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ginealgo posted:Seriously - am i the only one who feels sorry for this kid? I've never met anyone half as screwed up as this without some sort of really depressingly traumatizing past, and i doubt this case is any different. hard-hitting psychoanalysis from gagelion
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Tautologicus posted:reductionism explains nothing and basically says nothing. maybe "people are pretty complex" is at least an understandable statement. as if there were a switch in his head that could have been flipped, and we just don't know which one it is yet. yea right. it could be, though.
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Aug 24, 2014 02:40
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Honestly he was probably gay, couldn't come to terms with it and took it out on the world
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Aug 24, 2014 02:43
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not snarky posted:it could be, though. maybe, but i think usually people are just the way they are, and there's not much anyone can do to change them except to disable them somehow (lobotomy, drugs, etc). their change has to come from within them. but trying to externally change someone almost always just adds more "fuel to the fire". or who knows, maybe in the future we can genetically engineer everyone to be well adjusted and content. Gaunab posted:Honestly he was probably gay, couldn't come to terms with it and took it out on the world he didn't once mention being attracted to men in his manifesto. probably more complicated than this, although there's something to it. he expected (required) women to come to him, and they didn't. like he was a little female himself. idk. the worst thing is fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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Aug 24, 2014 02:44
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What im saying is that not getting laid was not actually the issue, he was probably repeatedly raped as a child or something equally bad and this is how that manifested.
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Aug 24, 2014 02:45
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lets feel bad for the dude who killed 6 people based on speculative abuse he may have possibly suffered, but probably not
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Aug 24, 2014 02:47
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ginealgo posted:What im saying is that not getting laid was not actually the issue, he was probably repeatedly raped as a child or something equally bad and this is how that manifested. Considering how self-pitying he was, why not mention it?
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Aug 24, 2014 02:48
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Tautologicus posted:maybe, but i think usually people are just the way they are, and there's not much anyone can do to change them except to disable them somehow (lobotomy, drugs, etc). their change has to come from within them. but trying to externally change someone almost always just adds more "fuel to the fire". totally untrue, btw people as a rule are extremely susceptible to manipulation by outside forces
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Aug 24, 2014 02:48
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i wish he was still alive so he'd be in jail getting beat up by black guys for life
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Aug 24, 2014 02:52
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Moridin920 posted:totally untrue, btw i agree, i more meant when someone is in the kind of downward spiral that rodgers was in. how was anyone going to snap him out of that. that had to come from him, and he just ended up lashing out even further. what's the difference between him and someone who says therapy or something else cured their depression etc? he refused all help. what was anyone supposed to do? he resisted all manipulation as well.
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Aug 24, 2014 02:52
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people are susceptible to manipulation when they think it will get them what they want. what outside forces were going to give him the insight into how to get a girl to like him? he had to figure that out on his own and he didn't, if that was what he wanted so bad. i just don't understand why he staked everything on it. what a guy. i also skipped laaarge parts of his manifesto lol
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Aug 24, 2014 02:54
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Seems like he probably had diagnosable narcissism, at least. Especially that bit about the housemate going out of his way to be insolent only when Roger confronted him about something. How else would a reasonable person respond?
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Aug 24, 2014 02:57
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Gaunab posted:Honestly he was probably gay, couldn't come to terms with it and took it out on the world nah, just a hardcore sperg
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Aug 24, 2014 02:57
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he prob did not get punched enough as a child
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Aug 24, 2014 03:01
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Jack Gladney posted:Seems like he probably had diagnosable narcissism, at least. Especially that bit about the housemate going out of his way to be insolent only when Roger confronted him about something. How else would a reasonable person respond? and even further than that, he had problems only a rich hollywood-connected kid could have. he was such a product of his environment. like an exception that proves the rule of that whole LA hollywood subculture. the narcisstic outlier, but at the same time, doing it better and purer than any one else in the same environment could hope to achieve. too much? i think that's onto something. like, his actions and behavior are totally alien to me. that could never happen around where i live. the problems are totally different here. just as the problems are different in every place and environment.
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Aug 24, 2014 03:03
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stuxracer posted:he prob did not get punched enough as a child
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Aug 24, 2014 03:08
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he was diagnosed asperger iirc
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EA Sports posted:i basically have one of the core mental problems that made him crazy, it doesnt really need any catalyst Is it virginity?
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Aug 24, 2014 03:14
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ginealgo posted:Seriously - am i the only one who feels sorry for this kid? I've never met anyone half as screwed up as this without some sort of really depressingly traumatizing past, and i doubt this case is any different. Even reading his manifesto it seems like his parents did all they could to help him (made him get some job, therapy, ect) and their other kids turned out all right so I doubt this. In fact nobody really did anything to elliot except lightly rib him for acting spergy or be happy around him. The only time he wrote about someone getting at him in his manifesto was when he was trying to murder girls at a party by pushing them off the roof. Rodgers is pretty amazing to me because how does someone fail when they have so many goddamn advantages? He had a good amount of money and lived in one of the richest places on earth, he didn't look bad and he seems pretty articulate. He had expensive cloths and cars as a loving ~20 year old. His parents seemed to love him and tried to help him as much as they could and his siblings didn't seem to hate him. DrManiac fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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Aug 24, 2014 03:20
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I guess its possible that he was a totally lovely person, but my job is working with troubled youth and in my experience theres always some deep rooted cause. I just cant understand how someone would naturally turn out so maladaptive.
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Aug 24, 2014 03:21
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to be honest it seems unlikely he was secretly gay or had some unknown trauma because look at all the poo poo he wrote about his pathetic life, you really think there could be something more shameful to him than crying over his inability to throw orange juice on the black sexhaver or all the tantrums hes thrown or his weird fantasies of female genocide? i wont pretend to know what exactly his problem wasbut i have a hard time imagining there was anything he held back from his "manifesto" which was just a meticulous catalogue of his boring rear end pathetic life and all his many, many self-inflicted humiliations
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DrManiac posted:Even reading his manifesto it seems like his parents did all they could to help him (made him get some job, therapy, ect) and their other kids turned out all right so I doubt this. In fact nobody really did anything to elliot except lightly rib him for acting spergy or be happy around him. The only time he wrote about someone getting at him in his manifesto was when he was trying to murder girls at a party by pushing them off the roof. he wrote about a bunch of other incidents. kids he knew from high school taunting him from passing cars, his first roomates in college teasing him relentlessly about being a virgin. there's more too. and the one good friend he seemed to have (James) he alienated by talking incessantly about how he wanted to kill everyone who wronged him.
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Kevyn posted:Is it virginity? no. after i went through puberty i started getting lonelier and lonelier, and stopped being able to care about my friends/fams. i eventually developed an obsession on a girl that i didnt even like, because the emotional part of my brain was so desperate to stop feeling lonely.i secretly wished she would die, because the pain and self loathing from liking her was all i could care/think about. remember eliots main complaint about a functional emotional problem was his loneliness. he also had rage and serious delusions as well. i did get a small delusion but i always knew it was bullshit.
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Pornographic Memory posted:to be honest it seems unlikely he was secretly gay or had some unknown trauma because look at all the poo poo he wrote about his pathetic life, you really think there could be something more shameful to him than crying over his inability to throw orange juice on the black sexhaver or all the tantrums hes thrown or his weird fantasies of female genocide? i wont pretend to know what exactly his problem wasbut i have a hard time imagining there was anything he held back from his "manifesto" which was just a meticulous catalogue of his boring rear end pathetic life and all his many, many self-inflicted humiliations yea same. he's a product of his environment. the embodied ugly underbelly of the little subculture he was apart of. that's how it makes more sense. the one who took it all a little too seriously.
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Tautologicus posted:he wrote about a bunch of other incidents. kids he knew from high school taunting him from passing cars, his first roomates in college teasing him relentlessly about being a virgin. there's more too. and the one good friend he seemed to have (James) he alienated by talking incessantly about how he wanted to kill everyone who wronged him. That same friend later said that he had never heard Roger speak more than a single sentence at once, that what shocked him most about that crazy youtube video was that Roger had never said so many words at the same time before. There was certainly something way hosed with him long before he started shooting, but not necessarily anything bad that had happened to him. Did anyone ever learn how a world-class fucko like him got a gun in the first place? Lol if he stole it from his dad.
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Jack Gladney posted:That same friend later said that he had never heard Roger speak more than a single sentence at once, that what shocked him most about that crazy youtube video was that Roger had never said so many words at the same time before. There was certainly something way hosed with him long before he started shooting, but not necessarily anything bad that had happened to him. I think the friend was just trying to get away from being blamed somehow for not coming forward with anything elliott told him. in the manifesto lots of at-length conversations were detailed. he wouldn't make that up. and he bought his first handgun for 700 dollars, apparently easily.
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THS posted:he was diagnosed asperger iirc The divorce documents also confirmed that Elliot Rodger was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, a form of autism, when he was 7. "Elliot has special needs," his mother said in a sworn statement. "He is a high functioning autistic child." That almost isn't necessary because it's pretty apparent from his writing that he's autistic. I wish all these creepy murderers of late hadn't been spergs, it's kind of embarrassing.
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Jack Gladney posted:Did anyone ever learn how a world-class fucko like him got a gun in the first place? Lol if he stole it from his dad. buying a gun in this country is hilariously easy. he wasn't a felon nor was he clearly, outwardly deranged so all he had to do was walk in and slap his money down on the counter. the only thing that would slow him down is that cali has a waiting period of 10 days iirc
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ginealgo posted:I guess its possible that he was a totally lovely person, but my job is working with troubled youth and in my experience theres always some deep rooted cause. I just cant understand how someone would naturally turn out so maladaptive. gagelion, your job is talking bullshit on the forums.
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Aug 24, 2014 04:37
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Ivor Biggun posted:gagelion, your job is talking bullshit on the forums. I have 2 jobs
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THS posted:he was diagnosed asperger iirc He was also put on drugs that are meant to treat schizophrenia but when he found out that they were for schizophrenia he stopped taking them because he somehow managed to convince himself that he wasn't schizophrenic despite having written a 140 page manifesto about how and why he's gonna kill all the girls forever.
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DoctorStrangelove posted:He was also put on drugs that are meant to treat schizophrenia but when he found out that they were for schizophrenia he stopped taking them because he somehow managed to convince himself that he wasn't schizophrenic despite having written a 140 page manifesto about how and why he's gonna kill all the girls forever. the thing about severe mental disorders is that they cloud your ability to make rational judgements
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THS posted:the thing about severe mental disorders is that they cloud your ability to make rational judgements my cum on his face woukd have clouded his vision also bc sometimes when i cum obn a face it gets in there eyes. but in my case my cum woukd cure him and help him see the error of his weights. and hed be cured.
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Aug 24, 2014 04:50
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ginealgo posted:I have 2 jobs 1) hand 2) blow
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Aug 24, 2014 04:52
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im still working on my elliot/dzhokhar erotic fanfiction story
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THS posted:im still working on my elliot/dzhokhar erotic fanfiction story The older brother or the younger brother?
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Aug 24, 2014 06:11
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elliot rodger liked world of warcraft, proof all warcraft players are murderers, but more importantly, virgins
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Aug 24, 2014 06:48
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My favorite part is when he freaked our over his parents forcing him to go to Morocco for six week with them instead if just letting him stay at home and play WoW gently caress you Mom and Dad for taking me on a vacation of a lifetime.
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Aug 24, 2014 06:57
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I remember that guy. Whatever happened to him?
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platedlizard posted:My favorite part is when he freaked our over his parents forcing him to go to Morocco for six week with them instead if just letting him stay at home and play WoW I think the main thing anybody can take away from this idiot is that seeking help for your problems is a good thing, otherwise the whole of your life will just be 'killer virgin goes on spree; foiled partially by closed door.'
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