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moths posted:People viewing a detective show as a puzzle? You don't say! "True Detective" is a 1000 piece flat puzzle and the internet has decided to cut each puzzle piece in half and is attempting to put it together like a Puzz 3-D.
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Sorry, I didn't grind all these points into Mystery Analysis just so a bunch of gently caress-fails could come at me with some weak Narrative Ambiguity builds.
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Mar 7, 2014 17:45
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Me in Reverse posted:Cohle gets turned into a dresser drawer in Episode 8, that's why he's not in Season 2. Thank you for that. I really needed a laugh today. Though that was actually one of the moments during the lull of Season 2 Twin Peaks that I partly enjoyed. I have mixed feelings on that scene.
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Mar 7, 2014 17:46
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Jummy posted:It's not a detective show, it's a show about two detectives. They're the important part, not the case. The guy who wrote the show even said they're not trying to fool people. True Detective: It's not a detective show He said he's not trying to fool people with a trick gimmick that was impossible to see coming. That's not even remotely the same thing.
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Mar 7, 2014 17:47
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moths posted:True Detective: It's not a detective show Do you seriously think the show is more about their job and not about them?
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Mar 7, 2014 17:47
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I thought Josie getting trapped in the knob was pretty cool, to be honest, if only because it wasn't a scene prominently featuring James Hurley or Nadine.
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Mar 7, 2014 17:47
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Wise Learned Man posted:Hey, was Deputy Geraci the guy Rust slapped in the face in the first episode? He was part of the group calling Rust the Tax Man and saying he was IA, then later he said something to Rust*, and Rust slapped him. Yes that was Geraci.
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Mar 7, 2014 17:50
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moths posted:True Detective: It's not a detective show I think what he meant about it not being a detective show, was that it's not one in the traditional sense. It's not like Law & Order where the only things to achieve are who did it, how, and why, and what will happen to them. The show is very much about two characters who happen to be detectives. It's a character study of two flawed men, and the flaws of men in general-- and the ripple effect these have in general, and it's especially highlighted as it takes place in Louisiana, a super patriarchal environment (even more than the rest of the US). sector_corrector posted:I thought Josie getting trapped in the knob was pretty cool, to be honest, if only because it wasn't a scene prominently featuring James Hurley or Nadine.
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escape artist posted:I think what he meant about it not being a detective show, was that it's not one in the traditional sense. It's not like Law & Order where the only things to achieve are who did it, how, and why, and what will happen to them. The show is very much about two characters who happen to be detectives. It's a character study of two flawed men, and the flaws of men in general-- and the ripple effect these have in general, and it's especially highlighted as it takes place in Louisiana, a super patriarchal environment (even more than the rest of the US). Oh poo poo the TVIV forum superstar is here to lay poo poo down. Now this can truly be the worst thread on the forums. Seriously, your posts always make me cringe. I had a friend text yesterday saying he heard Matthew Mcconaughey won't be back for season 2. I wonder if the anthology format will hurt the show at all. Seems to work ok for American Horror Story so I hope ratings don't dip so we get a few more seasons of True Detective
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Mar 7, 2014 17:58
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moths posted:People viewing a detective show as a puzzle? You don't say! But people are biting off the sides of pieces and loving them up to make them fit.
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Mar 7, 2014 17:59
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Jummy posted:Do you seriously think the show is more about their job and not about them? Do you think anyone not made of straw thinks that? Dismissing the case is doing the show and writing a huge disservice. If it didn't matter, the show would be called True Guys With lovely Lives and yeah it could potentially be as good, but probably wouldn't.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:01
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DangerZoneDelux posted:Oh poo poo the TVIV forum superstar is here to lay poo poo down. Now this can truly be the worst thread on the forums. Seriously, your posts always make me cringe. I don't think he really read the thread.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:05
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moths posted:Do you think anyone not made of straw thinks that? I'm not dismissing the case, which is why I asked if it was more about the job than them. But nice strawman, hey cool, I can use a ridiculous cliche argument too. The show is obviously an important part of the show, that doesn't make it a detective show. The most important part of the show, and what most of it deals with even the work involving the case, is the two leads who happen to be detectives. You can misconstrue whatever you want, but that much should be obvious even to someone who has managed to grossly misunderstand the basis of the show.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:06
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DangerZoneDelux posted:I had a friend text yesterday saying he heard Matthew Mcconaughey won't be back for season 2. I wonder if the anthology format will hurt the show at all. Seems to work ok for American Horror Story so I hope ratings don't dip so we get a few more seasons of True Detective I like the approach they're taking, where they're refreshing the cast every season. I do sort of wish that they were keeping the single director format, but apparently that's not logistically feasible. It would be great to see other up and coming directors, or maybe even established film directors (Nicolas Refn with a TV show?) have full control over an 8 episode run. Otherwise, the idea of having a consistent writer able to explore new stories each season sounds great. I think that there's enough critical and popular acclaim for HBO to let them keep going with the same level of autonomy that Pizzollato seemed to have for this season.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:07
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escape artist posted:And naturally, when Lynch was forced to reveal the killer by network people, the show went to poo poo. I thought the show was already going to poo poo at that point and the network forced them to reveal it to try to save ratings. I really want them to just make an abridged version of Twin Peaks with 99% of the James scenes cut out. Just remove all of them except for the one where they play that lovely song and Bob pops out nowhere in retaliation. Jummy posted:Do you seriously think the show is more about their job and not about them? Woody Harrelson was on the Daily Show a few weeks ago, and if I remember correctly he straight up said the show is more about the two characters than the mystery.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:19
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I'd love to see each season moving around the country, exploring America's many different locales. I took these pictures this week, especially with the fog everything had a True Detective vibe, made me want to see Season 2 in a snowy, northwestern rural area. 
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Mar 7, 2014 18:30
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True Detective Thread: we should all stop posting and walk hand in hand into extinction.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:43
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Jummy posted:I'm not dismissing the case, which is why I asked if it was more about the job than them. But nice strawman, hey cool, I can use a ridiculous cliche argument too. The show is obviously an important part of the show, that doesn't make it a detective show. The most important part of the show, and what most of it deals with even the work involving the case, is the two leads who happen to be detectives. You can misconstrue whatever you want, but that much should be obvious even to someone who has managed to grossly misunderstand the basis of the show. Is this a parody of your last post? Obviously the detectives matter. And the focus of the show True Detective is a pair of detectives investigating a case. It's told through the device of the two detectives being interviewed by two additional detectives. It's a show about detectives. It's also an excellent character drama that fleshes out the men's lives, and the toll that being a detective has taken on them. That doesn't make it a show about not-detectives, it makes it a really loving good detective show.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:48
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:True Detective Thread: we should all stop posting and walk hand in hand into extinction. One last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a bad thread.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:52
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moths posted:Is this a parody of your last post? So what you're saying is that it's a show about detectives, and not a detective show. I'm glad we could clear that up. Oh poo poo, wait, you threw in the parody thing, let me find another dumb argument to put in here while I finish this up, causal reductionism.
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Mar 7, 2014 18:52
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I mean your post made no sense. "It's a show about a show?" Ok glad that's cleared up. E: It's like you were stating your previous post more aggressively and less coherently, like a parody of it. moths fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Mar 7, 2014 |
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Mar 7, 2014 19:00
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moths posted:I mean your post made no sense. "It's a show about a show?" Ok glad that's cleared up. Gotcha, I see now. Meant to type the case is an important part of the show. Still probably easy enough to understand if you spend more than a few seconds thinking about it, but you not being able to get that would explain why you're having such a problem with the rest of this discussion and the show in general. I do like that you put that part up there in quotes though as if it's something I said and not something you glommed onto as if it were important.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:06
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ChairmanMeow posted:I don't think he really read the thread. And it's a good thing that MM won't be back. Because no matter how good or how bad next season is, his performance will be compared to Rust Cohle. The character is an instant icon. American Horror Story has shown how reusing actors can be detrimental in an anthology series. Lange plays the same drat character every year, because that's the draw. And you know what? I'm with you guys. I think my posts suck too. The difference is, I think 99% of your posts are even worse, and that, folks, is a problem.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:07
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I just want to point out that escape artist's avatar has a (bow)tie. Let's discuss that for 3 pages.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:18
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escape artist posted:I read all 85 loving pages of this shitpile before I posted, thanks. You're in Carcosa now. With us. He sees you.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:20
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Funny enough, that's Michael Potts, who plays one of the detectives investigating the 2012 case. edit: Was really happy to see him in the credits as one of the first name. I think his role in The Book of Mormon might have helped him secure this role. He deserves more work than he gets. Broseph Brostar posted:You're in Carcosa now. With us. He sees you. There's never been a time that I wasn't. Or that he hasn't. escape artist fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Mar 7, 2014 |
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Mar 7, 2014 19:21
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escape artist posted:
Did it though? This thread is just like The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones etc. The only threads I can think of that have been good were Spartacus and then ones for shows like Sons of Anarchy and The Following where everyone just laughs and posts jokes about the show. Boardwalk Empire? Although that doesn't get many posts.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:39
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I love how someone shows up with an interest in actually talking about the show in a meaningful way instead of just spectacularly missing the point by reiterating the same absurd "theories" that literally everyone involved in the show has denied, and everyone just dogpiles him instead.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:42
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I think any TV IV thread about a complex show that features heavy usage of unreliable narration and symbology will descend into neckbeards writing dissertation prospectii about what the meaning of some piece of set dressing is and how it represents some character's chronic bowel irritation or whatever the gently caress.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:45
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escape artist posted:And you know what? I'm with you guys. I think my posts suck too. The difference is, I think 99% of your posts are even worse, and that, folks, is a problem. It's not a problem for me, I think this thread has been immensely entertaining. It's just entertaining in a far different way than the show itself.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:48
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pugnax posted:I think any TV IV thread about a complex show that features heavy usage of unreliable narration and symbology will descend into neckbeards writing dissertation prospectii about what the meaning of some piece of set dressing is and how it represents some character's chronic bowel irritation or whatever the gently caress. I don't know if I'd describe the show's format as using unreliable narration -- we're always presented with the truth via flashback, even in scenarios where Cohle/Hart are lying to the present-day cops.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:52
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Bird Law posted:I'd love to see each season moving around the country, exploring America's many different locales. I took these pictures this week, especially with the fog everything had a True Detective vibe, made me want to see Season 2 in a snowy, northwestern rural area. I drove through eastern WA a few weeks ago and it really had me thinking about the atmosphere it would lend to a show like this.
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Mar 7, 2014 19:55
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CODChimera posted:Did it though? This thread is just like The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones etc. The King of The Hill Thread is awesome. It is still going years after the show. Everyone is nice and posts content. I'm sure this is made easier by the type of show and lack of suspense, but it still always surprises me. Full Fathoms Five posted:I love how someone shows up with an interest in actually talking about the show in a meaningful way instead of just spectacularly missing the point by reiterating the same absurd "theories" that literally everyone involved in the show has denied, and everyone just dogpiles him instead. Nobody is dogpiling Periodiko.
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Bird Law posted:I'd love to see each season moving around the country, exploring America's many different locales. I took these pictures this week, especially with the fog everything had a True Detective vibe, made me want to see Season 2 in a snowy, northwestern rural area. I agree, and I've brought up a few locations I wouldn't mind seeing. I think that the rural north could be really appealing, but wouldn't mind seeing the rural desolation of the planes-states in a post factory farming economy (maybe have some past-tense scenes that cover the slow decline of the community as industrial farming displaced family farming). In a recent interview Pizzollato mentioned the corruption of LA as a potentially interesting setting of a non serial killer crime, and although I really don't want to see any more of LA, I guess I would take that over yet another generic New York. Harlem during the Harlem Renaissance would be an awesome way to do New York without resorting to cliche. Although I'm not 100% sure that the show would work as a straight-up period piece. The continual flux between present and past in this season was a great feature.
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I just wonder what the people with these theories event want to see in the final episode. Wrapping up a character study already promises to make for a dense episode, and this show is really good at trimming away the fat and using its time wisely. The little "clues" aren't meant to serve people obsessively examining the show frame-by-frame for an "answer" - they are broad strokes that allow thematic information to be relayed without bogging down the already lean narrative thread. Are people just waiting for some "aha!" moment where Audrey is sitting on her bed with a class photo from an old Tuttle school or something? What purpose would that serve? The truth is that whatever trauma affected her is ultimately irrelevant beyond the fact that Marty is either partly or fully to blame for it. Audrey is just another magnifying glass through which the viewer scrutinizes Marty, to see how he reacts and how he, as a person, grapples with his own humanity. This is why he's an amazing character even when his motives are dubious; we see his desire to protect children run counter to his inability to do it (think the dream from Catcher in the Rye made real), and so when he views that tape in Rust's storage unit, it forces us to wonder whether he's doing it because it is morally correct, or because some part of him wants desperately to make up for his own failings and deficiencies, or both. Marty and Rust have both effectively "lost" all of the women in their lives, and the show wants us to see that they had a hand in it. Effectively, we know that their story has begun at the same point and that they are moving inexorably toward the same end, only from two different directions. This is the circle neither man can escape from. There is no mystery in this show. We know everything that is important. Not a single one of these theories, if they were hypothetically legitimate, would contribute to what this show is doing, and thinking that they are going to open the floodgates on it all in the final episode is as asinine as thinking Cthulu is going to rise up out the Louisiana bayou right before a cut to credits.
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Me in Reverse posted:I don't know if I'd describe the show's format as using unreliable narration -- we're always presented with the truth via flashback, even in scenarios where Cohle/Hart are lying to the present-day cops. Fair, but we didn't know they were lying to the cops until the flashbacks showed up, so it's not a stretch to say that they could be lying about other things. I suppose it's a semantic issue - the characters can be unreliable in the narration, but the show won't lie to the audience.
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Full Fathoms Five posted:I love how someone shows up with an interest in actually talking about the show in a meaningful way instead of just spectacularly missing the point by reiterating the same absurd "theories" that literally everyone involved in the show has denied, and everyone just dogpiles him instead. maybe he should have made some good posts first instead of just common sense whitenoise and trashing people from a delusional position of authority and grandeur?? low quality poster coming to the threads about the shows you like to talk about himself
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sector_corrector posted:I agree, and I've brought up a few locations I wouldn't mind seeing. I think that the rural north could be really appealing, but wouldn't mind seeing the rural desolation of the planes-states in a post factory farming economy (maybe have some past-tense scenes that cover the slow decline of the community as industrial farming displaced family farming). I think they could do some really interesting work with the plains areas, anything but LA or NY really. I wonder if they'll do the different time periods again or go with a more linear story.
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EvilTobaccoExec posted:maybe he should have made some good posts first instead of just common sense whitenoise and trashing people from a delusional position of authority and grandeur?? Yeah, I had a killer loving set that night and was riding high on arrogance and alcohol. Again, you're ignoring what I'm saying and attacking me personally, which is not addressing my valid criticism. I was seriously waiting for somebody to pull that up. You don't disappoint, you predictable schmuck. I have an abrasive personality, and when I express myself, that's how it comes across. Rude and right aren't mutually exclusive. Look at the Wire thread I posted. THAT is the level of conversation we should be having in this thread. But again, somehow, it always comes back to shallow plot reading and rapechat. Always.
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