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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

You are all DOOMED



Nephilm posted:

Except, my posts consist primarily of just off-handedly commenting on how some of those things are ridiculous and conflict then originates from people coming in to justify them instead of just accepting it's ridiculous, perhaps one of the flaws of the show if trying to see it from a hyper-realistic angle or just a meaningless quirk, laugh about it and move on.
So basically people disagreeing with you are at fault.

Also, glad to see you insulted that guy for using a strawman, then used a strawman.

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Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing, you say? But I'm not even moving!


"Before casting out the straw-man in thy brother's eye / seek first to cast out the beam cannon of thine own."

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Before casting out the space battle-axe in thy brother's cybernetic eye / seek first to cast out the Thor Hammer in thine own.

SavageGentleman
Feb 28, 2010

I've got to run, I'll be seeing you!

- from about 6,000 feet!


I finally started with the series (thanks to the Infinite Space LP!) and I'm having a good time - some aspects of the series become hilarious if you're from a German speaking country (I'm looking at YOU, intro screen!)

However, sometimes I have to remind myself that the focus of the series is being "War and Peace" in space - it helps with things like the role of women and the often very sketchy strategies used for dramatic effect.

For example, I finished episode 20 now and I was quite dissatisfied when watching the way they portrayed the strategies used in the battle with Staaden. Staaden's fleet must have been farting around for hours while the enemy destroyed his other fleet and flew all the way around the minefield to attack him from behind.
It's the same with the way they decide to take the fortress of Rentenberg: Stealthily moving dozens of ships into the outer parts of the enemy base sound like a good idea, but the way they handeled the rest was quite unpleasant, with the axe fighting and the great "trap" for Lord Ovlesser (angry red haired dude) - a hole in the ground, 20 metres from where that guy had been standing for hours, really? When and where did they dig it?
The could as well have used the weapons of the ships which are inside the base - the loss of life from the destruction did not seem to be an important factor, as it's mentioned that every rebel soldier in Rentenberg but Ovlesser gets executed (perhaps a mistranslation?)

I intellectually understand that the main point they want to convey is more personal/political (Staaden being surrounded by young red-headed idiots, Ovlesser has to be captured so they can demonstrate what a tool von Braunschweig is), but I hope it won't be as bad as this in future episodes, because I really enjoy the space battles per se (even if ships in the future seem to be made from wet paper).

edit:
To clarify: I'm not offended if a show stretches the technological and logistical possibilities of its setting in order to make an entertaining/interesting point, I just rapidly start to loose the joy from watching it if things just continually happen like that.

SavageGentleman fucked around with this message at Jun 24, 2012 around 17:41

Lustful Man Hugs
Jul 18, 2010


SavageGentleman posted:

Fairly reasonable criticism.

First of all, most of this stuff does get alleviated following the end of the first season (ie, after episode 25 or so). By most, I mean Schenkopp remains a Level 5 Fighter.

The military tactics never get entirely down to earth, but they do cut down on the more questionable elements that you cited.

However, the part where Ovlesser falls in the hole is my favourite part precisely because of how absurd it is.

On another note, is it just me, or is Heinessenpolis the worst place to live ever? It seems that any time thousands of civilians die at once, it happens there. I rewatched 10 or so episodes yesterday, and there were still multiple instances of that happening. You almost have to wonder how many civilians could possibly live there.

SavageGentleman
Feb 28, 2010

I've got to run, I'll be seeing you!

- from about 6,000 feet!


Just finished episode 23, The civil war for the empire ended with quite a bang.

Lohengramm just allowed Braunschweig's nuclear bombing of Westerland! Or at least he did not act soon enough to prevent it. The scenes on the planet just before the bombing were great:
"Granddad, what are we doing now that we are finally free from the oppressors?
: "Well, there's Count von Lohengramm, he is known as a friend of the people. We should join him!"
: "I love you Granddad!"
*get nuked to hell*



Oberstein is such a Machavellian bastard, I love it!

SavageGentleman fucked around with this message at Jun 28, 2012 around 09:43

The_White_Crane
May 10, 2008


I'm just rewatching this now, and I want to know what idiot granted Laap the approval to set up Phezzan as a mostly-independant nation-state with the power to forbid Imperial passage through the Corridor.
What the hell kind of leverage did he HAVE on them!?

Rakugoon
Jul 30, 2010

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Judging by the history episode focused on Kaisers Past I kind of think there was no end of scandal to be exploiting the monarchy by, if you could get away with it.

duck monster
Dec 15, 2004



The_White_Crane posted:

I'm just rewatching this now, and I want to know what idiot granted Laap the approval to set up Phezzan as a mostly-independant nation-state with the power to forbid Imperial passage through the Corridor.
What the hell kind of leverage did he HAVE on them!?

I'd assume that it was just understood that economically there was more to be gained by having a trading point between the empire and the free planets than screwing that up by stuffing it full of dopey warships. The empire seems to have different locus's of power,that have their own interests and sort of kind of coalese under the kaisers. The armed forces are pretty much your standard imperial army, its loyal to the kaiser but pursues its own interests as well, the nobles have their own little kingdoms and mainly interact on a decadent and ultimately silly powerplay level in the court, and the executive (prime-minister and so on) seem mostly interessted in economics.

So I'd guess previous prime-ministers would have realised that having a way to sell and buy from the free planets without directly engaging in any sort of traitorous *direct* contact was preferable to either straight up dealing with the FPA or alternatively loving up trade and business altogether by not trading at all. So having Phezan as a middleman removes any moral questions of collusion from it, whilst still gaining the economic benefits of free trade. And I guess the kaiser, with the prime-minister in his ear, would have consented despite whatever objections the armed forces might have.

When Longrehan gets in of course he pretty much trashes the old power structure bringing everything except regional power (which he more or less democratizes) under his direct command, and this allows him to integrate his economic and strategic objectives and thus decide "gently caress phezan".

Of course the phezani having seemingly endless wads of cash to bribe and blackmail with certainly seem to have a hand in all this too. Those who dissent to the arangement dont seem to hang around long.

duck monster fucked around with this message at Jul 3, 2012 around 18:33

Uznare
Jul 15, 2010

It's not animation, but the real stories!


If anyone ever wondered how LoGH would look in stage play form I just uploaded the first one to my youtube channel and it can be watched here

Space battles in dance number form are a sight to behold I tell you what.

Kircheis
Aug 14, 2007
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.

Uznare posted:

If anyone ever wondered how LoGH would look in stage play form I just uploaded the first one to my youtube channel and it can be watched here

Space battles in dance number form are a sight to behold I tell you what.

Oh wow. Dear Central Anime, please work on subtitling this immediately.

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I have been through nightmares you wouldn't believe. I've seen the foulest deeds man can inflict upon man, and done the same and worse to people who didn't deserve a thing. While we were talking, while you sat there in your chair, I killed a man.

It's who I am. You'll just have to accept it.

WHAT

WHAT

http://twitpic.com/a46yhb

http://twitpic.com/a46yzm

WHAT

AHADSJKDHASKJDHA

THAT IS ALL THE COHERENCY I CAN MUSTER

WHAT THE gently caress HOW DID THE FRENCH MANAGE THIS I CANNOT EVEN WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS poo poo

(also it gives us English speakers a tiny cause for hope 'cause it's finally being exported at all)

(but even so)

WHAT


calmedit: a little more information here in french - https://twitter.com/neokenji01/stat...891024631922688

Rakugoon
Jul 30, 2010

by Y Kant Ozma Post


First they elect an unmarried socialist and now this. Why must America suffer while the French enter a Golden Age.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

You are all DOOMED



Payback for all those surrender jokes.

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

"Does a superman have super-hunger, Gerry? Super-loneliness?"

Rakugoon posted:

First they elect an unmarried socialist and now this. Why must America suffer while the French enter a Golden Age.
I've always envied the French for their louche coolness. I never expected to envy the French for something like this.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax


I'm curious to see what the pricetag is.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

You are all DOOMED



jonjonaug posted:

I'm curious to see what the pricetag is.
I think someone on /m/ say it amounted to about 70-80 USD, total, but obviously that should be taken with a grain of salt.

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006



The tweet linked in SpaceDrake's post says 59 euros a box. So about $292 real money before tax and shipping for all four box sets.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

You are all DOOMED



Yeah that seems about closer to what should be expected. At least it could be worse, and at least it doesn't come with a hug pillow? I don't know if I could take the plunge for the entire thing but I'd gladly buy one of the boxes just to support it if it came out over here.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005


As I saw someone else say on IRC, it'd almost be cheaper to teach yourself French and buy these than it would be to buy the Japanese release. Christ.

someday

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Aim for the TOP!


What, they aren't dual audio (french / japanese)?

Endorph posted:

Yeah that seems about closer to what should be expected. At least it could be worse, and at least it doesn't come with a hug pillow? I don't know if I could take the plunge for the entire thing but I'd gladly buy one of the boxes just to support it if it came out over here.

poo poo, that's remarkable given ~anime~ prices and the fact that I'm pretty sure that price is about 10% of the japanese price.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005


DamnGlitch posted:

What, they aren't dual audio (french / japanese)?

No, they are, but the Japanese BD releases are literally like 50x the cost of these French releases, so in terms of the sheer cost, you'd might as well just learn French and get the DVD release if you want to own it.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

Junon Boy



This is the first time knowing French has truly made my life better. Shame about the pricetag (even if its a lot less then the Japanese, its still going to take some saving if I want it), but this is great.

Cake Attack fucked around with this message at Jul 6, 2012 around 18:05

duck monster
Dec 15, 2004



THERE IS HOPE!

poo poo, theres even a pretty loving good translation available (the fan sub) should they wish to do an english one.

Rakugoon
Jul 30, 2010

by Y Kant Ozma Post


So is it subs-only or does it have that badass French dub I've seen on the youtubes?

duck monster
Dec 15, 2004



Rakugoon posted:

So is it subs-only or does it have that badass French dub I've seen on the youtubes?

The later answer would only be an unbearable taunt.

Rakugoon
Jul 30, 2010

by Y Kant Ozma Post


duck monster posted:

The later answer would only be an unbearable taunt.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing, you say? But I'm not even moving!


I think this show would (will?) sound loving awesome in french.

Although if it also came with english subtitles, you could learn half the drat language by the time you were through.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
CG: THE ONE WHO HATES YOU, REMEMBER?


AzraelNewtype posted:

Somebody competent finally encoded My Conquest is the Sea of Stars. Click the group name for 720p if that's more your speed. The QTS raw that the previous release used is fairly awful, so replacing it might not be the worst idea.
Are you sure this is the version to get? I'm only now getting around to downloading this (mostly because the 720 torrent was dead and had to look elsewhere), but there seems to be a lot more detail in the QTS raw: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/134441. Baffling since the R-R release has a much higher bitrate.

AzraelNewtype
Nov 9, 2004

「ブレストバーン!!」


Nate RFB posted:

Are you sure this is the version to get? I'm only now getting around to downloading this (mostly because the 720 torrent was dead and had to look elsewhere), but there seems to be a lot more detail in the QTS raw: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/134441. Baffling since the R-R release has a much higher bitrate.

This comparison shows the exact opposite of what you're claiming though. The background is sharper in QTS (particularly the bottom left), but the rest is smoothed out ridiculously, and blocky as hell. I'm assuming this sharpness is due to (ab)use of warpsharp, which is a sin, considering the fairly gross smoothing elsewhere that appears to be caused by a different old and sinful filter (fft3d?).

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
CG: THE ONE WHO HATES YOU, REMEMBER?


Jumping around to a couple of scenes, it looks like the backgrounds tend to look better (to me at least) in the QTS version, but anything with motion looks better in the R-R version. QTS has a lot of strange artifacts along the outlines during these parts.

Lustful Man Hugs
Jul 18, 2010


Uznare posted:

If anyone ever wondered how LoGH would look in stage play form I just uploaded the first one to my youtube channel and it can be watched here

Space battles in dance number form are a sight to behold I tell you what.

I'm replying to this, because this gem got lost in all of the French excitement.

Good_Haro
Mar 14, 2009

Noted shitposter.

On that note, apparently Ginei is getting a Takarazuka version now: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/int...heroes-revealed

It looks fabulous max.

Rakugoon
Jul 30, 2010

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Now that is going to be amazing. I expect like 5 times as much music, and like 20 times the amount of fabulous costumes.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing, you say? But I'm not even moving!


Huh. The LoGH author also wrote Arslan. Learn something new every day.

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006



Yoshiki Tanaka has 11 novel series with Ryoko Yakushiji's Strange Case Files getting it's ninth volume just last month. LoGH being the only one with its main story finished.

duck monster
Dec 15, 2004



Doc Hawkins posted:

Huh. The LoGH author also wrote Arslan. Learn something new every day.

Didn't he do another space opera series as well with some sort of similar faux period dress type setting? I'd be pretty loving interested to see how that is.

AzraelNewtype
Nov 9, 2004

「ブレストバーン!!」


duck monster posted:

Didn't he do another space opera series as well with some sort of similar faux period dress type setting? I'd be pretty loving interested to see how that is.

Yes, Tytania. Part of it got adapted. Don't watch it.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Aim for the TOP!


Oh wow that was him?

Yeah it was pretty weaksauce (the adaptation anyway)

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The_White_Crane
May 10, 2008


Guyver posted:

...Ryoko Yakushiji's Strange Case Files...

Wait, he wrote that too!?
The anime of that was actually pretty neat!

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