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Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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BusinessWallet posted:

I guess I don't understand what you mean. My co workers said that they didn't increase the RAM in the iPhone because it would have decreased battery life. I argued that was not true. Who was right?

It's impossible to know for sure. Apple engineers sat down and weighed a bunch of pros and cons: power consumption, design complexity, cost, user experience, and so on. Power definitely would have been a factor, but unless you happen to know senior people at Apple with uncharacteristically loose lips or have bugs in Cupertino, you can't really say whether it was the deciding factor.

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Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Ixjuvin posted:

I know exactly dick about modems and routers and networking and setting up internet things, but I'm the one responsible for buying my house a new modem/router. Our current one has poo poo out (getting a max of ~125kB/s on a ~1.3MB connection) and I'm apparently the only one who would actually like to be able to do more than buffer one youtube video at a time. The 'home networking' megathread is pretty much useless to me because I am a layperson and don't have enough knowledge to separate the information that's useful to me from the technobabble . We have Verizon DSL, is there any generally recommended router? Verizon's actual websites are totally unhelpful and just want to sell me telephones.

(the current router is a GT704WG)

You're probably not going to see a significant speed increase with the same service on a new modem. The transfer speeds you're looking at on your computer are in kilobytes per second, but Verizon quotes you a speed in megabits per second. Eight bits to the byte mean that your theoretical maximum speed on the wire is 162 kB/sec; with overhead for whatever protocol you're using and the rest of the internet, 125 is about what I'd expect to see. Since the limiting factor is what Verizon gives you rather than the modem itself, just switching out the modem won't give you a magical speed boost.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Ixjuvin posted:

Holy poo poo you're right, I was reading it as megabytes the whole time . Thanks for helping my dumb rear end, I guess it's time to just pay through the nose for cable or something, else I will never be able to enjoy Diablo 3.

I don't know about Diablo 3, but a lot of games use surprisingly little bandwidth. If you're the only person using the connection, then you can probably have a good experience. If not, you might still be able to finagle things with QoS to give your game traffic priority, although that would require a fancier router and housemates willing to go along with the plan. There's no getting around bandwidth requirements for other stuff, though; streaming video is always going to be low quality on a ~1 Mb/s connection, and patch days are always going to be painful.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Skilleddk posted:

I'm wondering about where the bottleneck is in my computer. I know my stuff is pretty much top of the line. But when I look at game benchmarks at review sites with the same hardware as mine, their results are always much higher than mine. For instance, they list a 2600K with 4 GB ram and a 5970 running BF 3 maxed at ~~58 fps, 45 lowest.

I have a 2500k (4.2ghz), 8GB 1333 DDR3, Radeon 5970 and a corsair 120 SSD. In BF3, I sometimes do get 60 fps on small maps like Metro or Seine. But when I get onto the bigger maps, I go below 40. Still playable but annoying.

The worst case is Crysis 2. People with worse graphics cards and processors can max the game out , and show it off to youtube with a steady 35-45 fps. If I max out Crysis 2, I get a goddamn slideshow averaging 20-30 fps.

Why is this happening? My PSU is more than enough (750W Corsair).


edit: All of this at 1900x1200, trying to run the games maxed out without ridiculous AA / AF.

How are you recording frame rates? Are you sure you're using the exact settings used by the benchmark configurations? For instance, Crysis 2's DX11 tessellation performance is notoriously awful; if you just wind every setting to absolute max, you'll end up with a small quality improvement and a big performance hit. And, of course, keep in mind that anybody on Youtube can tell you whatever they want about how they have things set up.

Sgs-Cruz posted:

We (my research group at a large institution) are building a workstation for use with Comsol Multiphysics, Siemens Solid Edge, and MATLAB use on Windows 7 x64. It has to be a Dell – my department gets a corporate discount and they like the Dell support. (Well, maybe it doesn't have to be, but it'll have to be a drat good deal if it's from somebody else.) Budget is about $5000–$5500 (US).

I had two questions about the Dell Precision tower line, that I didn't think rated their own thread and was hoping somebody here could help me with:

1. Do we know when Dell is going to upgrade the Precision workstation tower line with Xeon E5 Sandy Bridge processors? I'd hate to spend all this money only to have significantly more power available for the same price in a month. (New socket, too, so there's no upgrade path.)

2. The T7500 is available with a 256 GB solid-state boot drive. Does anyone know what brand that SSD is, and is it SATA-3 6.0 Gb/s, etc.? Is it possible to just buy the machine with a 1.5 TB ordinary SATA drive, and then add my own one of these or something? I guess that's a no-no on this kind of workstation-class hardware if I want to keep the warranty? Basically, I ask because Dell charges a shitload of money for their SSD (even given that it's 256 GB) and want to make sure that I'm really going to see the performance increase that I think I am.

Any other suggestions would be welcome. Thanks!

It shouldn't void the whole warranty to install aftermarket hardware, but it will definitely make any trouble harder to deal with. They'd be well within their rights to ask you to take your equipment out of the system and try again - exactly what you don't want to have happen when you've got an important deadline riding on whatever it's doing.

If you're looking at pricing through Dell's website, try to go through your institution instead. If your account has a bunch of big orders and service contracts, they'll be willing to give quite a bit on smaller purchases of high-margin items. Come up with a configuration you want, hand it over to your contact at Dell, and ask what they can do for you.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Harold Ramis Drugs posted:

My laptop is kind of old and it overheats to the point of shutting down when I play newer games (Skyrim, D3 for example). To counter this, I have been pacing myself between playing the games, and placing my laptop in a cool area for a couple minutes, then resuming. I have been using my freezer and also an enclosed area in my back yard in the wintertime.

My typical rhythm is about 60-90 minutes of gametime, and 15-30 minutes of cooling. Is this safe, or should I just allow my laptop to cool for a longer period of time at ambient temperature?

Also, can any of you recommend a completely badass cooling pad? The one I'm using was a discount purchase at Staples, and I get the feeling it's less than adequate for my heat dispersion needs.

Crack it open and clean out the heatsink fins. If it's a few years old, they're probably pretty dusty. If that doesn't help, you can go further with new thermal paste or even a new heatpipe module, but you shouldn't have to put your laptop in the freezer to make it work.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Karthe posted:

I'm thinking about picking up a webcam for my desktop so I can finally participate in G+ hangouts. Is Logitech the only game in town when it comes to stuff like this? If not, can you guys recommend me a good camera?

Logitech and Microsoft are the big names. For just chatting with people, you're fine with whatever's on sale from either company for $20 or so. Bottom-of-the-barrel generics might be fine, or they might have incredibly lovely drivers; since the price difference is only a few bucks, you might as well go with the name brands.

If you want better picture quality, some of the more expensive HD models are surprisingly good little cameras, but it'll all be compressed to poo poo for G+ anyway.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Samurai Sanders posted:

It's the scroll wheel, not the optical part. I mean, unless the scroll wheel is optical inside somehow, I have no idea.

Mouse wheels are usually optical, but they're optical in the same sense as the optoencoders in old roller mice. There's a slotted wheel and a couple of IR LED/photosensor pairs that shine through it. If the slotted wheel gets dirty, then it can have the problems you're describing.

Have you checked into the warranty? People usually don't call it in, but most MS input devices are 3 or 5 years, and they're pretty generous on the terms.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Samurai Sanders posted:

Oh yeah, so it does. I definitely don't still have the receipt though, and living in Hawaii getting warranty service would mean a week or two without a mouse and a lot of money for shipping, and that just ain't happening.

edit: my original question hasn't been answered yet: how universal is the Microsoft wireless keyboard/mouse receiver?

Not very universal; they've gone through a fair number of incompatible revisions. You might as well try it, but you're probably going to end up using two USB ports.

Seriously, though, try the warranty first. It used to be that you could just call them up, read the number and manufacturing date off the bottom of the mouse, and two days later the UPS truck would show up with a new mouse. I think they stopped doing that once people caught on that one mouse could turn into a lifetime supply, but they're still pretty generous. If it's still under warranty, I'd be very surprised if you had to pay for shipping (even to and from Hawaii).

Narzack posted:

As far as X-Box 360, is there a major difference in quality between compnonent and HDMI?

Not really.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Rukus posted:

Windows licensing states that you need to use a new product key if it's a new system. Is this a completely new computer (different motherboard, CPU, GPU, etc), or are you re-using parts from your current/old machine?

If you're re-using parts then you could use your old key with the reason being that you're upgrading your system. The way Microsoft's licensing works is that once registered that key is tied to the hardware IDs of your computer components. For example, if you try to use a key that was registered to an AMD system with integrated graphics on a machine with an Intel chip with a dedicated GPU, then it will flag your key as non-genuine.

Of course, you could just call Microsoft up when prompted and tell them your old system crashed. Though that's a very grey-area and not guaranteed to work.

Legally speaking, this might be a grey area. Practically, tripping WGA is not a big deal at all. The only thing they'll give a crap about when you call is whether you're trying to use the same key on more than one machine at the same time. They won't grill you, they don't have some secret hotline to the legal department, and half the time you don't even have to talk to anybody but the automated system.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:

Are CPU fans automatic, like do they automatically keep things at a certain temp by varying fan speed? I just put in an i5 3570K and a Hyper 212+, and they seem to peak at 50C playing BF3. Is this normal temperature?

They're not inherently automatic, but almost all modern hardware will do variable-speed fan control. You can usually set target temperatures and other parameters in BIOS/EFI setup; there may or may not be a bunch of other options depending on your motherboard manufacturer.

50C is a perfectly reasonable temperature under load. You might be able to push it a bit lower if you play with fan speed settings, but it's certainly nothing to worry about.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Alereon posted:

It's related to stealing cable, which is a very bad idea. It's probably in your best interest to rent the modem, that way Comcast will replace it if it dies, becomes obsolete, or just because you want to swap it for troubleshooting. There's also no chance they'll try to blame your equipment if you rent the modem.

At least around here, the modems Comcast rents out are pieces of poo poo. Sure, you can always get a new one when yours goes out - but it'll be a few days without internet while you wait for them to take care of it. The Surfboards, on the other hand, are nice and stable unless they're pushing ridiculous upstream power levels (and it's on Comcast to take care of signal issues at that point anyway). Unless you think you'll be burning through a modem every year, at $7/month it makes sense to buy your own.

As far as modding the modem goes, it uncaps the bandwidth. Even if you buy the top-tier plan, you're not going to get all the bandwidth the hardware's capable of; unrestricted DOCSIS 3.0 can usually do ~150 Mb/s down and ~100 Mb/s up. And, with a modded modem, you can get those speeds on any plan, even the cheapass barely-better-than-dialup service. The downside is that it's really easy for Comcast to spot someone who's taking up enough bandwidth to serve an entire neighborhood, and like Alereon says, they'll treat you just like anybody else who's stealing cable.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Jet Jaguar posted:

If a video card constantly gives a Code 10, replacing the drivers does nothing, and it limits itself to 640x480 with blue lines all over the screen, is it safe to say that it's joined the Choir Invisible?

Probably-dead card is an NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS, motherboard is Asus P5N-D with PCI-E 2.0. What would be a decent replacement card these days?

It's gone.

Lifetime warranties were pretty common back when the 8800GTS was a good card; you might want to check to see if you're still under warranty. Failing that, you'll run into a CPU bottleneck with higher-ed modern cards, but a Radeon 6770 would be a decent match. It's also the least expensive gaming card recommended in the stickied parts picking, system building, and upgrading megathread.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Mr. Giggles posted:

Hi guys. Im looking at buying a computer desktop from a friend-of-a-friend and am not incredibly knowledgeable about parts interactions or if I'm getting ripped off. Apologies if this is the wrong place to post. Anyways, I'm looking to get a PC that can do some gaming on modern games without catastrophic issues.

So, for 500 dollars here is the offering:
23" Acer LED LCD 1080p flat screen, HDMI cable, Logitech Speaker System with Subwoofer, Keyboard, Microsoft Wireless Mobile Mouse 3000, and 150Mbps Wireless 802.11b/g/n nano USB Adapter.
Windows 7 Home Premium, AMD Athlon II X3 3.3GHz, Sapphire Radeon HD 5830 1GB DDR5, 4GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM, 80GB HDD 7200RPM, 160GB HDD 5400RPM, CD-RW Drive, HDMI Out, AM3+ motherboard, and 600 watt power supply with turbo fan button.

Is there anything critical missing from this components list? How do I ensure when I go to look at it that it's not about to metaphorically fall apart? I know to check the wiring to see if it's wired well, but beyond that not much. Are there any programs I should bring on a flash drive to check computer integrity? Anything you guys could offer in terms of advice in this process would be much appreciated. Thanks

You might want to look in the stickied parts picking megathread.

I wouldn't buy that computer. It looks like something thrown together out of a parts drawer, and there are some significant issues. First of all, the "600 watt power supply with turbo fan button" is a huge red flag. Power supplies aren't glamorous, but they're important; a bad power supply can fry your whole system. It's critical to get a reliable power supply, which means going with a well-known brand; models from generic or no-name manufacturers can blow up under load or slowly drift out of spec and kill your hardware. A "turbo fan button" sounds like the kind of gimmick that cheap manufacturers like to put on their hardware, as well; you shouldn't ever have to worry about your PSU fan's speed.

The motherboard is another sticking point. Inexpensive motherboards aren't bad - but when you get into the range of crappy super-budget models from low-end manufacturers like ECS or whatever, you can get weird stability issues. If the only thing they tell you about it is that it's an "AM3+ motherboard," without any mention of the manufacturer or model number, you can bet it's cheap crap.

Past that, the hard drives are weird in a bad way. Nobody's made 80GB drives in forever, so that's probably used and coming to the end of its lifespan. And, then, it's paired with another drive that's probably ancient. Both of them will be slow, because the data density is pathetic in an age where 1TB drives are more or less standard, and 5400RPM rotational speeds are crap as well. Odds are they're parallel ATA drives, as well (the old standard for hard drive cabling), which isn't great.

The 5830 is old, wasn't an impressive performer when it was released, and (crucially, in combination with that mystery meat power supply) it runs hot and power-hungry. A CD-RW drive in this day and age is a loving joke. You can't even get retail Windows on a CD any more, and DVD burners are less than $20 shipped. Just based on the rest of the components, there's a good chance that copy of Windows is pirated.

Finally, "checking the wiring" isn't a great way to tell what's up. Ten minutes with some zip ties, and you too can make a pile of crap look respectable. If a prebuilt system has wires stuffed everywhere, that's a red flag for attention to detail in the rest of the build, but the reverse isn't true.

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grumperfish posted:

Don't bother with testing it. Crap no-name PSU, old slow processor, old mid-range videocard, ancient HDD, etc. Not worth the reliability question, and you can build a modern i3 PC for around that price that will run circles around it.

I definitely agree that it's a bad buy, but $500 is stretching it to get into a complete system with monitor, OS, and so forth. There's always the alternate option, though: find something cheap in the Dell outlet, stuff a low-midrange graphics card that doesn't need PCIe power in there, and go play.

Space Gopher fucked around with this message at May 9, 2012 around 17:11

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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regenwetter posted:

I just installed a Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition with an Arctic Cooling Alpine 64 Pro cooler, which is technically under-spec'd for this CPU as it is for TDP up to 90W -- this CPU is 125W but I was stupid and bought the cooler before realizing that. I searched around and found a number of people who have had success using this cooler with the 965 anyway, it just runs at max RPM pretty much all the time, but is supposedly "good enough".

Anyway, the system seems to work OK (posting from it now) but both BIOS and SpeedFan report a constant CPU temperature of 85C. It never changes, 85C all the time no matter what. Is this probably a broken sensor? It doesn't feel very hot if I hold my hand near the CPU/cooler.

Is there any reason you're not using the cooler that came with the processor? It's not a fancy high-performance unit, but then, neither is the Alpine 64.

If you want to read CPU temperatures, use HWMonitor and take a look at the temperatures coming straight off the CPU. BIOS usually reports from a less accurate sensor on the board rather than one inside the CPU, and Speedfan is old software that gets confused. Also, remember that hot air doesn't necessarily feel all that hot (you can put your hands in a 450 F oven just fine), and it's possible your heatsink just isn't moving heat off the processor and into the air well enough.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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My Spirit Otter posted:

I'm looking to buy a new cpu and I've landed on the AMD FX-4100 or the Phenom II x4 965 and I don't know enough about cpus to decide. They both seem to pretty pretty much the same thing and the Phenom is only 4 dollars more. I'm only using it for light gaming and web browsing, so any input would be greatly appreciated.

Why have you decided on those two? AMD's desktop offerings right now are absolutely terrible.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Biggest enjoyable human being Ever posted:

Probably doesn't want to be forced to upgrade his motherboard as well. I'd go with the FX-4100 since I noticed it has lower TDP.

It's also Bulldozer, which is a horrible disappointment of an architecture. It's so bad that Alereon has promised to give anyone who buys one a mocking custom title, in fact. My gut says "Phenom" but I'd get opinions from the parts picking thread.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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My Spirit Otter posted:

The computer I'm replacing the CPU in was running an am2 phenom. It got wet in the back of my truck so I'm replacing it with an am3+ board and was jut gonna go with the devil I know. It has some radeon card in it, but since I built it 3 years ago i can't remember the name. My price range is 200 but flexible. That being said I'm not going to be gaming all the time on it. Just games like empire total war, sc2 and d3.

If you're buying a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM, you have no reason to buy AMD. This is not a "better the devil you know" thing, because from an end-user standpoint, there are only two differences. The mounting system is a bit different, and the Intel options offer more performance per dollar across the board.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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The parts picking thread is probably the best place to ask that question.

I wouldn't trust that system. The "standard 650W power supply" looks like generic mystery meat which will probably blow up at less than half the rated draw. A 160GB platter drive reeks of the worst kind of cost-cutting, and will be slow just thanks to crappy data density. The fact that they can't consistently say whether the video card is a 5770 or a 6770 doesn't speak well to their attention to detail - yes, they're practically the same thing aside from some tiny BIOS-level tweaks, but I'd expect they could at least keep the webpage consistent.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Gothmog1065 posted:

Got an interesting one. My fiancee's wireless mouse wheel is inverted from a standard wheel. There's no settings in any of the logitech programs for it, I've even done the registry edit, nothing will revert the scroll wheel back to the way it was. Does anyone have any ideas?

e: The model is Logitech S520.

How does the mouse behave when you hook it up to another machine? What happens if you hook another mouse to the computer that's having the problem?

If the problem stays with the mouse, rather than the computer, crack it open and take a look at the optoencoder (a slotted wheel with two LED-photodiode pairs). If it's dirty, you can get weird behavior like that.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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In most cases, you want air to flow from the front to the back.

What kind of "760W power supply" did you buy? If it's a cheap eBay special, that could be the cause of a lot of your issues. And, even if it's a good brand name, eBay is home to a lot of counterfeit parts. It's not easy to fake a CPU, but counterfeit power supplies are easy. Just throw the guts of a $15 spark-spitter special in a case that says "Seasonic," and maybe a chunk of lead so the weight feels about right.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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spoon0042 posted:

I have a Core 2 Duo I'm trying to install in a new board, and I can't seem to get the fan/heatsink all the way in. The first two pins seem to be all the way in, but I've tried a dozen times with the other two and there's always a gap between the white and black parts of the pin, and I can bounce the heatsink up and down a bit. I'm afraid I'm going to break the board at this rate. Everything I've been able to find just says, push down, turn, easy. Am I correct in thinking it's not all the way in? Is there some trick to it I'm not getting?

Push down, don't turn. You turn the pins to release them. Twist them against the arrows, and then just push them straight in.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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enthe0s posted:

Not sure if this question goes here or not, just let me know where I should go and I'll move it.

I have an old ASUS N50Vn laptop that came preinstalled with Vista. However, I did a clean install of Win7 way back in 2009 a couple of months after I got it. This meant that I lost all my drivers, and at the time I wasn't so tech-savvy (Not saying much since I'm not that much better now either), but at the time I could not for the life of me figure out why I couldn't locate and install the drivers.

Anyways, now I'm giving that laptop to my sister since I just got a new one. I just did another clean install of Win7 for her so she wouldn't have all the junk I accumulated over the past 3 years. However, she likes to use Skype a lot, and a lack of drivers means that the camera shows her as upside down.

I did some searching since I'm a little more knowledgeable now. I learned about the ASUS Update utility a couple of months back and just now tried to update my BIOS, but it won't recognize it. After some Googling I've come to the conclusion that my BIOS is incompatible with Win7, which is why it's been impossible for me to install drivers. Is this actually a thing or am I being dumb?

This is not actually a thing. The only time Windows cares about the BIOS is at boot. If drivers aren't installing, it's because of a different problem.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:

Hm, what advantage would there be to using a RAM disk?

And is there a way to disable the integrated graphics?

If you need a small amount of very, very fast storage, and don't care about the "all your data is instantly gone" risk of power failure, a RAM disk is appropriate. Generally speaking, it's one of those "if you actually need it, you'll know" things, especially with the advent of reasonably priced consumer SSDs. Asrock's offering it because hey, if you blow a bunch of money on RAM you don't need, you might as well at least pretend to do something useful with it.

You can disable the integrated graphics in BIOS UEFI setup. You might as well just leave it, though. I sincerely doubt you'll ever miss that extra hundred megabytes, and integrated video can be handy if your video card dies.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Rotten Red Rod posted:

It's not so much that I need something to stop specifically video stuttering as I need a faster computer, and I was wondering offhand if there were any prebuilt ones people could recommend. I guess I'll look for an i5 that comes in a smaller case.

If it only needs to be "somewhat smaller" than a standard PC, Dell offers quite a few small-form-factor Optiplex systems. They're DisplayPort and VGA only, but the DP port is dual-mode, so you can use a cheap passive adapter cable.

If it needs to be as small as possible, I'd look at Boot Camping a Mac Mini. There used to be some prebuilt systems about the same size from other manufacturers, but these days it seems like your options are a low-performance Atom or Brazos barebones, or Apple.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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sirbeefalot posted:

I get an obvious input lag outputting to my TV over 25 feet of HDMI, though it's only an actual problem if I try to play a game (which I don't do on the TV, as a result). For movies and other stuff that doesn't require instant mouse feedback, though, it's fine. Quality is great, too.

That's a function of your TV's input processing, not the length of the cable. Signals travel down a wire at about the speed of light; at 25 feet, that means your cable is contributing about 0.000025 milliseconds of lag. Transmission delays are only perceptible to humans over distances that span a good fraction of a continent or an ocean. As a very rough rule of thumb, 1000 miles is 5 milliseconds.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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zenintrude posted:

Built a computer with two hard drives: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9axd

Both hard drives show up in the BIOS and during Windows Installation, but once Windows boots all I can see is the C drive (the SSD)... do I need to do something to make the other drive show up and be usable in Windows?

You'll need to partition and format the drive.

Start, right-click Computer, select Manage, go to Disk Mangement. You should see a physical disk with a bunch of unallocated space. Right click it, select "New Simple Volume," and follow the wizard.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Bob Morales posted:

What gam3r would have a floppy drive and IDE HD?

The important thing is to have the most features and the biggest "PRIMARY RIG SPECS" sig block. Who cares what they actually do?

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Red_Fred posted:

Today our wireless internet has been having problems. I have recently moved in to this flat so I'm not really sure of the background. I'm thinking it is probably conflicting with the huge number of other networks in the area as the flat is in a connected town house block thing. Do I just set the channel to a random one and hope it works better than auto or is there a better solution? Could it even be something else?

It's always possible that "wireless network problems" could be something else, but congestion is a major problem. On the 2.4 GHz band, channels 1, 6, and 11 are the only ones worth using; they're the only ones which don't overlap with each other.

The best solution is to switch to 802.11n and the 5 GHz band. There are more channels available, not as many people use it, and it's not as good at going through walls (which sounds like it would be a downside, but also helps keep out interference from three apartments over). Unfortunately, there are some downsides: a lot of smaller or cheaper devices like phones and low-end laptops are 2.4 only (if it says "b/g/n" then you're locked to 2.4; 5 GHz-capable devices will say "a/b/g/n"), and the equipment can be expensive.

If you're running a cheap or old router, you might also see some benefit to a 2.4 GHz 802.11n router with multiple antennas. Newer models can pull some electromagnetic wizardry that steers the signal to clients by manipulating the phase of signals. Look for something that advertises "2x2" or better. Plus, of course, signal processing keeps getting better. It won't work miracles - if you can see fifty strong networks from your home, you're probably just boned short of a move to 5 GHz - but it can help in marginal situations.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
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Dijon Vu posted:

I was given a "broken" 2008 HP Dv6 last year. I sysrestored it and had a free computer until a family member dropped it and broke the screen. I keep it hooked up to the tv now; it works, but one of the USB ports is noticeably bent sideways so that means the motherboard took some trauma at the least.

Should I buy a replacement screen for ~$200 and fix it, risking that something is otherwise wrong with the motherboard and set to fail as soon as I fix it, or just wait for it to die?

I'm leaning towards the latter.

It's a four year old example of a notoriously crappy series of laptops, with physical damage beyond the screen. You could buy a better used laptop with that $200, or a media box like a Boxee, Roku, WD TV Live, or Apple TV. Get some use out of it if you can, but don't spend anything keeping it alive.

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Jul 31, 2006
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Chewbacca Defense posted:

Is there a way to disable a laptops bui/lt /in /key/b/oard? Mi/ne /is hosed obviously/////

Why do you need to actually disable it, instead of just not using it?

Most laptops don't have a way to disable the keyboard, because it lets you paint yourself into a corner: with no keyboard, how would you re-enable it? If you need to take it out of the picture entirely, your best option is probably to open up the system and unplug it.

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Jul 31, 2006
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Pan Ache posted:

I'm looking for a program to verify hdd integrity before I transfer this disc to a new build.

If you want to check the filesystem, chkdsk.

If you want to see whether the drive is showing signs of failure, CrystalDiskInfo. But, if you've got some other reason to suspect it, treat it as dying no matter what CDI says. Not all drive failures show up in SMART statistics.

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Jul 31, 2006
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Install Gentoo posted:

All the other 600 series cards still have XP support. The 690 still has 32 bit Vista and 7 support. Presumably they expect that if you're buying a $1,299.95 graphics card you no longer use XP, but could still be using 32 bit Vista or 7.

The 690 is just two 680s on the same board. It's not supported under XP because it's SLI-on-a-stick, and Nvidia dropped SLI support on XP a while ago.

Shaocaholica posted:

Why? What are they running in XP because aren't all the cool new games and apps dropping XP support?

An installation key that starts with FCKGW.

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Jul 31, 2006
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Shaocaholica posted:

How is ripping off XP any easier than ripping off Vista or 7? Or are you saying that pirates are lazy to upgrade so vendors should support their laziness?

Volume licensed copies of XP don't require activation. If you have the image, and a key that hasn't been blacklisted in Windows Update, that's all you ever need. Vista and 7 have a much more involved activation process.

From the vendors' point of view, people with pirated copies of XP are still customers. Microsoft might not get their cut, but AMD and Nvidia get paid the same whether a GPU goes into a system with a licensed copy of 7, or a ~DaRkSyDe CoRp EdItIoN~.torrent copy of Windows XP. If the pirates, the "my precious rams!" people, the corporate users who think new software should be picked up on a five-year delay, and all the other holdouts add up to a big enough number to justify driver development, they'll keep developing drivers.

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Alereon posted:

MS should have never released 32-bit versions of Windows 7, or not allowed OEMs to preload them.

The alternative would have been to leave 32-bit-only netbooks (most of them) on XP Home.

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Stop worrying so much. It will be fine. Don't spill anything on it, don't let the table fall over, and if you have pets keep them out of the room. Dust is not a concern; it'd get dusty inside a case, too. The biggest problem is that it will look ugly as hell until you get it inside a case.

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Jul 31, 2006
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OK, first of all, what's wrong with this board? The support list looks like it has all the early AM2 Athlons. The storage controller on 785G boards wasn't great, but it does support AHCI and so on.

Cheap controller cards generally don't come with their own BIOS. That's typically reserved for the stuff on motherboards, and expensive high-end RAID cards.

What are you talking about with mini-PCIe storage controllers? If you're looking at the fun-size SSDs, those aren't actually mPCIe; the electrical signaling is SATA compliant and they just use the same form factor. If you're not, I have no idea what you're looking at.

Generally speaking, if you want anything better than "I'm trying to jam my system full of cheap hard drives because I compulsively click any link ending in .torrent like a rat that wants a pellet," avoid the cheap controllers.

Practically any dual-core Intel CPU on the market will be faster than your Athlon. Even the low-end Celeron/Pentium line would do better, and a modern i3 with hyperthreading would absolutely thrash it.

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Jul 31, 2006
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General_Failure posted:

Sorry. Saturday morning. Screwed a little nomenclature. I meant cards like these: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-PCI-...=item231e97cee8

Not trying to pack the computer with storage at all. I'm happy with the SSD. If I were after storage I could have bought a couple of TB of hard drive for less than the SSD cost. The SSD isn't even a speed thing, but I really do appreciate the speed nonetheless. Where I live now is murder on hard drives for reasons I can only speculate. Having a hard drive die every couple of months gets real old real fast.

Celerons aren't up to it with what I want. It's pretty much one of those speed vs. features things. My uses are pretty specific and I've been dodging intel for a while because of that. While I know this CPU isn't fast in modern terms, it has the features I want. It's like a tractor, whereas a Celeron is like a Honda. The Honda will win the race but it can't plough a field for poo poo.

I'm not flatly arguing against intel here, in spite of what it looks like. I've just never owned an intel based system that I've been happy with. I'd love to be shown otherwise.

I appreciate the link, however I forgot to say I'm in Australia. eBay is like pumping a nearly dry, stupidly expensive well these days so I'm left with aussie online stores.
I did see some cheap CPU / board combos on ebay though with intel chipsets. I might give them another look. I guess a crude rule of thumb if the CPU supports all the features in VirtualBox, and doesn't penalize the whole system when being heavily loaded with brutal single thread processes I'm happy.

If you buy most of your computer parts from ebay, I'd suspect your power supply in those hard drive failures. It's hard to counterfeit a motherboard, but power supply specs are based entirely on trust unless you've got an oscilloscope and test load. It's easy to jam low-grade crap internals into a case that says "Seasonic" (scrap steel weights optional) and sell them for a hugely inflated price. In any case, your power supply should take care of problems with the incoming electrical service, even if it sacrifices itself in the process.

Your "Honda versus tractor" comparison doesn't make any sense. For the most part, x86 code is x86 code. If you're talking about virtualization extensions, they're putting support for those into Atoms these days. Unless you're in an extreme edge case - like, say, you really need 3DNow! support for some ungodly reason - even a low-end modern CPU like a Celeron dual core will be faster. A Core i3, which is the standard Intel low-budget choice right now, will absolutely dominate your six-year-old Athlon, just like your Athlon 64 X2 was faster than any Pentium 3 or OG Athlon ever released.

I would be wary of buying computer parts on ebay. I know Australia gets hosed on parts pricing, and I'm sorry, but it's just too easy for shady dealers to feed you crap.

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General_Failure posted:

A couple of the failures were PSU related. I did end up getting an eBay PSU after all that. It wasn't sold to me under the pretense of anything. One thing I can say for it that even under severe load all the voltages stay steady so I'm happy with that. I could set up a load and attack it with my scope but couldn't be bothered.

It's not siz years old... but the board is and that's why it doesn't support it properly. It's not a whole lot newer than that though. I..um.. yes I have used 3DNow! support but it's something that isn't that common.

We get hosed on everything. It's an unfortunate truth. I'm actually watching a used CPU / board combo on eBay currently which while not cutting edge the board does support what I want, has enough address space too, plus I can't argue with a Phenom x4 9950 for the price. If it goes much higher I'll leave it and try to buy new a bit later maybe. I don't know. Considering I'm seeing people bidding on things like a 23?00+ and that's up over $50 and I also saw a friggin p90 starting at $45 I'm really starting to wonder if I can find an online store in the U.S. or something that doesn't surprise sex Aussies $100+ for surface mail because they can. See my AI rants about that poo poo.

There is a difference between CPU classes and their feel. just like there's a difference between ARM, MIPS and x86/x64. The different family members have it too. Some CPUs (and motherboard architectures) while fast under light load seem to hit a wall at some point. Others just seem kind of groggy and unresponsive, some (like this one) are fair all rounders but stay responsive under heavy load and don't hit that wall. My netbook which is Atom powered does really well with some things but falls flat at others. It's all really a choice of personal preference. Honestly if I could find an i3 at a decent price, or preferably but unrealistically an i7 or thereabouts I'd be all over that but the cut down CPUs like the Celerons and equivalent just don't fit my needs.

This "eBay computer" is what I call a transition computer. Generally every second computer is like that. I build a good one, use it for roughly 3 years until it self destructs then throw together something out of whatever parts still work and wha+t I can find on eBay. Invariably they kind of suck. This time I have the unique challenge of not having access to grey market imports at good prices like I used to so I'm at a severe disadvantage.

If I can figure out what does what I need then I can work from there. As it was the previous motherboard and peripherals did what I wanted. The replacement board pushed it back into borderline territory. The drop in data throughput for the hard drive and the subsequent failure too, plus the inferior chipset have taken it from a rock solid and reliable PC to patchy at best. If a computer locks up ever it's instantly in my bad list. This is on my bad list.

As I said, I'd be more than willing to swap to an intel chipset as long as it has the necessary virtualization features to protect the host and not cause a performance impact from emulation, and doesn't have cut down internals because that sort of thing is where it really counts. Features over speed. So as long as it has what i need, clock speed isn't that important because I'd rather slower but steady execution over erratic speed when unsupported features are emulated.

The voltages reported by your motherboard's monitoring hardware mean practically nothing. What kills hardware are millisecond-to-millisecond swings from cheap, overstressed SMPS hardware. Your ebay power supply was sold to you, at the bare minimum, under the "pretense" that the numbers on the label aren't blatant lies. If you have a scope handy, it would be a good idea to at least check up on it.

The last processor to carry the Athlon 64 X2 4000+ name was based on the Brisbane core, released at the end of 2006. That was just a die shrink of the original Windsor AM2+ core, which dates back to mid-2006. You might not have bought your processor six years ago, but it is a six year old design.

Your description of the "feel" of "different CPU classes" simply doesn't make sense. Yes, your Atom netbook feels slower at some tasks - that's just because it's a very slow processor. For the rest of the market, a baseline Celeron or Pentium dual-core has a feature set broadly similar to your Athlon, with a few extra years in the oven for the core logic and memory controller, and more cache per core. Higher-end processors are differentiated by clock speed and additional features - more cores, even more cache, hyperthreading, turbo mode, unlocked multipliers, better integrated graphics, and so forth. The core logic bits are the same. If your Athlon can do a thing, a modern processor can do it faster. Any difference in "feel" you've noticed can be chalked up to a combination of platform differences (which are admittedly kind of hard to untangle from the CPU proper) and the placebo effect.

I'm not really recommending that you buy a Celeron, although a Sandy Bridge model would be faster than what you've got. I'm trying to dissuade you from throwing good money after bad, here. You're spending money to chase down used parts with questionable history that weren't good performers or value for money when they were new, and you end up with a crappy system that hobbles along until the next stopgap. If your "good" computers consistently self destruct within three years, something is very wrong somewhere.

You sound a bit confused about how virtualization extensions work, but from an end-user standpoint, the virtualization extensions in basically all current Intel processors down to the crappiest single-core Celeron will work as well as or better than what's in your Athlon.

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Jul 31, 2006
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Shaocaholica posted:

Are there any PCs in a similar size as the current gen mac mini with similar specs?

Not really. If you want a small, basic computer, you can get barebones nettops, but they run Atoms and AMD E-series processors. There are also a few barebones systems that will take a low-wattage socketed Intel CPU, but they're significantly bigger than the Mini and generally take an external power brick.

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Jul 31, 2006
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unpronounceable posted:

I'd still go with a Dell outlet computer as Factory Factory suggested. The AMD FX series has less computational power than you'd expect, while consuming more power than you'd expect. Benchmarks for that specific processor are pretty rare, but I'd guess that an i3-2120, like you'd find in the Inspiron 620, would perform as well or better. Given how they don't mention its speed, I expect that the HDD is pretty slow too.

Bear in mind, I have a bias against Acer, but I'd still go with the Dell.

The FX "quad core" chips are actually two Bulldozer modules, which can be one core or two depending on how you look at them. From a very broad end-user perspective that completely fails to take all the huge implementation differences into account, it's a bit like hyperthreading: better than a single core, but not as fast as two truly independent cores.

And, yeah, there's no reason to spend $500 on that Acer when Dell's throwing outlet systems with similar performance out the door for less than $400.

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Snowy posted:

Thank you very much for the advice, I think we might get my GF an Inspiron 620 from the Dell outlet.

One follow up question- is there a preferred choice between scratch and dent, certified refurbished, or Dell outlet new?

I'd love to save a little extra money but not if it's much more likely to have problems, I'm not sure what their track record is with things like this.

Thanks again.

Scratch and dent are tested working, but have cosmetic problems that don't hurt functionality. Say, there might be a big scuff on the front bezel.

Certified refurbished are tested working, and have no serious cosmetic blemishes. They might have a little scratch somewhere where you probably won't see it day to day.

Dell outlet new are systems that were ordered but never actually left the box - clearance on an older model, the customer cancelled during production, somebody refused shipment on delivery, or whatever. They should be completely indistinguishable from new; the only difference is that the system's taken a few more airplane rides than normal.

All three carry a full same-as-new warranty.

Among the three, I'd probably go for certified refurb, especially if it's going to be a gift for somebody else. Any of them should be safe if you're only worried about functionality.

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