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angelicism posted:So I managed to find something similar to my job on salary.com and therefore have an average salary to work with. How do I deal with this in conversation? What do I say if they offer me something way below what I was expecting? Never bring up salary first. It's presumptuous, and making them bring it up gives you a negotiating edge. Try to have them mention a figure first, unless they simply won't do it. If it's well below what you were looking for, be polite, let them know you were looking for a higher figure, and tell them you'll think about it. Then the next day call them and say "I appreciate the offer and I am very interested in joining your company, but the salary is less than what I was looking for. Based on the demand for my skills, I was looking for $X. Is there any way you can bring your offer up to that figure?" Salary negotiation is tricky if you don't have other options. The best way to strengthen your negotiating position is to be able to walk away, and of course that isn't always easy. I gave some more salary negotiation advice earlier in the thread.
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OK, I've made it through the first round interview and am getting a phone interview with the Hiring Managers manager tomorrow. For background: They want to fill the position ASAP and actually held off on the decision until I returned from vacation for an interview. Interview went incredibly well and I'd be a good fit. Excellent company, great position with lots of opportunity. Now my question: They had me fill out an application, I filled everything out except my current and previous salaries, they are now hounding on getting these. Everything I've read is that this gives them an unfair advantage and they will lowball me. Thoughts on this, I can walk away from the job if need be. They also haven't given any kind of range for the position, but salary.com is given me a range that starts at 36% higher than my current salary. Any thoughts on my next steps, the application screams as well as the HR person and the hiring Manager all say that I must fill out salaries, gut and salary.com says hold off. Oh, I'm currently in a position, that while I like what I do and who I work with, it's a nowhere company with no more room for growth.
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Okay, here's my general one. I would tailor this to each job by adding/removing skills and experiences. G-unit Resume. I really hate objectives and profiles, so I didn't add one. I figure it's pretty obvious with my degree that I'm applying for the engineering job they posted.
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MarxCarl posted:
OK guys, listen to me. Salary negotiation is not like buying a used car where everyone is out to get you. No one wants to "lowball" you. In fact, that would do nothing except hurt the company that's hiring you since if you're not getting paid enough you will leave. They are hounding you for one of two reasons: 1. you left a box unfilled in and some HR person can't sleep at night because her form isn't right or 2. they will base your offer on prior pay rates. I know people don't like to hear that, but that's how it goes. If everyone else gets paid $50k for your job and you took a job at $35k, that is your mistake and you might end up paying for it down the road. The bottom line is if someone wants to hire you, money is NOT their main concern. Finding the right person is a lot harder than finding an extra $7k or whatever in the budget.
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I have two questions about resumes and semantics which are rather specific... 1. For a period of 12 months, I directly reported to a group of executives at a certain company, let's call it X. During this entire time I was in graduate school. For the first 4 months, I had a title of Planning Intern, and technically I was actually paid by the temporary services division of the parent company of X. To make the situation even more complicated, after the summer was over, in order to continue to work at X and still be under scholarship at school, I and the people at the company concocted a complex financial arrangement whereby X deposited money into a professor's research account, out of which it transferred to the University treasury and subsequently a stipend was paid to me. The reason for this arranagement was so that I could continue to work at X and have my tuition waived, as I was technically considered a Graduate Student Researcher, although I did no research (no, there was nothing wrong with this arrangement ethically; the University was fully aware of how it was structured). Now, on my resume, I have the entire 12 month experience listed under a heading that begins with Company X and lists my position as Planning Intern. I then describe all the work I did there under various groupings. Is this lying? 2. While I was in school, I was an appointed member of a school "council", which by its charter lists governance of the graduate school as its function. Now, obviously the words "governance" and "board" are interchangeable to anyone who knows how organizations run. On my resume I have written Graduate School Council and then below that I put on a bullet point, Board member of Graduate School. I'm simply trying to clarify what the "Council" is ... a group that acts as the school's governance. Is this lying?
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Small addendum about cover letters (I apologize if someone has already said this): In the first paragraph (the rule of three from the first page is good) when mentioning why you want to / would be a good match working at their company, show atleast a little passing knowledge of the company. "As a materials engineer I would be very happy to have a chance to work for the world leader in nickel super alloys", something like that. It shows that you care enough about the application that you atleast skimmed their website (which you always should, why apply for a job you haven't researched). Don't over do it, but show that you are interested in being a part of their company, not just looking for a paycheck where ever you can get it.
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MarxCarl posted:OK, I've made it through the first round interview and am getting a phone interview with the Hiring Managers manager tomorrow. Of course you want to avoid tying your potential offer to your past history. You might want to mention that one reason you are leaving your current position is because you have no where to grow and aren't being rewarded for your efforts. Say you want to be rewarded and recognized for your world, then ask them if its the sort of place you can expect that. If they really put your back against the wall, mention the older salaries, but be sure to mention you don't know how that helps them since the jobs are different. You may also want to consider including any benefits, as in if you may think you get 10k worth of benefits add that in, if you may think you are getting underpaid. Try to think of a bare bones amount, probably what you are making now, and then thinking of something that you think is the highest they could go. You always want to make sure they mention a salary range first, but if they make you,mention a range that is from your highest value to a middle value, never let them know your bottom. If they give you a range at first, or later, you may want to mention a range that is in the middle of theirs and then something thats a ways above theirs. Before you give them a range, when they may ask what you are looking for, go over the job requirements, ask them if you have it all right. Then ask them the range they think all that is worth considering your experience and skills. They may push for your range, so mentions yours there. Then do a bit more negotiating.
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I interviewed today for a job that I'm pretty certain that I got. He asked me about salary and I first started out by saying that I didn't want to eliminate myself from consideration by stating a number so I asked him to give me a range. What he did is say "we have a set range but it depends on what the person brings to the table." Uhhhh...yea. Basically, I didn't know what else to say after that so I gave him a number even though I didn't know really how much the position generally paid. He then informed me that that is on the low side of their range. If I do get offered the job, should I try to negotiate even though I went with that first number? It's an entry level job so I'm not sure how much higher I should really go anyways.
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I'm trying to get back into the UK job market and have re-written my CV from scratch. I'm still undecided as to what exactly will go under 'experience' but the basic look is this... The bold text is Employer, position and the bullet points are brief summaries of my duties in each job, if it wasn't clear. Is this too basic? Am I leaving anything out? As I add to the experiences part it'll probably spill onto a second page. The main problem I have is my work experience is pretty spotty. I didn't work when I was at university and I've been struggling with depression for the last few years that I'm only now being treated for, so I only worked a few weeks or months at a time at any one place. There's only so much I can write off as time spent traveling or whatever. Any UK based goons know a good way to overcome this sort of situation? I'm 25, so applying for entry level retail stuff is getting embarrassing, and I'm running out of temp agencies in town.
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This isn't really a resume question, but is more directed at HR people reading the thread. How many job changes can I make before I am considered a risk? I've read that companies view people who don't stay very long at jobs as job-hoppers and don't want to hire them. I am a recent college graduate. I worked at the same tech help desk for four years while I was at school. Then I graduated and didn't work for the summer following. After that I needed money so I got a secretarial/tech support job that I grew to hate. I did that for about three months and then quit. After a month of unemployment I found a much better phone tech support job and I have been here for about six months. This is a good job, but I have been informed that my division is going to be outsourced in about four months, so I'm looking for something new. Will I be considered a risk by the companies I apply to? Should I hang on for the last few months?
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Grifter posted:This isn't really a resume question, but is more directed at HR people reading the thread. How many job changes can I make before I am considered a risk? I've read that companies view people who don't stay very long at jobs as job-hoppers and don't want to hire them. It really depends. If your experience is good but your resume is jumpy you'll get calls finding out why you've been moving around so much. If you have good answers, it doesn't matter. I have a three year period with three jobs: downsized, downsized, downsizsed. I still get called and it doesn't matter. If your answers are: I dunno, I took the summer off to smoke weed, I got fired, that's another matter all together. There are no hard and fast answers to your question I'm afraid. Yes, jumpiness counts against you. No, it won't hurt you too much if you can explain it. For your particular situation, start looking now if you know you're going to be outsourced. You can even put that on your resume next to the employer (Job to be outsourced 12/06)
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psychicattack posted:For your particular situation, start looking now if you know you're going to be outsourced. You can even put that on your resume next to the employer (Job to be outsourced 12/06)
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Grifter posted:Another question: Are there introductory accounting jobs for people who don't have accounting degrees? I took Accounting 101 as a non-degree seeking student at the local state university, I've been teaching myself Quickbooks and I have piles of experience with Excel. Do I have a chance? You could get into accounts payable/receivable most likely. You won't get a staff accountant job without a degree or working your way up to one. Entry level accounting jobs aren't really fun. AP is mostly data entry, AR is a little more exciting. See what you can find. Also some places have accounting clerks which is really doing the grunt work for the accountants; data entry, filing, etc but again it's another way to work your way up.
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I hope this is not a derail, but I have an opposite question. Due to a strange turn of events, I accidentally happened to find myself in an interim/acting department manager position and I need to participate in interviews to hire people for my department. Had my first interview today and I don't think it went over well. I was too conscious of my lack of experience and instead of trying to assess the qualities/drawbacks of the person being interviewed, I was trying to get her to accept the job, which I guess is not really productive. Tell me - what kind of questions should I be asking? The way I look at it, there is a difference between asking "Are you able work nights?" and "Would you consider yourself a day/night person?" etc.
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Anyone have any opinions? I have to start passing it around tomorrow. Thanks.g-unit posted:Okay, here's my general one. I would tailor this to each job by adding/removing skills and experiences.
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I humbly request a look at my current resume. Next semester I'll start continue my studies at a 4-year college, seeking a BS in Computer Science, so I know I need to mention that, I just don't know exactly where or how. Maybe in the cover letter? I also need some advice on the "objectives" part, I know it sounds pretty vague and weak. Thanks! Link-> http://nicoyogui.googlepages.com/Ni...ileraResume.pdf *Edit: Tomorrow or the day after, I'm going to apply for an entry level position at Microsoft, and I want in! Alfajor fucked around with this message at Sep 11, 2006 around 23:53 |
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Tonton Macoute posted:Tell me - what kind of questions should I be asking? The way I look at it, there is a difference between asking "Are you able work nights?" and "Would you consider yourself a day/night person?" etc. Ok here's a quick way to interview. step 1: ask them to walk you through their resume/application. If they don't tell you ask them what they thought of each job and why they left. The goal is to find out exactly what they did, resumes don't really paint the whole picture. step 2: ask them to tell you what's important in their next job and why it's important to them. Try to get three things out of them. ...and that's really about it for run of the mill jobs. Based on your post it seems that the position you're hiring for isn't really complicated, so please correct me if I'm wrong. You can get into behavioral based interviewing and there are a million resources online for those sorts of questions to ask. If you want a couple just to see what they say, ask them things like "tell me about a time you felt you did an excellent job at xyz (tailor to what you're interviewing for)" or tell me about a time when you had to work as part of a team and there was a disagreement. That sort of crap. You're looking for situation, task, action they took and outcome. Those questions can be very telling, you'll get some really wacky answers. I'm sure I'm leaving out some basic things but I'm fried this evening. Anyone else have suggestions?
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g-unit posted:Anyone have any opinions? I have to start passing it around tomorrow. Thanks. Give a little more info about the classes you are taking, projects you are doing, etc. Also be clear when you expect to graduate, and when you will be able to start a job. Alfajor posted:I humbly request a look at my current resume. Next semester I'll start continue my studies at a 4-year college, seeking a BS in Computer Science, so I know I need to mention that, I just don't know exactly where or how. Maybe in the cover letter? Remove the logo, make your name and address and phone more standardized, lessen the whitespace, shift everything to the left, increase the right margin. I would remove the info about your high school, and add a line under the community college that says you're transferring to a 4 year school. You can probably get this down to one page. If you have to, dump the community involvement and awards, and merge the languages into skills.
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I recently had a face-to-face interview with a few people at a prospective company. After talking to my girlfriend about it she suggested I send Thank You notes to the people I talked to, just as another way to make an impact. Is this a normal occurance or is she the only person that does this? Also this is the gist of what I was informed would work well in said letters, what do you Resume/Interview Experts think of it? quote:Thank you for taking the time to meet with me on Friday. After learning more about the company and your needs I'm further convinced that I would be a good match for the web designer job and I look forward to discussing this opportuinity further.
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paperchaseguy posted:Remove the logo, make your name and address and phone more standardized, lessen the whitespace, shift everything to the left, increase the right margin. I would remove the info about your high school, and add a line under the community college that says you're transferring to a 4 year school. You can probably get this down to one page. If you have to, dump the community involvement and awards, and merge the languages into skills. Awesome, thank you  I'm proceeding to take the resume offline, to prevent any rapist goons from visiting me while I sleep 
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Is it generally a good idea to be out and about looking for jobs at 9:00am? Because as far as I can tell, a lot of places don't open to the public until like 10, and they get annoyed when you walk in the second they open their doors. And any time I'm contacted by people offering jobs/interviews/those annoying survey tests, they schedule me for later in the afternoon (1-3:00). So why does my family keep demanding I go earlier? What's the deal? I kinda figured showing up that friggin early would make a bad impression because it shows you're desperate and have no life or something. Also, for interview/test thingie: Heals or no heals? I'm pretty short (as in just barely 5') and look very young (22, and I'm often told I look 14), so I figure heals make me look longer and older. Should I leave em home, or are they ok in my case?
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real_scud posted:I recently had a face-to-face interview with a few people at a prospective company. After talking to my girlfriend about it she suggested I send Thank You notes to the people I talked to, just as another way to make an impact. Is this a normal occurance or is she the only person that does this? Oh God you should ALWAYS send a thank you note! Traditionally you should send a hand written note on a little card or something but honestly I've been going the email route because it's faster. I've heard do both but I haven't done that in a while.
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psychicattack posted:Oh God you should ALWAYS send a thank you note! Traditionally you should send a hand written note on a little card or something but honestly I've been going the email route because it's faster. I've heard do both but I haven't done that in a while.
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Ho0Ly posted:Is it generally a good idea to be out and about looking for jobs at 9:00am? Because as far as I can tell, a lot of places don't open to the public until like 10, and they get annoyed when you walk in the second they open their doors. And any time I'm contacted by people offering jobs/interviews/those annoying survey tests, they schedule me for later in the afternoon (1-3:00). So why does my family keep demanding I go earlier? What's the deal? I kinda figured showing up that friggin early would make a bad impression because it shows you're desperate and have no life or something. I think early is good as long as they're not busy. It shows that you're interested enough to make them your first priority. As for the shoes, I would wear whatever is professional and comfortable, heels should be OK. No red gently caress-me pumps of course.
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Ok so I just got done being lectured by my step mom about how I shouldn't "waste my time" applying for jobs online, and need to go out way early to apply in person. Of course this is after I got 3 job offers, all from places I either found out about, or applied online for. 1) Michael's. Found out about a job fair in August, went there, applied, got a call-back to take an ORION survey. Expecting to hear back within the week. 2) Radioshack. Applied online months ago, got called back and asked if I'd be willing to work at a different location than I had stated. Luckily I just moved to the location they were offering, so yay. Went there today to take a test type deal, which I have a good feeling about. Also met the store owner and managers, all of whome seemed pretty cool. Should hear back within a few days. And 3) some place called Vector that's near my sister's house that I applied for online THIS MORNING. They called me tonight to set up an interview (not a stupid test, an actual interview!  ) for Thursday.So much for her good advice 
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Uh just a word of warning Ho0ly, Vector is actually door-to-door sales of knives and possibly some other stuff. And they're always desperate for schmucks so I wouldn't really consider them a viable option.
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real_scud posted:Uh just a word of warning Ho0ly, Vector is actually door-to-door sales of knives and possibly some other stuff. And they're always desperate for schmucks so I wouldn't really consider them a viable option. How does that kind of thing work? Would I *have* to go door-to-door or could I basically sell the poo poo online and get credit that way? How do they keep track? Any other info about it? I guess the pay is pretty good (I believe she said the base pay is like $15.70), but if it's going to get me shot then gently caress it.
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Ho0Ly posted:How does that kind of thing work? Would I *have* to go door-to-door or could I basically sell the poo poo online and get credit that way? How do they keep track? Any other info about it? I guess the pay is pretty good (I believe she said the base pay is like $15.70), but if it's going to get me shot then gently caress it.
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I'm trying to get myself a new banking/mortgage job in the Chicago area. I've already sent out more resumes than I can keep track of, and I've only really gotten one response. So I thought I should put up my resume and see what help I can get on it. http://www.box.net/public/gy8peghn86 Here you go. Thanks a lot. NavalCasity fucked around with this message at Sep 13, 2006 around 16:03 |
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Ho0Ly posted:How does that kind of thing work? Would I *have* to go door-to-door or could I basically sell the poo poo online and get credit that way? How do they keep track? Any other info about it? I guess the pay is pretty good (I believe she said the base pay is like $15.70), but if it's going to get me shot then gently caress it.
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Does anyone have experience with applying to investment banking internships? Whilst applying for summer internships I've noticed they ask you to upload a CV. This is fine except my CV consists of my personal details, skills, education and previous employment details. With some of the banks they should already have those details as they ask them as part of the application process. Doesn't uploading my CV seem a bit redundant? For example one bank asks to give you details of your past education so I give them my GCSE and A-Level grades. All of this information is included in my CV so what are they looking for on my CV that isn't asked as part of the application. Am I missing the point somewhere? ntrik fucked around with this message at Sep 13, 2006 around 17:15 |
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I have rewritten my resume from scratch. I am applying for an accountant assistant position. Here is a link to my resume. Can someone look over it? I already noticed that I'm inconsistent with using periods in the skills profile section and I've fixed that error.
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real_scud posted:I recently had a face-to-face interview with a few people at a prospective company. After talking to my girlfriend about it she suggested I send Thank You notes to the people I talked to, just as another way to make an impact. Is this a normal occurance or is she the only person that does this? I've been recruiting for 2 years, and I've only ever recieved 1 hand written note, and after showing a bunch of people it was definetly a rare event. But definetly send an email note. You'd be surprised how many people don't. At one university I was recruiting at, I interviewed 12 people, and got 3 thank you emails - those three definetly got a much closer look when deciding on who to bring in for an on-site interview. Also, don't wait 2 weeks to send a thank you note. If the company is on the ball, the decisions have already been made. University recruiting just started, I've already seen some really poorly done resumes, make use of this thread. gninjagnome fucked around with this message at Sep 15, 2006 around 12:14 |
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I forgot to report back, but taking the advice in this thread, from my resume to my interview, I got a job at a major bank here in Australia. Special thanks to psychicattack!
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Grifter posted:[url=http://img.waffleimages.com/d9f3ea5a0bd0cc9d85a2d44d5e89d320dc7f588c/resume.PNG]  outsourcing Looks good to me. It's nice and concise, detailed and easy to read. The only potential issue I see is that the font might be a bit small, it's fine for me, but I'm not sure it would be for everyone. However, that might be something to do with the format/my display. LuckySevens: 
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NavalCasity posted:http://www.box.net/public/gy8peghn86 I'd consider a couple of changes. You really need months as well as years for your employment history. If I'm looking at your resume in December I have no idea if you have 4 years experience or 3 years experience which is a big difference. I'd also add dates for the various positions you've held at the same company. Again because I have no idea how long you were in each of those roles. Is the 1 after Customer Service Representative a typo or is it an industry term? Unless "quality scores" is a standard industry term that everyone will know I'd drop it. Without context all a "95% or better quality score" means to me is that you're likely to screw up 1 time in 20 and you're happy enough with that to admit it on your resume In context it might be a good thing though I don't know.I'd drop TGI Fridays, you have enough experience in the sector you're looking for work that it's irrelevant. It doesn't hurt to leave it, but it seems pretty pointless. The Waldenbooks one I think does have enough relevance. Redo your education section. Format it in a similar way to your job experience. As it is now it looks like you got bored towards the end of your resume and gave up! It might be worth considering a skills section if there are specific industry standard software packages you've used.
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ntrik posted:Am I missing the point somewhere? I really don't know. But redundancy of information and inneficiency in any business isn't really anything out of the ordinary. The application might be going to HR who select candidates for a department head to check. That department head might be stuck-in-their-way and not like application forms, prefering to see CVs. It could be anything.
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LuckySevens posted:I forgot to report back, but taking the advice in this thread, from my resume to my interview, I got a job at a major bank here in Australia. Special thanks to psychicattack! Congrats! Glad I could help.
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Hello Pity posted:
New question! The ad for the job I am applying for has a part that is making me . There is a list of requirements, which is normal. However, this is on that list and I have no idea how to respond to it. Should I address it in my cover letter? My resume? Help!quote:-- Achievement in any meaningful endeavor. This can be anything you want. Tell us something great.  does that even mean?!
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