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I'm on episode 10 and loving it, though I much prefer Yang Wen-li's character and plotline to Reinhard's. He just seems to have much better supporting characters and the political intrigue of the Free Alliance seems more realistic and relatable than the courtly stuff. Jessica Edwards' activism, for instance, is far more interesting than the tepid Annerose. I realise I'm only a short way in and there's plenty that could change to make me like the Imperial episodes more.
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From what I've seen so far, having Kircheis as his motivation would make a whole lot more sense. At least Kircheis seems to have some kind of personality. As an aside: I'm absolutely loving the design on show in this. Both factions are clearly delineated in fashion, architecture, and technology. The Free Alliance terminal PC things are particularly interesting - one of the few computery things I've seen in an old show that don't seem hilariously dated. Chas McGill fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jan 14, 2012 |
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All right, I'm on episode 14 and I can see why LoGH is held in such high esteem. There isn't really anything else like it in anime, at least not that I know of. Absolutely loving how the scale shifts from cataclysmic space battles to the importance of botany on colony worlds to political intrigue to the pilots who fly fighters that just look like dots on the screen most of the time. Tremendous. It's good enough to make me curious about the novels. Is there an English translation available?
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Uznare posted:That being said Yang Wenli is the chillest dude to ever live. He is Agreed. I particularly like how he sits on the bridge. I've never heard of tea with brandy before, though.
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The foreshadowing of High Admiral Ovlessor and his eventual appearance in episode 20 is masterful, as is use of music throughout the episode. Modern anime would have lovely nu-metal in the battle scenes. Also, Oberstein's voice actor, bearing, and lines make me think of him as a Mentat from Dune. He's an excellent character.
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I just jumped into the main series without bothering with the films. Have I actually missed anything?
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DamnGlitch posted:Yeah watch the gaiden if you wanna see the LoGH guys do scooby doo. That actually sounds well ace. Spoilers for the later season 1 episodes: The way the peaceful protest escalates until Jessica's death and the riot afterwards was painful to watch. I've never seen anything like that in an anime. While it was a real shame to kill off one of the few (the only? I guess there's Frederica Greenhill) female characters in the show, it was a pretty drat effective way to put conflict into context and give it some emotional meaning. Somehow it didn't come across as cynical. The Annerosebud thing is becoming clearer to me now, but the whole premise of Reinhard's motivation and ambition is made weaker by her lack of character. At the moment it seems more like he's just used the liberation of his sister as a weak excuse for being a power mad poo poo. The vaseline coated montages of their childhood didn't convince me in the slightest. Does Julian's origin become clearer in later episodes? At the start of the series I thought that perhaps he was just Yang's ward in the old Greek student/mentor way, since the FPA seems to have something of a City States influence to it (democracy, Spartanians etc), but no one else seems to have a Julian equivalent.
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OK. So I just watched episode 26. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIT! I guess I was right in thinking that Kircheis would be a better motivation for Reinhard. How often does this happen to people who are new to the series?
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Jan 21, 2012 04:03
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Kircheis posted:I like your quote. Is there any other anime series that is so quotable? As I've watched more of the series, I've become more and more curious about how it was translated. Is there any resource for reading about stuff like that?
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That whole sequence (this whole show) makes me feel like the original novel must have been the Japanese Dune. They frequently touch on similar issues (consider the episode where the imperial officer tries to kick start agriculture on a colony planet; they have a massive cast of characters and their attendant political and personal motivations; and the presence of 'outdated' political systems like Imperialism in what seems like the far future. There's also the directional zeta gas that parallels the use of shields in Dune as an excuse for infantry to engage in melee combat! And how about Phezzan playing the role of Ix or Bene Tleilax as a technologically superior middle state? Not sure if this is a drum that has been banged before or not, but I keep being struck by the similarities. Chas McGill fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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I always understood the knife fighting to be a product of a fear of the Zeta radiation stuff that blows up when lasers hit it. Similar to the rationalisation of shields and hand to hand combat in Dune.
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UberJew posted:Yang hasn't really done anything yet, he will later. Yang is one of the few anime protagonists to genuinely surprise me with their cunning. His fake asteroid fleet at the battle of Vermillion.
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Nephilm posted:No, I meant extreme "we just rubbed hulls with the enemy" close range space combat. Up to 15 now. The series has also so far been very one sided on when a character is supposed to be a "good" guy or "bad" guy, but that's unavoidable in fiction I guess? But yeah, the Yang sections get better once he actually starts doing poo poo instead of focusing on his personal drama. Reinhard's is entertaining, Yang's is just bleh. The ship combat is so far removed from what seems plausible in the future (ie: extreme long range, high speed stuff akin to Iain M. Banks' Culture books) but it's probably more interesting to watch in anime form as a result. In one episode they mention that there's too much radio jamming for fleet communications to work, so they actually send a shuttle with a paper message to the frontlines... As for the good guy/bad guy stuff, it definitely gets a bit less binary. In fact, a lot of what the series seems to be about is trying to make the 'right' decision when your options are so compromised that every decision might be morally suspect.
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Can we all just agree that Walter Von Schenkopp is the supreme lovemaker in the Yang fleet, not Olivier Poplan?
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Breaky posted:Absolutely I just watched episode 62.  I've finally seen "Do you have a girlfriend, young man?". Schenkopp is the coolest character I've seen in anime. I really hope he doesn't die :'(.
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I can look past the lack of realism for the most part. The scale and intrigue keep me watching. I'm up to episode 67 now and I'm still more interested in the Alliance side of things. In fact, I think I skipped through about half of episode 66 because it was just Reinhard shuffling his admirals again. The importance of showing the planning of future campaigns is not lost on me, but I feel the show sometimes devotes far too much time to scenes that are essentially just lists of names. This doesn't seem to happen quite as frequently on the Alliance side - probably because they simply don't have as many talented young bucks. The Alliance supporting characters like Schenkopp, Frederica, Poplan, and Trung (sandwichman) are more vibrant in my mind than their Imperial counterparts, though I like Ruental and Oberstein well enough.
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Big spoilers - So, episode 82.  There was so much foreshadowing in the preceding couple of episodes that I knew it was going to happen (and the god drat title of the episode!) but it was still a shock and I must admit I loosed a single teardrop in honour of the Magician. Cazellnu's choked up voice when he says that Yang's death violates the natural order of things really got me. His death absolutely fits with the recurring theme of historical untidiness and realism in the show, though. Yang made a dunce of Reinhard in their every meeting, yet he suffers a lonely death to a character that isn't even named. He doesn't even get a chance to impart final words to Julian. I also liked how everyone was shown to mourn differently: Julian goes berserk, Schenkopp is pragmatic, Poplan drinks, Reinhard sulks. Frederica's voice acting when Julian tells her the bad news was some of the best I've heard in anime. It'll be strange to watch the show without Yang. Reinhard simply doesn't compare and I don't really see how to two were even considered rivals. At least he'll have a chance at winning a battle now that Yang's gone, though I worry that Julian will continue to excel in everything that his colourless self touches...
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Well, I've finally finished it. What a journey. Should I just quit watching anime while I'm ahead?
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Chinook posted:Honestly, it wouldn't be a bad note to go out on. I'm only half joking. I think if I watched something set in a high school now I'd throw up even more than I used to. Can't really see how anything can compare to the elegiac seriousness and scale of LotGH. That said: Reinhardo-sama thoroughly disappointed me throughout the series. His tactics?: overwhelm the enemy with continuous waves until they break down. His personnel decisions?: either moronic or deliberate in fomenting conflict and rebellion (appointing Reuental as governor of Neue Land, sending Fahrenheit and the Boar to execute a holding action near Iserlohn, knowing full well that they're his two most easily provoked admirals). His reforms and honour are plus points, though the latter smacks of macho sentimentality. Consider the final battle. Hadn't Julian already proven his willingness to shed blood for his ideals? The continuation of the battle is completely unneccessary. It demonstrates his bloodlust and little else. I ended up seeing him as a mass murdering Dick Dastardly rather than a glorious golden emperor.
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There's a contract clause stating that every anime requires some kind of wunderkind. Julian's teachers were among the greats, though, to be fair: Yang - the tactical mastermind. Schenkopp - death on two legs/Harrison Ford impersonator. Poplan - The "Red" Baron. Kircheis - Inspirational handshake.
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Kircheis posted:Back in 2002, Noboru Ishiguro was at the Legend of the Galactic Heroes panel at Anime Expo in LA. During the panel, they were giving out prizes to people who asked questions, and some of the prizes were cels from the series. I lucked out and got a cel of Julian, which he and the producer, Yukio Kikukawa, were nice enough to sign for me. I still have it framed on my mantle. Thanks for all of the fantastic series you directed, Isiguro-san. That's lovely. Kuvo posted:In all the show was fantastic and I'm a bit sad that I'm done with it. Japan, please make more anime like this instead of Moe High School Idol Harem Anime #30495
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Could you elaborate? I thought the dearth of adult anime was down to companies targeting kids because the adults didn't have as much interest any more. Not that there isn't anything worth watching for adults (we're here, after all), though. There just seems to be far less of it.
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Nephilm posted:poo poo like Lucky Star and K-ON doesn't target kids bro, it targets 30+yo manchildren. The industry realized that they don't need to appeal to a wide audience when they can appeal to a small hardcore audience that has way more purchasing power. DamnGlitch posted:Manbabbies. Specifically, single men with disposable income they dedicate to purchasing merchandise. Wow. So I'm guessing it's a kind of escapist fantasy complex or something? I know that there are a lot of Westerners into shows that look like they'd be exclusively for kids, but I thought that was down to the exotic allure of them being foreign. I didn't think they had a market for adults in Japan. Kind of like how people don't feel weird being seen reading Le Petit Prince* as an adult. Can't really relate to it either way. I'm glad that shows like LotGH exist, though. *Probably a bad comparison. Sorry, Antoine.
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Nephilm posted:Doesn't that account for like 90% of all fiction? In the specific case of the anime industry you can point out how an audience grew up watching, for instance robot shows and... well, never stopped liking them, which is a completely legitimate position. And however you may look at them, some of these shows that look childish are specifically aimed at these same grown-up audiences (compare to adult cartoons like The Simpsons and Ren&Stimpy; something like MLP *is* aimed at children) and those are the ones that hit, because anime for little kids are their own category. The trait of manchildren would be mostly attributed to the fact that in many cases they're spending a significant percentage of their livelihood on overpriced merchandise, not to mention a blatant embrace of the most extreme excesses of said materialism and/or associated manias/fetishes. Mm. Of course a great deal of fiction is escapist, but I'm still having trouble imagining why a grown up would fantasise or relate to lollipop-headed, shrieking five year olds running around and shooting magic out of their bloated eyes. Maybe I grew up differently to most because I didn't watch much TV when I was a kid, so a lot of this kind of thing doesn't have a nostalgia factor for me. Takes No Damage posted:Aren't there entire shows that are bankrolled on the calculation of whatever small percentage of the market will pay hundreds of (converted) dollars to buy the series / merch after it has aired? It would be really cool if we got some independent and unique types of shows to get made that way because it wouldn't matter as much when their ratings tanked while they aired. Probably just more loli jr high dance party shows though I always thought Welcome to the NHK was kind of an extreme parody of this kind of culture, but it seems more and more like a hard hitting documentary with every post... DamnGlitch posted:Haha. It looks almost like they had a totally different artist come in to draw big bitches. Seriously. I bet they had to contract outsiders to come in and draw the other partially nude/topless scenes as well. "Hey man, we need you to come in and draw Elfriede's bare back!" That said, I absolutely love how all the hairstyles are drawn in LotGH. Reinhard's mane is more detailed than many of the battleships.
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Seriously, the range of hairstyles is wonderful. I particularly like Reuental's Clark Gable.
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Even if I didn't like it (I really did) I'd have to concede that there's nothing quite the same as LotGH out there. I tried watching Crest of the Stars but the art style is so hideous compared to LotGH that I never made it past the first episode.
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Nephilm posted:Wow really? I guess you hate any depiction of humans that doesn't follow perfectly realistic proportions? That's an interesting extrapolation based on what I said. It's true that I do prefer more realistic depictions of humans, but you can hardly accuse me of not liking anything that isn't perfectly proportionate after I've been singing praise for LotGH. I wouldn't post so often on the anime forum about various animes that aren't photorealistic, would I? Crest of the Stars just didn't look good to me, so I stopped watching it. Chas McGill fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Apr 6, 2012 |
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Rakugoon posted:Despite Nephilm apparently liking it, Crest and Banner are quite good and get consistently better as they go, both content and art wise. GIS Banner III if you want to see how drastically the art style changes. Mm. But can I be bothered getting through all that? Probably not. Maybe I'm a terribly shallow person. Maybe I just don't dig the concept of space elves. Anyway, to get back on topic: now that I've finished the main series, which of the side stories is worth checking out? Bear in mind that I don't really like Reinhard, so I don't want to watch something that's only about him.
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Rakugoon posted:The good thing about the prequels is that even though they're Reinhard centric, Kircheis does all the footwork. Also Schenkopp is basically the main character in at least one of them. I'll definitely watch one with Schenkopp as the main character. Authorman posted:I finally finished watching this show and if it wasn't for this forum (and specifically the wiki) I wouldn't have sat through 2+ days of LoGH content over these past few months. But whatever I would have done instead wouldn't have even held a candle to it. Yeah, normally I'd feel like a terrible person for watching over 100 episodes of an anime, but this was worth it. At the end I had the same feeling as when I finish a good book and gently close it, patting the cover in appreciation and satisfaction.
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Rakugoon posted:First they elect an unmarried socialist and now this. Why must America suffer while the French enter a Golden Age.
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I think most people feel the same way when they finish. Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Ruining Other Animes Since 1988.
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I don't know how the ship combat is described in the books, but I'm guessing they made the ships explode because it was easier to animate big balls of fire than giving them detailed, realistic damage modeling. Also, having scenes with mobile ships would be costly to animate, too. That's probably why the fighter ship battles later on kind of seem like set-pieces. Maybe I'm wrong, though. God I miss being able to look forward to watching this series.
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Crazy Ferret posted:Thanks for the responses everyone! This comment actually made it click with me. I remembered one particular admiral, Erlache I believe, trying to swing his ship around to engage in the second movie, showing his broadside and getting destroyed in result. The weapons in the front to reduce the profile also makes good sense within this universe. There seems to be a lot of neat details I will enjoy finding.
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I just started watching Spiral Labyrinth (after watching the main series) and am quite enjoying it, although the animation doesn't seem to be as high quality somehow. Am I right in thinking than Schenkoff appears in the Gaiden at some point?
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DamnGlitch posted:Not that LoGH ever had particularly high quality animation, but there's something nicer about the hand animation of the main series compared to those (very digital and cheaper looking) Side Stories.
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Psycho Landlord posted:So that this isn't just a black bar post, Schenkopp is best character and I will fight anyone that says otherwise In an anime filled to the brim with righteous badasses, Schenkopp is the baddest.
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UberJew posted:I cannot turn down my man Schenkopp, fortunately the internet has provided Holy poo poo. I have an urge to print that out and colour it in with crayons.
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