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ravaeyn
Mar 10, 2004



I am a huge fan of the
Histories Mysteries show on the History Channel and when I saw this news article I thought others might like to read this.

RECENT NEWS ARTICLE

I never read The Davinci Code so I don't know what the news article is referring to. Maybe someone can enlghten me.

The Kensington Runestone is 31 inches high, 16 inches wide, six inches thick and weighs 202 pounds. Allegedly, more proof that Norse men were here a hundred years before Columbus. As a bonus it contains evidence the runes were carved by Templar Knights fleeing persecution.

I love reading about strange history, so feel free to share your favorite Historical Mystery here.

EDIT: Nobody here is claiming these stories are ABSOLUTE truth, they are just calling them into question. Please stop passing off the one line explainations as if they are facts. If someone comes in here spouting an OBVIOUS fraud such as piltdown man please feel free to slam them, but if the evidence against the incident is a theory (just like the evidence for it) then you can shut the gently caress up.

ravaeyn fucked around with this message at Jun 3, 2005 around 17:34

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klem_johansen
Jul 10, 2002

[be my e-friend]


Super-combo for 6 million points:

Money pit + Shakespeare

Bill Shakespeare was a bad actor with very little education, and yet he managed to pen some of the finest works to ever grace a stage. How did he do this? It's very possible that he didn't. Nobles of the time would not have dared write poetry or plays because it was seen as common or even pornographic. Bacon did do a good deal of writing, historians say, but it may have gone further than the paucity of samples we now have.

Bacon was also an amteur scientist who, among many other things, wrote a tetise on storing documents using mercury.

At the bottom of the famous money pit, what little they've been able to dig up has been a tiny bit of parchment and traces of mercury.

klem_johansen fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2005 around 17:25

HERTZ DONUT
Nov 25, 2003

by Fragmaster


1421.tv

V-Men
Aug 15, 2001

Don't it make your dick bust concrete to be in the same room with two noble, selfless public servants.

In terms of a mystery, I'm curious about the Roanoke colony.

tlc
Jan 6, 2005

dont send help

I've always wondered what the inventors of helicopters were thinking when they actually fitted ejection seats to early prototypes.

Stex T
Mar 7, 2005

Shut the fuck up and get out. Have fun being a slave of the rich and powerful.


The Cerne Abbas Giant.

http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/...rne_abbass.html

Nobody knows who made it, why a pagan symbol survived the puritanical times, and why this dude has such a monster cock.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



The question of whether Shakespeare really wrote all of the plays attributed to him is definately something I've always been interested in. In addition to what the above poster mentions (Shakespeare's lack of education) there is, with this, the fact that many of Shakespeare's plays demonstrate a detailed knowledge of the inner workings of court life - something which a commoner such as himself would have no realistic knowledge of. Of course many of Shakespeare's comedies and tragedies are simply reworkings of earlier Greek and Italian plays but that doesn't explain the histories, many of which involve the private lives of various English nobility - again something it'd be hard for a commoner to have much access to.

I've also been interested in the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau, which is mentioned in popular books like the Da Vinci Code and Holy Blood, Holy Grail and even several of Robert Anton Wilson's books. I haven't read the Da Vinci Code though I have read several other, equally dubious books on the matter and even visited several sites in that region of France. My favorite theory about the whole thing is the one put forth by Wilson - that is, the entire thing is an elaborate prank cooked up by the surrealists and Jean Cocteau.

I've also been interested in the fact that a lot of Incan ruins and hieroglyphs tend to depict space travel-related imagery.

Solly
Mar 21, 2005

That's a side effect of the marijuana poisoning.

quote:

tlc came out of the closet to say:
I've always wondered what the inventors of helicopters were thinking when they actually fitted ejection seats to early prototypes.

I allways thought the baldes were blasted off first then the ejector seat fired

Trot_to_Trotsky
Dec 9, 2000
Must... Destroy... Capitalism...

quote:

Earwicker came out of the closet to say:
I've also been interested in the fact that a lot of Incan ruins and hieroglyphs tend to depict space travel-related imagery.

Erich von Daniken is a fraud (and a gigantic idiot to boot), unless you're referencing something other than the "Chariots of the Gods" fiasco, then I apologize, and wish to hear more.


Oh, and as for mystery, the story of the two cities that may possibly be Soddom and Gammorah is really interesting. They found ruins of buildings with burnt roofs and all sorts of collapse damage, so of course people got a little nervous. Some science team put forth a workable theory that said beneath the ground was this funky tar stuff, and an earthquake of a certain magnitude could literally pull a city into the sea (it has happened before), shoot this tar poo poo into the sky, which is then easily flammable, and may only leave large, sturdy salt deposits in its wake.

Still, you can see how people in that era would fear the wrath of God...

Trot_to_Trotsky fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2005 around 18:00

InediblePenguin
Sep 27, 2004

the deadline has passed

"He Walked Around The Horses." In November 1809, Sir Benjamin Bathurst, the British ambassador to Austria, was returning from Vienna to England by coach. He stopped at an inn in Germany to check on the horses. His valet and coachmen were standing by the door of the coach, and he walked around the horses... and was never seen again.

Helter Stupid
Feb 23, 2005
Zen Koan: What is the sound of one hand jerking off?

quote:

Trot_to_Trotsky came out of the closet to say:


Erich von Daniken is a fraud (and a gigantic idiot to boot), unless you're referencing something other than the "Chariots of the Gods" fiasco, then I apologize, and wish to hear more.

Holy poo poo, that's a blast from the past. I remember being in grade school in the late 70s / early 80s when it was still fashionable to cater to this idiot. We watched videos at school supporting his theories. I went home and asked my parents about it, and they completely blew their tops over me having my education wasted. Thank god that guy is now recognized for being a total kook.

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have an oral fixation and it's not the sexy kind

The battle for los angeles always intreguided me. I mean, honestly, what more proof do we need of some sort of extra terrestial contact. A friggin saucer hovers over LA for a half hour in 1939, while we shine spotlights on it and pelt the ever loving poo poo out of it with flak cannons. Then it just skurries away. I'm not writing that one off to Hitler, it was something else.

Trot_to_Trotsky
Dec 9, 2000
Must... Destroy... Capitalism...

Yeah, the fact that his books are readily available in school libraries to this day really infuriates the little scientist in me.

Thank God we got that dirty talking Kurt Vonnegut out of there though.

Shonagon
Mar 27, 2005

It is impervious to reason or pleading, it knows no mercy or patience.

quote:

InediblePenguin came out of the closet to say:
"He Walked Around The Horses." In November 1809, Sir Benjamin Bathurst, the British ambassador to Austria, was returning from Vienna to England by coach. He stopped at an inn in Germany to check on the horses. His valet and coachmen were standing by the door of the coach, and he walked around the horses... and was never seen again.

He was, basically, a spy. He had information that foreign powers wanted. He was also a wealthy man in a time of poverty. And in the dark - HE VANISHED AWAY!

Looking for the least improbable explanation, I'd go for, in order:

1) He got abducted and murdered for his money, or for his information. Either the perpetrators were slick, or his valet and coachmen were bribed/threatened to keep their mouths shut about it.
2) He nacked off because he had better things to do than go home to his wife.
[...]
4,394) He got abducted by aliens

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



quote:

Trot_to_Trotsky came out of the closet to say:

Erich von Daniken is a fraud (and a gigantic idiot to boot), unless you're referencing something other than the "Chariots of the Gods" fiasco, then I apologize, and wish to hear more.

Honestly I don't remember where I read about it, could very well have been his stuff and thus bullshit, just thought I'd mention it as it's something I remember being interested in when I was a kid.

Kobalt
Mar 19, 2003



quote:

Earwicker came out of the closet to say:
I've also been interested in the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau, which is mentioned in popular books like the Da Vinci Code and Holy Blood, Holy Grail and even several of Robert Anton Wilson's books. I haven't read the Da Vinci Code though I have read several other, equally dubious books on the matter and even visited several sites in that region of France. My favorite theory about the whole thing is the one put forth by Wilson - that is, the entire thing is an elaborate prank cooked up by the surrealists and Jean Cocteau.

Didn't you play Gabriel Knight 3? It's vampires silly.

Oh, and Jesus/Joshua/Yeshua/Jehova/Yahaveh/YHVH lives there.

Diodeous
May 14, 2002



quote:

GodofLint came out of the closet to say:
The battle for los angeles always intreguided me. I mean, honestly, what more proof do we need of some sort of extra terrestial contact. A friggin saucer hovers over LA for a half hour in 1939, while we shine spotlights on it and pelt the ever loving poo poo out of it with flak cannons. Then it just skurries away. I'm not writing that one off to Hitler, it was something else.

Woah. I definitely want to hear more about this.

Rock Strongo
Dec 24, 2004

"It's said he killed a dragon once...but not this time"

The language of the people from Harappa. A pictographic script that people are still unable to decipher. While nothing really hints we'll get any major revelations if it's cracked, it will still be very interesting.

Las Simas de Huesos in Atapuerca is cool too. Some archaeologists found a gigantic pit filled with over 40 tons of human (and animal) bones in the back of a cave. Probably a burial pit, but the alternatives are pretty creepy.

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have an oral fixation and it's not the sexy kind

quote:

Diodeous came out of the closet to say:


Woah. I definitely want to hear more about this.

Here's a quick rundown of what happened.
http://www.rense.com/ufo/battleofla.htm
Sorry if the site seems a little amaturish, but it does quote the actual article from the LA Times from right after it happened. It still amazes me that this incident is so commonly over looked. I guess the WWII generation just wrote it off to Hitler shenaggans, though.

InediblePenguin
Sep 27, 2004

the deadline has passed

quote:

Shonagon came out of the closet to say:


He was, basically, a spy. He had information that foreign powers wanted. He was also a wealthy man in a time of poverty. And in the dark - HE VANISHED AWAY!

Looking for the least improbable explanation, I'd go for, in order:

1) He got abducted and murdered for his money, or for his information. Either the perpetrators were slick, or his valet and coachmen were bribed/threatened to keep their mouths shut about it.
2) He nacked off because he had better things to do than go home to his wife.
[...]
4,394) He got abducted by aliens
Yeah, because I'm interested by a history mystery means I automatically think he was abducted by aliens, right. It's still surprising that nobody saw him at the time, or ever again. He was in front of an inn, not out in the middle of nowhere. His coachmen and valet were right there. The hostler was working on the horses' harness, so he could have been no more than six feet away. The testimony of eyewitnesses during his stay at the inn implies that he was very nervous all day; requested a guard; then DISMISSED the guard two hours before his disappearance. It's all fishy, and intriguing - without anybody having to start flinging about stupid "UFO" comments.


Edit: Also, if he was murdered, it was most likely for his money. The peace with Austria had already been finalized, so nothing he'd have had on him on the way back would have been especially interesting or valuable to Napoleon.

indigenous nudity
Jun 17, 2004

we like to watch


quote:

Trot_to_Trotsky came out of the closet to say:


Erich von Daniken is a fraud (and a gigantic idiot to boot), unless you're referencing something other than the "Chariots of the Gods" fiasco, then I apologize, and wish to hear more.

So what exactly did this guy do, anyway? I was wading through some websites with info on him, but I thought you guys might have a more concise version of what happened.

Dvlos
Aug 26, 2003

"I came here to argue with you about a freaking television show!"

quote:

Trot_to_Trotsky came out of the closet to say:
Oh, and as for mystery, the story of the two cities that may possibly be Soddom and Gammorah is really interesting.

Is there a site on this?

Robot Hobo
May 17, 2002

Any idiot can find something wrong with anything.

That's what makes them idiots.


The Crystal Skull is a favorite OOPA of mine:

quote:

Without doubt the most famous and enigmatic ancient crystal is the skull, discovered in 1927 by F.A. Mitchell-Hedges atop a ruined temple at the ancient Mayan city of Lubaantum, in British Honduras, now Belize.

The skull was made from a single block of clear quartz, 5 inches high, 7 inches long and 5 inches wide. It is about the size of a small human cranium, with near perfect detail. In 1970, art restorer Frank Dorland was given permission to submit the skull to tests at the Hewlitt-Packard Laboratories. Revealed were many anomalies.

The skull had been carved with total disregard to the natural crystal axis, a process unheard-of in modern crystallography. No metal tools were used. Dorland was unable to find any tell-tale scratch marks. Indeed, most metals would have been ineffectual. A modern penknife cannot mark it. From tiny patterns near the carved surfaces, Dorland determined it was first chiseled into rough form, probably using diamonds. The finer shaping, grinding and polishing, Dorland believes, was done with innumerable applications of water and silicon-crystal sand. If true, it would have taken 300 years of continuous labor. We must accept this almost unimaginable feat, or admit to the use of some form of lost technology.

Modern science is stumped to explain the skill and knowledge incorporated. As Garvin summarized: It is virtually impossible today, in the time when men have climbed mountains on the moon, to duplicate this achievement...It would not be a question of skill, patience and time. It would simply be impossible. As one crystallographer from Hewlitt-Packard said, The damned thing shouldn't be.

Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2005 around 18:46

therapy
Jun 12, 2001

Living the dream


I've always been completely puzzled by the various weird rains. Frog rains, fish rains, squid rains, etc. Just randomly, over the last few hundred years, it's been documented that occasionally, a few hundred frogs or fish or something similar will just plummet down from a clear sky onto an unsuspecting town, usually with hundreds of witnesses or more.

I've never really read an explanation that made sense.

Also, the random poo poo where miners will crack open a rock and it's hollow inside and a toad or lizard will jump out and scurry off unscathed. A rock that's been there who knows how long.

Anyway, that's weird poo poo I'd like explained logically.

Dvlos
Aug 26, 2003

"I came here to argue with you about a freaking television show!"

quote:

Robot Hobo came out of the closet to say:
The Crystal Skull is a favorite of mine:

Some crazy (or maybe not so crazy) guy talked in my middle school, said he thought those skulls could be primitive ... radios. When planted with metal rods or something he said it picked up local radio stations and small sounds echoed from the "mouth" of the skull. He had other crazy theories, that the lines in Chile are airports of sorts, that Incas had built gliders and they rode them off mountains and landed them on the designs. That these gliders could have been used to make contact with Indian civilizations (pointed to some stone markers with inca type gods on them in india and vice versa).

EDIT: Forget a War of the Worlds remake, I would like to see some sort of Battle for Los Angeles type movie with a little exaggeration in the mix.

Kobalt
Mar 19, 2003



quote:

GodofLint came out of the closet to say:


Here's a quick rundown of what happened.
http://www.rense.com/ufo/battleofla.htm
Sorry if the site seems a little amaturish, but it does quote the actual article from the LA Times from right after it happened. It still amazes me that this incident is so commonly over looked. I guess the WWII generation just wrote it off to Hitler shenaggans, though.

Ok, that's freaky. That's a modern style triangle shaped UFO. ....for those who enjoy UFOs.

Edit: Nevermind. I was looking at the AA bursts.

Kobalt fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2005 around 18:51

Thenipwax
Jun 20, 2001

by Ozmaugh


quote:

therapy came out of the closet to say:
I've always been completely puzzled by the various weird rains. Frog rains, fish rains, squid rains, etc. Just randomly, over the last few hundred years, it's been documented that occasionally, a few hundred frogs or fish or something similar will just plummet down from a clear sky onto an unsuspecting town, usually with hundreds of witnesses or more.
This happens when waterspouts suck up water from ponds. It's a pretty logical explanation.

therapy
Jun 12, 2001

Living the dream


quote:

Thenipwax came out of the closet to say:

This happens when waterspouts suck up water from ponds. It's a pretty logical explanation.

Could you go into more detail? I've never heard this explained logically to me.

CountZero
Apr 17, 2005

by Ozma


quote:

therapy came out of the closet to say:


Could you go into more detail? I've never heard this explained logically to me.

a waterspout is essentially a tornado over a body of water, right? well, it sucks up all the small animals, moves over land, dissipates, and then all the small animals fall to the ground. voila, animal rain

Dvlos
Aug 26, 2003

"I came here to argue with you about a freaking television show!"

quote:

therapy came out of the closet to say:


Could you go into more detail? I've never heard this explained logically to me.

I've read the same thing, waterspouts are tornados that wander over water, be it the ocean, rivers, lakes whatever, animal life tends to get sucked up with the water and flung far away into the mainland when this happens.

Maize
Nov 16, 2002



quote:

GodofLint came out of the closet to say:


Here's a quick rundown of what happened.
http://www.rense.com/ufo/battleofla.htm
Sorry if the site seems a little amaturish, but it does quote the actual article from the LA Times from right after it happened. It still amazes me that this incident is so commonly over looked. I guess the WWII generation just wrote it off to Hitler shenaggans, though.

:hellnaw:

Seriously....that's some hosed up poo poo. If that's for real I have NEVER even heard a peep about this and I have watched drat near every single UFO special that's been on all of the educational channels over the last 5 years.

Maize fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2005 around 19:09

eexlebots
Jan 18, 2003


Growing up my dear hippy mother had a book of old mysteries, and several of them still bother me to this day.

1. The disappearance of the crew of the Mary Celeste. This was a ship that was on a transatlantic journey, the crew of another ship spotted it and the Celeste seemed very deserted. As in the past few hours kind of deserted. There was breakfast half eaten, tea still warm or somesuch, and a not very helpful captain's log. It almost seemed that the crew and passengers had just up and jumped off the side moments before the other ship spotted them.

2. Spring Heel Jack. He was sounded like a Victorian Era supervillain, kind of like someone spider-man would face if he lived in the shabbier parts of 19th-Century England instead of Modern-Day NYC.

Spring Heeled Jack would grab the ladies, spit fire in people's faces, scratch people with his claw-like fingernails, and leap from rooftop to rooftop, then back down to the street,then up again,etc. He looked human, save for the occasional report of fiery eyes/spitting flames (which may have been some alcohol-based solution anyway).

3. Those crazy moving coffins in Barbados: http://www.wintersteel.com/The_Moving_Coffins.html
WTF!!!

4. When the Devil Walked in Devonshire, England. Supposedly "Devils hoofprints" went along in the freshly fallen snow for miles and miles and miles, including through hedges and across half-frozen ponds and lakes.

Basically almost all of these stories appealed to the prankster in me, with the exception of the Mary Celeste, and all of them creeped me out as a youngster. As far as I know no one is any closer to figuring out what happened in any of these cases, but I'd love to hear that there has been a mystery or two solved (well, I think). Thank you weird yellow 70's book and "Strange Stories, Amazing Facts" collection!


Spring Heel Jack is my favorite, though. Gotta love that crazy jumping man.

therapy
Jun 12, 2001

Living the dream


quote:

Dvlos came out of the closet to say:


I've read the same thing, waterspouts are tornados that wander over water, be it the ocean, rivers, lakes whatever, animal life tends to get sucked up with the water and flung far away into the mainland when this happens.

But wouldn't it also suck up debris and poo poo from the water? Leaves, rocks, tree branches and twigs and dirt and stuff?

ravaeyn
Mar 10, 2004



quote:

Kobalt came out of the closet to say:


Ok, that's freaky. That's a modern style triangle shaped UFO. ....for those who enjoy UFOs.

Edit: Nevermind. I was looking at the AA bursts.

I think the triangle is from the spot lights? I think they frightened off Jesus! (funny...but not)


EDIT: Nevermind I think I see what you are looking at.

I think my favorite is the Mayan Calendar. Any ancient calendar that predicts the end of time at 2012 is freaky and cool.

ravaeyn fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2005 around 19:09

corillon
Jun 18, 2004

When you giggle you leak piss.

quote:

eexlebots came out of the closet to say:
Growing up my dear hippy mother had a book of old mysteries, and several of them still bother me to this day.

2. Spring Heel Jack. He was sounded like a Victorian Era supervillain, kind of like someone spider-man would face if he lived in the shabbier parts of 19th-Century England instead of Modern-Day NYC.

Spring Heeled Jack would grab the ladies, spit fire in people's faces, scratch people with his claw-like fingernails, and leap from rooftop to rooftop, then back down to the street,then up again,etc. He looked human, save for the occasional report of fiery eyes/spitting flames (which may have been some alcohol-based solution anyway).

Spring Heel Jack is my favorite, though. Gotta love that crazy jumping man.

Now that would be a neat movie. Or Elseworlds with Victorian Batman.

Robot Hobo
May 17, 2002

Any idiot can find something wrong with anything.

That's what makes them idiots.


quote:

Dvlos came out of the closet to say:
Some crazy (or maybe not so crazy) guy talked in my middle school, said he thought those skulls could be primitive ... radios. When planted with metal rods or something he said it picked up local radio stations and small sounds echoed from the "mouth" of the skull.
Well, the skull is said to have odd powers. Some people who have worked closely with it say that you can peer into it to see visions of the past or future. Some say it causes hallucinations and can hypnotize anyone who looks at it. Staff at the museum insist on having it covered with a thick black cloth at night, because it freaks them out.

Superstition and conjecture aside, I'm fascinated by it because we can't duplicate it. We now don't have the technology to remake this thing that was thousands of years old. So that leaves three options:

A- Whoever made this had technology that we have yet to match. Was this a single technique or tool that we haven't thought of, or was it one example of an advanced Atlantis-like culture that had high technology, then disappeared?

B- It was made slowly, over the course of HUNDREDS of years, by hand. (this seems amazingly unlikely, bt technically possible) If so, this thing must be intensely significant to some culture somewhere. You don't spend 10+ generations grinding away at a lump of crystal without a drat good reason. If so, why don't we know the significance if it? Why is it a mystery at all?

C- A wizard (or alien) did it.

Any of those answers would be incredibly historically significant.

Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2005 around 19:12

Dvlos
Aug 26, 2003

"I came here to argue with you about a freaking television show!"

quote:

therapy came out of the closet to say:


But wouldn't it also suck up debris and poo poo from the water? Leaves, rocks, tree branches and twigs and dirt and stuff?

I'm sure it does, and tosses them out at random, however if it sucks up some squid and throws it on your mailbox, I'm sure you'll see that first?

Old Trash Bag
Dec 11, 2003
"I'm quietly judging you."

This thread has blown my mind.

Oh, and go here for interesting reading (domain match from March...)
http://www.world-mysteries.com/

eexlebots
Jan 18, 2003


quote:

therapy came out of the closet to say:

But wouldn't it also suck up debris and poo poo from the water? Leaves, rocks, tree branches and twigs and dirt and stuff?

Maybe the vortex sorts the stuff out according to density...um...yeah that doesn't sound right. Frogs are the weirdest thing out of that bunch to be falling out of the sky, so maybe the people only really notice the frogs, and not the other stuff, which has a tendency to fly around in windstorms anyway (well, except for the rocks!)

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elf pr0n
Oct 13, 2002

They fucking better have lemon cakes.


I am obsessed with the Roanoke Colony, ever since I went there when I was 8 years old.

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