov 23, 2014 05:26
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I've heard plenty of stuff about how Seth MacFarlane can't stop injecting socialism into Family Guy and "this is why I like South Park more, they make fun of everyone!"
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Nov 23, 2014 05:30
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Family Guy is far more leftwing than South Park, but obviously it's not without its flaws. Sure, the transgender character in the relevant episode still becomes the butt of quite a few jokes, but the overall message in the end is to accept her for who she is. In South Park it was "lol wanting a sex change is exactly like wanting to become a dolphin HURRRR". Also liberalism in the modern US means something different than what Ochs was talking about. "Truth is in the middle" kind of does apply to liberalism in that sense.
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Nov 23, 2014 05:49
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Yeah, Phil Ochs' note of liberals as being "ten degrees to the left of center in the good times, ten degrees to the right of center when it affects them personally" gave away that he was using the defining liberal as "milquetoast centrist" and criticizing them from the left.
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The main problem with Family Guy is that it's painfully unfunny. I actually think South Park is funnier, though not by that much, and its politics are still insipidCoohoolin posted:Also liberalism in the modern US means something different than what Ochs was talking about. "Truth is in the middle" kind of does apply to liberalism in that sense. 'Liberal' has been used in the modern sense in the US since at least WW2. It definitely meant what it means today in the 60s.
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icantfindaname posted:The main problem with Family Guy is that it's painfully unfunny. I actually think South Park is funnier, though not by that much, and its politics are still insipid Eh, Love Me I'm A Liberal definitely uses the term in the Maoist way rather than "Democrat", "Leftist" or "not-as-rightwing-as-Republicans".
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Coohoolin posted:Eh, Love Me I'm A Liberal definitely uses the term in the Maoist way rather than "Democrat", "Leftist" or "not-as-rightwing-as-Republicans". That's exactly who he's referring to though. Socially liberal, somewhat economically liberal, well off white people who, when the chips are down, care more about themselves than the oppressed. The word has never meant socialist, the socialist left has never had any power or presence in America. That's the same thing it means now.
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icantfindaname posted:That's exactly who he's referring to though. Socially liberal, somewhat economically liberal, well off white people who, when the chips are down, care more about themselves than the oppressed. The word has never meant socialist, the socialist left has never had any power or presence in America. That's the same thing it means now. I'm reminded of an old American talkshow with a young Christopher Hitchens- the woman calling is outraged at his lefty comments and horrifiedly asks "are you a LIBERAL??" to which Hitchens takes offence as he's a socialist and yadda yadda. My point is for most people in the US liberal just means Democrat, or lefty. Nevermind Democrats aren't actually left-wing, it's the perception that's coloured the meaning.
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edit: I will say that they do (or at least did) conveniently run Doonesbury and Boondocks directly adjacent to Mallard Fillmore (this may be standard procedure in most papers nowadays) which greatly contributed to my realization that one side of the political spectrum is much more obsessed with hatred and down-punching vitriol than the other and helped me stop being so conservative. Hazo fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Nov 23, 2014 |
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Darkman Fanpage posted:That makes a lot more sense. The idea of Rushbo having something resembling morals was mind boggling. It makes even more sense when you find out that the über ceo's primary target is a feminist blogger who was tracking their poor record of passenger safety, victim blaming female passengers, and how despite claims that their drivers get thorough background checks some of the über drivers accused of assaulting passengers are convicted felons with rap sheets that should have turned up in the hiring process. http://pando.com/2014/11/17/the-moment-i-learned-just-how-far-uber-will-go-to-silence-journalists-and-attack-women/
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staticman posted:Sorry, I'm just reveling in despair because my own people keep getting poo poo on and killed with no end in sight. I just have a hard time seeing liberals as the light at the end of the tunnel with poo poo like Family Guy. However, you're right, conservatives are the devil, and I was just speaking out of anger. Equating jokes with actual violence is bullshit though, just because I don't think you can change your gender doesn't mean that I think you shouldn't exist.
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staticman posted:There are many timeless classics in music, from Mozart to The Beetles to KISS. I am going to defend my position that Phil Ochs, in particular his single "Love me I'm a liberal" should be recognized among said classics. Not only does a catchy beat make a timeless classic, but so does it's message. Now you may be thinking, "The message isn't timeless at all, it clearly references events from the 60's!", in most cases, you would be right. However, it's timeless message lies in how easily it can be adapted to reflect upon contemporary liberalism. As an example I will be modifying the very first verse of the song, as per these bigoted shitlords Stephen Colbert and John Stewart(All bolding is loving mine): Stewart and Colbert are at least somewhat lovely people. John Oliver all the way!
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Hasters posted:Equating jokes with actual violence is bullshit though, just because I don't think you can change your gender doesn't mean that I think you shouldn't exist. That's kind of a hosed up thing to - *checks rap sheet* - Oh. Nevermind.
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Ninjasaurus posted:Stewart and Colbert are at least somewhat lovely people. John Oliver all the way! ...What's lovely about Colbert? Edit: Oh, should have read the whole page.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:That's how it works now! I'm not seeing it. E: I'm illiterate. Dabir fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Nov 23, 2014 |
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Nov 23, 2014 08:59
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Woah. http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/23/politics/lindsey-graham-benghazi-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 quote:Washington (CNN) -- Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, has some harsh words for the recently released Benghazi report, led by his own party. quote:Asked why the Republican chairman of the Intelligence Committee would be "buying a bunch of garbage," Graham simply replied, "good question." YOU GO GET 'EM, MIZZ GRAHAM! Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Nov 23, 2014 |
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Nov 23, 2014 22:49
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I believe that report has given Lindsey the vapors.
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The party of fiscal responsibility. Until it comes to doing the same investigation over and over again expecting a different result. Then just dump as much money as you can into a pit of idiocy
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Dr. Faustus posted:Woah. Considering Lindsey Graham is consistently full of crap, he can recognize his own 
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Ah, the modern GOP, where blatant disrespect for the governmental process and for the President himself is acceptable as long as they're not on your side.
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"Shut up and respect the office!" and "Not my President!" arguments flip sides with each administrations. Republicans are better at leveraging them for foreign adventures and Democrats are better at leveraging them for expanding civil rights. As lovely as the Democrats are, this is one of the clear and stark differences between the parties.
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Shbobdb posted:"Shut up and respect the office!" and "Not my President!" arguments flip sides with each administrations. Republicans are better at leveraging them for foreign adventures and Democrats are better at leveraging them for expanding civil rights. As lovely as the Democrats are, this is one of the clear and stark differences between the parties. Why did you euphemize wars as "foreign adventures"?
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This has been bugging me for a while. While it's fair to assume the lowest path of logic for Family Guy, the handling of Quagmire's father becoming a woman, and much more importantly every other character's reaction to it, was actually one of the most progressive criticisms of the stigma towards transsexuals I've seen. And it went right the gently caress over everyone's head. Ida, her name chosen after her transition, is never portrayed in a negative light. At all. There are no jokes made about her decision, or about anything she actually does. She was unhappy living as a man, and chose to become a woman. That's it. She doesn't really do anything else. Everything that is actually about her is almost boring. They treat her gender dysphoria and what she does about it as a completely serious matter and never try to make what she did funny. Every other character treats her like she is loving radioactive over this. They are monstrous to her, inconsiderate towards Quagmire's efforts to cope with such a sudden and surprising change, and disgusting about the entire affair in general. This is because every character in Family Guy is a terrible, terrible person. They are consistently made into examples of the worst thing you could possibly do in any given situation. There is never any reasoning behind the way they treat Ida, it's just what they do. She is made out to be a totally sympathetic character and is treated in an inhuman way for it. The show is trying to illustrate how stupid everyone is being to act like that. It should have a giant flashing THIS IS YOU. THIS IS WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE. THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING. at the bottom of the screen. It was calling out the "trans people are icky" mindset in a confrontational and downright mean way that I thought people would have been happy about when I first saw that episode. It bothers me that so many people just stopped at 'Family Guy made an episode about a transwoman' and assumed the worst about something that was actually agreeing with them.
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Glenn Beck posted this to Facebook.quote:Last week I said that the AP committed "media rape" on Bill Cosby. They did an interview, seemingly broke the agreed upon rules, got him to give a non answer after the interview and then smeared him by saying "look, Cosby wouldn't answer". Horrible journalism and the AP should be ashamed of themselves. Yeah, see I said he was "raped" and victimized, but because that got a lot of attention and people think I'm still crazy I'm going to blame my knee-jerk defense of him on a journalist who had the gall to ask him a reasonable question about it. So nothing to see here, forget what I said before, NOW I'm totally anti-Cosby and completely not stupid or crazy, as you can see, now that I've said this and made you magically forget.
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beatlegs posted:Glenn Beck posted this to Facebook. I like how the accusations being from 40 years ago makes them more credible. Apparently being a grandmother makes claims that Beck would otherwise dismiss credible!
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