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Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same...



Legend of the Galactic Heroes is a long-running science-fiction / space opera / epic war anime series based on the novel series of the same name written by Yoshiki Tanaka. It was released direct to video from 1988 to 1997, spanning a movie and 110 episodes, making it one of the longest (if not the longest) OVAs of all time.

In the 35th Century, mankind has spread throughout the galaxy. And where man travels, war is sure to follow, and the space is no different. Two factions, the Galactic Empire and the Free Planets Alliance have been fighting a fruitless and tireless war for 150 years with little indication of one side actually gaining ground. The war effort has been reduced to a political staging ground, where the rhetoric of politicians and nobles send millions to their deaths to further their own goals on the home front. Neither side seems particularly interested in changing the status quo, and instead exploit it for their own greedy profit.

But the these turbulent times are soon to change with the rise of two men on either side: Reinhard von Lohengramm, a young upstart of a noble with revolutionary ideals for the Empire and a desire to rescue his older sister from a tragic fate, and Yang Wenli, a humble yet irregular man who yearned to become a Historian, but found himself forced into the FPA military to pay the way for it...only discover himself rapidly rising in the ranks due to his superior skill in strategy and tactics. Amidst a sea of corruption and backstabbing, these two men and their allies will clash against each other in a stagnant war that is soon to see some drastic changes...

It's perhaps the space opera to end all space operas. At the very least, I doubt any argument can be made that there has been any sort of endeavor in animation nearly on the level of this. Despite a long length of 110 episodes, there is virtually no filler, and the production values remain strong throughout. The soundtrack consists entirely of classical music (and many original, classically style tracks), giving the series an sophisticated feel that fits the visuals well. As the popular TVIV simulwatch showcased, the appeal of this series that is truly universal...the only requirement being a want of science-fiction to begin with.

So, where do I get started?

Since the series is unlicensed, and sadly will probably remain that way forever, you will be able to find everything here:
Torrents: Here. For more specific links that you don't need to log in to see: Series, Movie I, Movie II.

But the animation is old/bad and the source quality must suck!

Nope! Even for something made in the 80's, it looks pretty drat great. DVD-rip versions of the whole series exist now. Video and animation quality really shouldn't be a concern here.



Am I really supposed to remember a cast this big?!

Don't worry, there are often little subtitles that pop up when a character is being re-introduced. The cast is huge but you will have little trouble remembering who is important. The focus is spread out surprisingly well, and anyone that hasn't been shown in a while will be re-introduced. The actual number of faces you will get to know on some intimate level is probably less than two dozen, and there are still only about 6 or so Main Characters. But all of the characters are extremely memorable! The studio got this poo poo figured out, don't worry your pretty little head OK? You will remember who you need to remember, and probably end up remembering literally everyone anyways.

It's too god drat long! I don't have the time!

Yes, it's a large investment of time. But it's not like this poo poo takes a long time to get very interesting. Not a moment is wasted, the momentum at which the story picks up very quickly even in the first season is staggering. And it's kind of hard to have an actual, genuine, "epic" without a bit of a journey under its feet, wouldn't you say? It's long but, even if you pace yourself, that's a good thing with a series of this quality. It never overstays itself or drags things out.

Oh god there's so much where do I start / what do I watch first?

There are two movies, a main 110 episode series, and two side-story prequel series that add up to 52 episodes as well. It's understandable that there might be some confusion, so let's try to clear that up now.

This is the generally recommended viewing order:

Movie 1 - My Conquest is the Sea of Stars
Movie 2 - Overture to a New Battle (Replaces Episodes 1 and 2)

Main Series (Episode 3 to Episode 110)

(Optional Prequels)
Gaiden 1 - 4 Episodes
Gaiden 2 - 4 Episodes
Gaiden 3 - 4 Episodes
Gaiden 4 - 12 Episodes
Spiral Labyrinth - 14 Episodes
Mutineer - 4 Episodes
The Duelist - 4 Episodes
Retriever - 4 Episodes
3rd Battle of Tiamat - 2 Episodes

The ADTRWiki Entry has some reviews and additional links, including to the TVIV thread/ reference resources.

OLD OP posted:

I was searching for Legend of Galactic Heroes (Ginga Eiyu Densetsu) on the hub the other day and was sorely disappointed to find practically nothing in any way related to it. This is a sad state of affairs because Legend of Galactic Heroes is, perhaps, the most drop-dead amazing space-opera since 2001. It's an older series that many of you surely know about, but for those who don't, please consider downloading it as you wade through the seemingly endless stream of drivel (or not so drivel) that is currently coming out of Japan.

As I said, there are many ADTRW users who have seen more of LoGH than I, but I will do my best to describe the series without any spoilers. First of all, Legend of Galactic Heroes, a 110 episode OVA distributed over the course of nearly ten years from 1988-1997, is probably the most expansive show I've ever had the pleasure to see. The enormous cast galavants about the galaxy deciding the fates of millions at a time. The politics is beautifully done and painfully realistic. Some of the parallels between the players in the show and real world political figures are disturbing to say the least. The battles are enormous and the tactics are not only essential, but rational and intriguing (characteristics that are missing from so many animated war stories). The moral dilemmas presented in the story also serve to make it unique and more complex than your average space-opera (say, Star Wars).

Yet, despite the sheer vastness of every element of the show, each individual character is captivating in his or her own right. Even bit-players or characters that appear for only an episode are well developed. Though the story is massive, individuals shine brightly and lend credence to title of the show; this is, in fact, about individual heroes. One person doing great deeds. Much of this is possible due to the creative genius of the creator Tanaka Yoshiki, who also wrote a Shoujo manga version of LoGH, and the director Ishiguro Noburo who, you may recall, directed a little show called SDF: Macross. The character designs are also superb; each character is easily distinguishable and well complimented by his or her appearance.

The general gist of the story is that a corrupt democracy called the Free Planets Alliance and a similarly far-flung absolutist monarchy, the Galactic Empire, have been embroiled in decades of conflict. As the Alliance becomes more and more militaristic and irrational the court of the Galactic Empire is ever more prone to intrigue and deceit. In this context, brilliant tacticians Yang Wenli (Alliance) and Reinhard von Lohengramm (Empire) navigate their deteriorating governments and pit their skills against each other. The two have very different attitudes and goals, but they are destined to do battle nonetheless.

Although Lohengramm and Yang Wenli are the two protagonists a host of other characters spice up the story and very often take center stage. In fact, Yang and Reinhard are usually not the most important characters in a given episode.

LoGH, criminally, is not available on R1 DVD. Several companies have expressed interest in distributing the show in the US, but each has requested that buyers pre-order a limited edition set for roughly $1700-$2000 for 45 DVDs. The DVDs would also include the two short LoGH OVAs and two Movies. It's been a while since anyone has made any comments in regard to possible licensing deals and it does not seem that the companies are receiving enough commitments to make the release commercially viable. Perhaps this would change if they decided to sell the show for a reasonable price and on fewer discs. In my experience, mentioning LoGH to major licensers at cons usually elicits little more than a shrug and some doublespeak.

47 subtitled episodes are available for download. However, these 47 are very low-quality rips from old VHS tapes so I recommend checking out Central Anime's version. So far they have subbed 13 episodes and, after a long hiatus, appear to be on the ball again having released an episode every three or four days for several weeks now. I am unsure as to their raw source although I suppose it must be Laser Disc or R2 DVD. Bootlegs seem unlikely, but I suppose anything is possible. They don't have an irc channel or a website though so it is difficult to find much information about their releases.

You can download the series from:
broken link

Please use spoiler tags and or note how far along you are in the show if you want to discuss plot elements. I would hate to ruin this for anyone.

For the ADD crowd: Sorry if there are too many words here. Just click the above link and download LoGH. Also.

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Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



quote:

Coldbird came out of the closet to say:
Lohengramm is a driven adopted noble who wants to conquer the universe to ensure that it doesn't stay the craphole it was when he was young.

This is surely part of it, but after seeing thirteen episodes I get the sense that it had more to do with his sister complex. He is trying to rise so that he has the power to remove her from the imperial court as well as give the nobles a sound thrashing. Perhaps that changes somewhere along the line.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



quote:

Hikaru_Ichijou came out of the closet to say:
LOTGH has to be one of the greatest anime series ever. Anybody know if there is a site that lists all the songs used in the series? It'd be a good excuse to build up a classical music collection.

You are in luck.

And now that you mention it, I just might might do the same.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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Newtype came out of the closet to say:
Thanks for the heads up MoW, this looks like my kind of show. I'll have to check it out

No problem man. I'm glad that there are so many people in ADTRW who have already seen and enjoyed it, but it's even better to get get new people on board.

Incidentally, C-A released episode 17 today so... hurrah for consistent fansubbing.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



C-A is now up to episode 21.

More importantly, from ANN:
"ADV may consider publishing translations of Japanese novels related to anime properties, such as Kino's Journey, Legend of Galactic Heroes, and Banner of the Stars"

Frankly, I don't trust anyone at ADV to write English well enough to make it interesting, even if s/he can translate the Japanese. Even so, it would be cool if that happens and if it does well... who knows, maybe we'll get DVDs in the US. Wishful thinking, I know.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



quote:

OneGreatTurtle came out of the closet to say:

Now I can look like Yang Wenli

But for $240? I'd rather by LoGH DVDs with that. Oh wait.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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froobly came out of the closet to say:
To be fair, there are only 29 episodes to be downloaded so far.

Lohengramm is Hitler. Discuss.

Having seen only 29 episodes, you can get quite a few more, by the way, but they are a lower in quality, I would say he's nowhere near evil enough. He desires dominance, but not the cleansing of the race. Oberstein may have what it takes to be assigned the Hitler mantle, Lohengramm, remember, is still just doing this because of his sister complex. Even when he becomes defacto leader of the republic he still has non-power reasons to take over the galaxy. Namely, Kerchis' dying wish.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



Stop maliciously posting my macro (it's also "hidden" in the first post of this thread).


Yes, Legend of Galactic Heroes is full of men. Who cares. In case you hadn't noticed, militaries tend to be male dominated institutions. Other heavy military shows like Gundam et al. and Macross have women in them, but none are so serious as LoGH. They are military lite.

As for the likeness of rhetoric and/or political situations, I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I don't think human nature is terribly variable over time and place. It's not eerily similar, but rather expectently similar.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



Anyone know what's up with CA? It's been three week since they released an episode.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



After a nigh interminable 36 day wait: http://a.scarywater.net/ca/Legend%20of%20Galactic%20Heroes%20eps%2031%20-%20Central%20Anime%20%20(62976d91)%20.avi.torrent

edit: vvv Thanks. I never quite figured that out.

Man of Wax fucked around with this message at Jan 28, 2005 around 17:26

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



quote:

Cardboard Box A came out of the closet to say:
What's the difference between the Miscellaneous and Central Anime subs for this?

Miscellanious are encodes off of the old VHS tapes. Central Anime actually made those tapes back in the day (so not exactly new, I suppose) but it appears they've secured digital version either on LD or DVD and are now transferring their scripts while making a few edits here and there. The result is vastly superior quality and a definite source. Whoever was encoding his VHS collection must have run out of fansubbed episodes.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



Henrique Martino Borges De Arantes E Olibeira is definitely the best name ever. Those of you interested in political theory hopeflly enjoyed the intellectual battle between Yang Wenli and Aristotle in episode 31.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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Syllogism came out of the closet to say:
Episode 32

Yes, it was awesome as usual. Next episode looks like more space battles as only LoGH can do. With every episode I watch LoGH inches closer and closer to being my favorite anime of all time. There was no Aristotle in this episode, but there was some very, I mean very, loose Adam Smith (the notion of the martial spirit) and, as always with the Free Planets Alliance, Machiavelli. Good to see that CA is back on track. It was getting scary there for a while.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



Episode the 33rd

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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Hildgrim came out of the closet to say:
Delete and then redownload episode 34 here!
What the gently caress?! poo poo. It takes me forever to dl this stuff and now they pull this faggotry. God damnit. Is there anything wrong with the original or was the torrent just messed?

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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Hildgrim came out of the closet to say:
Someone please do a diagram over the different families. I'm having a really hard time keeping track of every new character that comes up in every episode.

Whose relationship do you not understand? I think it's been fairly clear so far.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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Belldandy came out of the closet to say:
How is the progress with this show lately?

Painfully slow. Central Anime is usually solid, but it's been three weeks since the last release and they haven't been subbing consistently since December. Apparently the next episode is translated but hasn't been checked yet or something. I find this curious since Central Anime subtitled this show well beyond the current point years ago on VHS so they shouldn't even have to btoher translating anything at all.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



I think I'm going to be sick if there's no new LoGH in the next week.

Sorry, the forum was cut back to thre pages.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



This is the most blatant prune-protection bump in the history of man. Central-Anime claims they have not given up, but they sure as poo poo aren't doing anything to prove it.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



Wow, that's awesome man. Where do we get up to 54 though? I see through 47 for the crappy VHS on animesuki, but I'm not sure where to find others (except the hub maybe).

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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Defiler came out of the closet to say:
Hub, back in the mists of time.
I can hook you up, if you'd like.

When I get home and can access DC I will request just that.

quote:

Anime-Central came out of the closet to say:
We hope to get more out starting in June. Our translation checker is done with his event but still has work and such that occupy his time. But hopefully soon.

Let us know what can be done to help Defiler.

vvv I'm not that good at Japanese, but if you need editing for the translated script I can provide.

Man of Wax fucked around with this message at May 5, 2005 around 01:28

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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Naky came out of the closet to say:
Who the gently caress watches Touch TV anyway?
I do. The show is awesome, not to mention one of the most popular series in history.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



In my opinion, the CG stuff is awful, but if that is for real I will be mighty intrigued. Someone who uses azureus please let us know soon.

edit: If it is, in fact, the real deal then it's a fantastic gently caress you to central-anime. Apparently CA has finally begun to make some progress again and this is just making them look foolish.

edit2: The fact that it isn't on animesuki does not bode well.

edit3: From the Central Anime forums "Those are the HK DVD rips with the new added CG footage and english soft sub." The subs probably suck.

Man of Wax fucked around with this message at Jun 30, 2005 around 02:30

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



quote:

Spazzle came out of the closet to say:
LOGH 35 out

http://a.scarywater.net/ca/logh%20eps%2035%20-%20Central%20Anime%20(a22ac27e)%20.avi.torrent
At last. At long last. I don't even remember what happened in episode 34.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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eXXon came out of the closet to say:
Reuentahl
Wins due to the Norio Wakamoto effect. If he were played by any other actor Oberstein would my pick as well. It's too bad for the Alliance that they have only one worthwhile personality on their side (Yang). If you want deviousness though, Ruppert Kesserlink has to be up there. He is not as much of a bastard as Oberstein (let's kill millions of people for political gain!), but he is a tyrant in the making and he clearly wants to kill his dad.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



quote:

Daryl Surat came out of the closet to say:
Paul von Oberstein is my favorite character. But Oberstein isn't a bastard, nor is he devious or even evil.

He's the ultimate pragmatist (think Jack Bauer from 24, only without the one-man army capability), doing exactly what needs to be done as dictated by the Overall Value Principle in order to assure Reinhard's success.
Whether or done in the name of pragtasim or otherwise, the slaughter of millions of innocents for the political gain of one man is immoral. It really doesn't matter how rational he is, Oberstein clearly holds human life in contempt and deserves to be hated for it.

I think comparing him to Hawkeye or Boss Borot is an of the purest reductionism. So much so that the analogy is essentially meaningless. Sure, they're all sidekicks, but that's about it. They have entirely motives and means.

Man of Wax fucked around with this message at Jul 8, 2005 around 20:33

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



There is a party in my pants.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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Uberfrog came out of the closet to say:
Episode 39 is out !

http://a.scarywater.net/ca/logh eps...7) .avi.torrent
Another good episode, although not that well animated. Julian sure is young for his new post though. If there is any reasonable criticism of LoGH it may be that the characters are, for the most part, way too young for their jobs.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



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Uberfrog came out of the closet to say:
To be fair, the trend of having young people not active in society is fairly recent, probably something to do with the extension of life expectancy. I can imagine very well that future societies will adapt, and make the young active sooner again. To me there's no valid reason to why an intelligent kid should spend so much time in school and start living in the real world only at age 20 to 25, considering how slow the pace of modern mass education is, in a proper environment one could do the entire primary and secondary curriculum in half the current time no problem and get valuable life experience (and maturity) way earlier.
Reinhardt did enjoy a meteoritic career to say the least, but having 15 year old orderlies would be nothing new though, similarly I don't find a 16 year old space fighter pilot shocking, quite on the contrary. Reflexes, quick thinking, and ability to withstand stress only diminish with age. Aircraft fighter pilots in the world wars (and still nowadays when they start training) were for the most part under 20 for good reason. Come to think of it, a posting as a military attaché to such a critical place as Phezzan is a bit much. Then again it seems that Yang is pretty much alone in giving a poo poo about Phezzan, everyone in the Alliance is expecting the Empire to go through Iserlohn, so to his superiors Phezzan may be perceived as a backwater just full of bankers (basically, thieves). It seems also that Julian was of some use in the defense of Iserlohn, he probably has some strong recommendations by people like Merkatz who saw some value in him.

It's also made pretty clear that Reinhardt (and Siegfried of course) would have gotten nowhere had his sister not been loving His Imperial Highness the Galactic Kaiser Friedrich IV von Goldenbaum. In feudal societies it was quite common to see some really young brat in command of regiments and armies just because he was prince so-and-so or whatever, at least until the time of Napoleon when war became serious business, and the Empire being modeled on such societies. Remember how in the beginning of Season 1 the other admirals don't take him, his abilities and his ambitions seriously.
The young brat in command was usually inept though. Great warriors and leaders in history are generally quite a bit older than twenty. Orderlies, fine, but undisputed leader and tactical genius is a bit much. Even so, Rheinhard isn't as hard to swallow as Julian. Not only is Julian too young for his post, but he is too much of a small fry in the military. He is Yang's buddy, true, but we all see that Yang does not make these decisions. My theory is that Julian is not being sent to Phezzan because he is particularly good at anything, but because the politicians want to isolate Yang. He has now lost Merkatz and Julian, if more of his people are reassigned it will only strengthen the case.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



With the number of episodes the show has spent building toward conflict, you know the next war is going to be a doozy. I'm eagerly awaiting the completion of this particular download.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



I'm wondering if anyone else has been having as much trouble with C-A's encodes as I have. I run the episodes in VLC and they always slow down. I get that thing where the video stops playing but the audio continues and then the video catched up. This happens even if VLC is the only program running. It doesn't matter if it's full-screen or not. I can play any other file with no problem whatsoever, but anything encoded by Central Anime plays like rear end.

vvv Ok, I'll try mplayer. Thanks for the tip.

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Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



Daryl Surat posted:

The good news: all of the LoGH side stories OAVs (including Golden Wings which used the manga character designs and different voice actors) plus the movies have now been Torrented: http://www.boxtorrents.com/download...28319/s.torrent

I am still debating whether I should download the encodes of the series that went up there, this new torrent included. I suppose if it's good enough the fans in this thread though, it should be good enough for me. If only Azureus would run without crashing my computer I might try downloading from 44 onward.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



With all of these comments, I don't think I can forego the torrents any longer. When I finally finish all this other poo poo I'm on I'm going to have to DL the HKs. Here's to hoping Azureus doesn't crash.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003




Thank goodness. I gave those HKs a shot and they are awful. I didn't realize that people's standards are so low. Seriously, those subs are rear end. They are understandable if I pause and parse out what's written, but they're really pretty distracting. Plus, I really don't like the redone animation. I think the edits killed much of the character of the show.

edit: This episode does not want to download.

vvv They redrew a lot of stuff from the original replacing it with digital animation, 3D compositing, and all kinds of shinyness. In my opinion, the new animators were either unable to replicate the original character designs or felt that changes (that I don't agree with) were in order.

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Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



Well, it may be 3 to 1, but, I don't know if everyone noticed, the alliance actually has competent commanders this time around. Bucock and Merkatz are both excellent, and Bucock's chief of staff seems like a capable man. The other admirals in the fleet seem like nothing special, but they will follow orders. The Alliance finally has some talent to back Yang up and that could make this a darn close one, possibly even an Alliance victory.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



abbad0n posted:

A cartoon? Is that knives I hear being sharpened in the distance?

I don't get this. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't look forward to new episodes of LoGH?

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



Just got around to episode 48. All that incredible build-up and holy poo poo did Rantemario deliver or what! Hopefully I can check out 49 tonight.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



abbad0n posted:

CA just released episode 50.

Which I just got around to watching. As usual, each episode gets better and better. Episode 49 had one of those great LoGH intellectual moments (when Yang and Julian are talking on the bridge) that I love so much. The show really is academically valid. LoGH is a like an entertaining refresher in international relations theory. The current conflict starting with Rantemaro totally delivers too. The series slowed down quite a bit after Iserlohn v. Gaiersburg, but not so anymore.

Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



Episode 54 was brought to you by: Friedrich Nietzsche as read by Leo Strauss. A line like "Democracy subsumes the power and spirit of the self" is about as Straussian interpretation of Nietzsche as I can think of. I also recently read Francis Fukuyama's The End of History and the Last Man which includes a chapter that discusses this very topic. I love how LoGH remains at all times intellectually valid.

That was a sattisfying half way point in every respect. I, of course, cannot wait for more.

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Man of Wax
May 20, 2003



Episode 55

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